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http://wii.ign.com/articles/762/762567p1.html


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February 7, 2007 - Is Nintendo a kiddy company? If you're a fan of the Big N and have been paying even the slightest amount of attention to trends in gaming lately, you've heard this question come up countless times. On one hand you've got a company that got its beginnings over two decades ago, brought such famous titles to the world of gaming as Super Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. On the other hand, you've got games like Pokemon, Pikmin, and Wii Sports; titles that show off a much more age-friendly presentation. Sure these are amazing games - Pokemon is one of the most successful franchises in the history of gaming - but it's hard to be a hardcore Nintendo fan and constantly be bombarded with the perception that Nintendo isn't a company aimed at the "mature" or "hardcore" audience.

Obviously the company has been attempting to shake the image over the last few years. The Big N decided to shed the purple console plan, began creating games for players age 6 - 60, attempting to not only break down the barrier of the younger audience, but actually surpass Microsoft and Sony on the high end of the consumer age spectrum as well; and it seems to be working. In the world of handheld the DS Lite paved the way for more mature gaming, with titles like Brain Age and Big Brain leading the pack. On Wii, Nintendo's focus has carried out ten-fold, as families everywhere seem to be squatting in front of the ageless Wii console to create Mii characters, play Wii Sports, or surf for news and weather with intuitive cursor control. In short, Nintendo is broadening its horizons, and it's paying off.

But what about the actual numbers? It's one thing to talk marketing strategies, but it's a whole other achievement to actually see the market expand. With a primarily young line-up (in terms of ESRB rating), it looked as though the Wii's initial sell-through may in fact follow the GameCube's younger trends. What we found after compiling the first two months of sales, however, is a bit on the surprising side.

Listed below is a graph of total unit sales for the Wii during November and December, divided between ESRB ratings.

So what's it all mean? Well obviously Nintendo is hitting the Teen audience just fine so far, obviously with the help of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, followed by Red Steel. This info is no surprise to us, as we knew Zelda was in the lead for sales with Ubisoft's FPS following in a somewhat distant second place. What is interesting to note, however, are the actual numbers of titles available in each category. As far as ESRB ratings go for the current sales charts, there are 10 titles rated E, 12 games rated E 10+, eight T rated games, and only two M titles. T titles are outnumbered by both E and E 10+, and yet we're seeing more support from the Teen category.

Still, it isn't fair to tack up the overall success of T titles on Wii to only Zelda and Red Steel. T ratings are destroying the competition, with five out of the eight games selling into the six-digit range (those titles include Zelda, Red Steel, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, Call of Duty 3, and Trauma Center in order from most to least). The surprise, however, is that the E and E 10+ categories, which make up 22 of the 34 Wii games thus far, still don't add up to the amount of sales within those core eight teen-rated games. Throw in the two M titles (Far Cry and Splinter Cell), and the gap is closed only a bit more, still unable to surpass eight core Wii games.

In fact, a look at the average number of units sold per game in each ESRB also turns up similar results, though the numbers are skewed even more in favor of T rated titles.

Once again, the E 10+ category - which has the most saturation on shelves with 12 titles - is cut down in a huge way, while T rated games still push over 200,000 units per game on average. Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam - the highest selling E 10+ game - sits at just under 100,000 units, and even with games like Madden 07, Rayman, and Monkey Ball coming in at just a bit higher the E rating category still has a relatively weak amount of sales due to games like Happy Feet and Monster 4X4.

Obviously the Wii's lifecycle is only beginning, and it's anyone's guess how these numbers will evolve over the next months and years, but it's obvious that Wii owners want more than just E - E 10+ titles for their system. It should be noted that highly rated games such as Monkey Ball, Rayman, Zelda, and Madden have sold well regardless of rating, but that sales numbers show higher average sales in T rated games across the board.

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According to IGN, Nintendo is not 'kiddy'. In fact, Nintendo is even more 'mature' they make games for real adults, not just 30-year old gamers.

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#2 coreygames
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Agreed. A kiddy image is just a perception anyway, it is how one person views the maturity of another thing. So kiddy to one person is mature to another. Like model trains.
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#3 cakeorrdeath
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A games rating doesn't tell us who is buying it.

I buy teen games all the time and I'm not a teenager.
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Like i said before Nitendo is the only one out of all that owns the 'kiddie' market! Sonic, games especially sell well on Nintendo platforms. Nintendo basically appeals to everyone, kids teens, parents, seniors... they are the fun in gaming the best way to go this gen is simple, a 360 and wii.
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this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies
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[QUOTE="Gears360"]this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies

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Agreed. A kiddy image is just a perception anyway, it is how one person views the maturity of another thing. So kiddy to one person is mature to another. Like model trains.coreygames

Model Trains is actually a perfect example.

Some people think that making your own layout with the trains you collected is kiddy.

When in fact, it is one of the most prominant pasttimes for retired citizens!

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Saw this article this morning. I was wondering how long it would take to show up here. Doubt this will stop the "kiddy" nonsense though. Things like facts and rational reasoning don't go over well with fanboys.
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this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the TeletubbiesGears360

The first level of Mario 64 was a battlefield! 

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[QUOTE="Gears360"]this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies

Teletubies had suicidal/kamakazi walking bombs; giant, barking, vicious metal balls; corrupted monarchies; and lethal water cannons like the riot police have? Children's game my rear-end!
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[QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Gears360"]this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies

Teletubies had suicidal/kamakazi walking bombs; giant, barking, vicious metal balls; corrupted monarchies; and lethal water cannons like the riot police have? Children's game my rear-end!

LOL :lol: i've also heard that they are nazis cause they worship a blonde german baby in the form of a sun-god :lol:
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That article was a complete waste of time.  It was pointless and dumb.  :evil:
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[QUOTE="Gears360"]this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies



What T rated games have those characteristics?
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[QUOTE="Gears360"][QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Gears360"]this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies

Teletubies had suicