Ign analyzes the GT5 trailer; says its real!

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#1 killa4lyfe
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Gran Turismo 5: Searching for Clues

Some interesting quotes:

Upon first glance the trailer might almost look too good to be real. I met with Kazunori Yamauchi at E3 to play the PSP version of Gran Turismo and the first thing that I asked him was if the GT5 trailer was real or not. He looked a little confused by the question and basically responded with, "of course it's real".

Of course, I had to search pretty hard for examples like this as the game looks absolutely incredible, and even these tiny issues may be fixed by the time the game ships, making it all the more closer to being flawless.


Thoughts?

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#2 dream431ca
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I need to see a gameplay video, not a trailer.

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#3 finesse-gamer
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if he specifically says the part where it shows the rally driver and the damage on the rally car is real, then wow. I just won't believe that part isn't CG until then.

could this be another Killzone 2 situation?

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#4 Fizzman
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Go to the GT5 page on PSN, and then you will have your answer. ITS NOT IN GAME.

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#5 ImSwordMan
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Your gonna need a more reliable souce than IGN to convince me :P

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#6 foxhound_fox
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Is IGN a representative of Sony Computer Entertainment Japan or Polyphony Digital?

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#7 Kahuna_1
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Its the replay mode. Take off some AA and it will look in game.

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#8 freakbabyblues-
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How do you know he didn't think the guy was asking if the trailer was imaginary or if it actually existed?
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#9 Vaasman
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Of course it's real........ replay footage.

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#10 Fizzman
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How do you know he didn't think the guy was asking if the trailer was imaginary or if it actually existed?freakbabyblues-

Thats exactly what i thought from the way he answered the question. It's not a lie in the fact that its a "real" video so naive people will actually think its gameplay if they just skim through the interview.

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#11 ActicEdge
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*Looks at thread title. Sees IGN. Leaves*

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#12 PBSnipes
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Sounds like a language barrier issue to me (ie Yamauchi took the question in the most literal sense, which would also explain his puzzled reaction), because it says it's a "concept" video right in GT5: P.

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#13 Camer999
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Anything is possible, probably in engine.

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*Looks at thread title. Sees IGN. Leaves*

ActicEdge

what's wrong with IGN? They are certainly better than everyone else.

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#15 killa4lyfe
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

*Looks at thread title. Sees IGN. Leaves*

Espada12

what's wrong with IGN? They are certainly better than everyone else.

i see ur not new to SW but just giving u the memo; apparently sometimes run down blogs are apparently better at times then some official websites...:|
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*Looks at thread title. Sees IGN. Leaves*

ActicEdge
IGN is as credible as they come.
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#17 shadow8585
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Difference between being real and in-game buddy. This has already been proven not to be in-game so just drop it
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#18 killa4lyfe
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Difference between being real and in-game buddy. This has already been proven not to be in-game so just drop itshadow8585
hey just saying it was interesting read, theres more than JUST talking about if the trailer was real or not.
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#19 Steakdinner
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I dont see where they "Analyzed" anything, they just "interviewed" someone who says its real. Misleading topic titles FTL.

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#20 bleehum
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I dont see where they "Analyzed" anything, they just "interviewed" someone who says its real. Misleading topic titles FTL.

Steakdinner
Uhhh, maybe you should click the link he provided....
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#21 Jrfanfreak88
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Thoughts?

killa4lyfe

There's some problems with their article. While the read is interesting, the part about NASCAR on page 3 is a bit false. First off, the guy says:

"Polyphony has gone out and licensed NASCAR for Gran Turismo 5, complete with the correct cars, sponsors and all that. One interesting bit about NASCAR is that the races feature way more cars than anything we've seen in Gran Turismo before, and unless the game can support 40-some-odd racers, it wouldn't be accurate. Polyphony is not a studio to not adhere to accuracy, so expect huge fields of cars this time, even if it's only in NASCAR races."

If you watch the trailer we see about 16 cars, which is what GT5P has. I have not seen any evidence of the field size being anything larger than 16. Am I saying I know for sure that GT5 won't have 43 car NASCAR fields? No, trust me I hope they do! But unless this guy has some inside info that is pure speculation at best. Secondly, while we do see some cars that are authentic to NASCAR there are actually only about 5 or 6 actual drivers on the track whereas the other 10 cars are of those same drivers but with different paint scheme. In other words, there might be 3 or 4 Dale Jr cars, 2 or 3 Jeff Gordon ones, etc. all racing at once based on what the trailer shows. Furthermore that I have no idea how Polyphony could fit all of the NASCAR tracks onto one disc. There's 22 different NASCAR tracks and while I would be giddy with joy for life I don't think PD is going to be including everything there is to include for NASCAR. I would guess that they are going to give us a taste of NASCAR but won't be able to include a full fledged NASCAR game into GT5.

Another problem I found on Page 3 was about Drag Racing:

"Now this could be a complete race track, but it's not very likely. In the following shot, you'll see two cars racing down what looks like an airport runway (which is very likely what it is). There's never been drag racing in a Gran Turismo game before, and while running the 0-60 times is cool, you've only ever been able to compare two cars' acceleration and quarter-mile by way of their leaderboard times. Here, it looks like you be able to go head-to-head with another car in proper form."

First off it appears that the track in question is the Top Gear track. It does feature a drag strip but they don't use it for timed races. GT5 might do that but who knows. Also, technically Drag Racing has been done before. They were going to do it in GT2 but they took it out which is why you can get dragsters but not 100% on the game (in North America at least). Other than those two things I think the article is interesting from a graphical standpoint and pre-rendered graphics vs in-game. I still wanna see some gameplay though, which I think will happen at TGS (where GT5P was revealed in 2007).

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#22 Steakdinner
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[QUOTE="Steakdinner"]

I dont see where they "Analyzed" anything, they just "interviewed" someone who says its real. Misleading topic titles FTL.

bleehum
Uhhh, maybe you should click the link he provided....

Lol well thats his job, to highlight the important part of his claim in his original post, I dont want to have to LOOK for it. :P
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#23 killa4lyfe
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[QUOTE="killa4lyfe"]


Thoughts?

Jrfanfreak88

There's some problems with their article. While the read is interesting, the part about NASCAR on page 3 is a bit false. First off, the guy says:

"Polyphony has gone out and licensed NASCAR for Gran Turismo 5, complete with the correct cars, sponsors and all that. One interesting bit about NASCAR is that the races feature way more cars than anything we've seen in Gran Turismo before, and unless the game can support 40-some-odd racers, it wouldn't be accurate. Polyphony is not a studio to not adhere to accuracy, so expect huge fields of cars this time, even if it's only in NASCAR races."

If you watch the trailer we see about 16 cars, which is what GT5P has. I have not seen any evidence of the field size being anything larger than 16. Am I saying I know for sure that GT5 won't have 43 car NASCAR fields? No, trust me I hope they do! But unless this guy has some inside info that is pure speculation at best. Secondly, while we do see some cars that are authentic to NASCAR there are actually only about 5 or 6 actual drivers on the track whereas the other 10 cars are of those same drivers but with different paint scheme. In other words, there might be 3 or 4 Dale Jr cars, 2 or 3 Jeff Gordon ones, etc. all racing at once based on what the trailer shows. Furthermore that I have no idea how Polyphony could fit all of the NASCAR tracks onto one disc. There's 22 different NASCAR tracks and while I would be giddy with joy for life I don't think PD is going to be including everything there is to include for NASCAR. I would guess that they are going to give us a taste of NASCAR but won't be able to include a full fledged NASCAR game into GT5.

Another problem I found on Page 3 was about Drag Racing:

"Now this could be a complete race track, but it's not very likely. In the following shot, you'll see two cars racing down what looks like an airport runway (which is very likely what it is). There's never been drag racing in a Gran Turismo game before, and while running the 0-60 times is cool, you've only ever been able to compare two cars' acceleration and quarter-mile by way of their leaderboard times. Here, it looks like you be able to go head-to-head with another car in proper form."

First off it appears that the track in question is the Top Gear track. It does feature a drag strip but they don't use it for timed races. GT5 might do that but who knows. Also, technically Drag Racing has been done before. They were going to do it in GT2 but they took it out which is why you can get dragsters but not 100% on the game (in North America at least). Other than those two things I think the article is interesting from a graphical standpoint and pre-rendered graphics vs in-game. I still wanna see some gameplay though, which I think will happen at TGS (where GT5P was revealed in 2007).

Good thing someone acctually knows how to read more than a paragraph :P It seems u have a wide knowledge on Nascar (saw ur sig too:P) but the part about how many cars there will be, I have to say that i think he is guessing how many cars will be there in the finished product but the trailer, like u said only shows about 16. I think its just speculation tbh. Lastly I think EVERY person who has a ps3 and likes racers wants to see some actual Gameplay footage of this beast. ;)

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Go to the GT5 page on PSN, and then you will have your answer. ITS NOT IN GAME.

Fizzman
Seriously? IGN isn't enough? It's in game, deal with it.
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#25 Jrfanfreak88
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Good thing someone acctually knows how to read more than a paragraph :P It seems u have a wide knowledge on Nascar (saw ur sig too:P) but the part about how many cars there will be, I have to say that i think he is guessing how many cars will be there in the finished product but the trailer, like u said only shows about 16. I think its just speculation tbh. Lastly I think EVERY person who has a ps3 and likes racers wants to see some actual Gameplay footage of this beast. ;)

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Yeah I mean it's hard defending GT5 when all I have to show for it is this trailer and GT5P which is soooo 2007 haha. I really hope that they have 43 cars, but even if they don't 16 will be a lot of fun. GT5P's online racing at Daytona is amazing, puts EA's NASCAR games to shame, so just being able to race against 11 (or maybe more?) guys online with the COT's at Daytona or Indy will be the best thing that's happened for NASCAR gamers since NASCAR Racing 2003 came out by Papyrus for PC.
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#26 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Go to the GT5 page on PSN, and then you will have your answer. ITS NOT IN GAME.

clubsammich91

Seriously? IGN isn't enough? It's in game, deal with it.

Please tell me you are joking right????

The developer of the game said that it wasnt in game, and im supposed to beieve its in game from IGN. Get a clue please.

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#27 bleehum
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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Go to the GT5 page on PSN, and then you will have your answer. ITS NOT IN GAME.

Fizzman

Seriously? IGN isn't enough? It's in game, deal with it.

Please tell me you are joking right????

The developer of the game said that it wasnt in game, and im supposed to beieve its in game from IGN. Get a clue please.

Link to the developer saying this, please.
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#28 VideoGameRosado
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I don't understand how some of you people refuse to believe this is real / in-game. I mean, C'mon look at killzone 2! Someone else said it, and I think we have ourselves another killzone situation. No one belived killzone 2 for the most part, and it's the same with GT5.

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#29 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"] Seriously? IGN isn't enough? It's in game, deal with it.bleehum

Please tell me you are joking right????

The developer of the game said that it wasnt in game, and im supposed to beieve its in game from IGN. Get a clue please.

Link to the developer saying this, please.

go to PSN, and look at GT5 E3 video, and it clearly states the video is a concept

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[QUOTE="bleehum"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Please tell me you are joking right????

The developer of the game said that it wasnt in game, and im supposed to beieve its in game from IGN. Get a clue please.

Fizzman

Link to the developer saying this, please.

go to PSN, and look at GT5 E3 video, and it clearly states the video is a concept

Oh, so you pulled the "The developer of the game said that it wasnt in game" out of no where. Just as I thought, as if that were the case the IGN article would have not been created.
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#31 Tobin09
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It's listen under concept video in prolouge. I think that about says it.

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#32 Fizzman
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[QUOTE="Fizzman"]

[QUOTE="bleehum"] Link to the developer saying this, please.bleehum

go to PSN, and look at GT5 E3 video, and it clearly states the video is a concept

Oh, so you pulled the "The developer of the game said that it wasnt in game" out of no where. Just as I thought, as if that were the case the IGN article would have not been created.

so the trailer for GT5 which was made by PD says right there in plain text its not in game, and i pulled that out of nowhere???? connect the dots, DEVELOPER MAKES TRAILER, Developer put in trailer its not in game, so therefore the developer stated its not in game.

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#33 clubsammich91
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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"][QUOTE="Fizzman"]

Go to the GT5 page on PSN, and then you will have your answer. ITS NOT IN GAME.

Fizzman

Seriously? IGN isn't enough? It's in game, deal with it.

Please tell me you are joking right????

The developer of the game said that it wasnt in game, and im supposed to beieve its in game from IGN. Get a clue please.

Well I went to the trailer and I saw no such thing. Dude just get over it,
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#34 bleehum
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Developer put in trailer its not in game Fizzman
Wrong, no where in the trailer does it mention whether or not it's in-game.
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#35 foxhound_fox
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IGN is as credible as they come.djsifer01

On a three point scale... with sites like GamePro on the bottom and Eurogamer on top, IGN falls in the middle. They aren't very credible but are not the worst.

Well I went to the trailer and I saw no such thing. Dude just get over it,clubsammich91

You just get over it. Its a target render, just like the E3 2005 Killzone 2 trailer.

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[QUOTE="djsifer01"]IGN is as credible as they come.foxhound_fox


On a three point scale... with sites like GamePro on the bottom and Eurogamer on top, IGN falls in the middle. They aren't very credible but are not the worst.

Well I went to the trailer and I saw no such thing. Dude just get over it,clubsammich91

You just get over it. Its a target render, just like the E3 2005 Killzone 2 trailer.

Where does it say that? If I'm wrong I can accept that. But I haven seen anything that said it wasn't in game.

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#37 foxhound_fox
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Where does it say that? If I'm wrong I can accept that. But I haven seen anything that said it wasn't in game.

clubsammich91


On the contrary, have you seen anything from either SCEJ or Polyphony that says it is in-game? Burden of proof lies with the affirmative. Until it is proven to be in-game, it will be taken as a target/concept render.

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#38 Brownesque
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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]

[QUOTE="djsifer01"]
On a three point scale... with sites like GamePro on the bottom and Eurogamer on top, IGN falls in the middle. They aren't very credible but are not the worst.

[QUOTE="clubsammich91"] Well I went to the trailer and I saw no such thing. Dude just get over it,clubsammich91


You just get over it. Its a target render, just like the E3 2005 Killzone 2 trailer.

Where does it say that? If I'm wrong I can accept that. But I haven seen anything that said it wasn't in game.

It doesn't, he's just assuming because it doesn't look like real gameplay footage. I'm on the side that is extremely suspicious but extremely hopeful. Compare PD's E3 presentation with Forza... Forza 3 was playable and we have an abundance of screens and gameplay videos.....whereas all we got from PD was a non-gameplay stage video. At the very least it's "photo mode" or "replay mode." It's not the same thing as the actual gameplay graphics. I doubt it's gameplay, but I don't know for sure.

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#39 clubsammich91
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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Where does it say that? If I'm wrong I can accept that. But I haven seen anything that said it wasn't in game.

foxhound_fox


On the contrary, have you seen anything from either SCEJ or Polyphony that says it is in-game? Burden of proof lies with the affirmative. Until it is proven to be in-game, it will be taken as a target/concept render.

Well there is IGNs word. But I will wait until the official word from Polyphony.

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The difference between that, and in game, will be very minimal. I fully believe this game will blow all others away visually.

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#41 EmperorSupreme
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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Where does it say that? If I'm wrong I can accept that. But I haven seen anything that said it wasn't in game.

foxhound_fox


On the contrary, have you seen anything from either SCEJ or Polyphony that says it is in-game? Burden of proof lies with the affirmative. Until it is proven to be in-game, it will be taken as a target/concept render.

I think foxhoud_fox is right on with this one. It's pretty much accepted that it's a target render. With that said I have no reason to doubt Polyphony Digital won't get really close or even surpass it. Everything they do is high quality and top notch and I see no reason to doubt them now.

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[QUOTE="clubsammich91"]Where does it say that? If I'm wrong I can accept that. But I haven seen anything that said it wasn't in game.

foxhound_fox


On the contrary, have you seen anything from either SCEJ or Polyphony that says it is in-game? Burden of proof lies with the affirmative. Until it is proven to be in-game, it will be taken as a target/concept render.

well obviously it's not in-game.

at the very least it's replay footage edited up with different camera angles to make the video more interesting.

if it's not CGI, then you have to give them props for making a damn good looking game though.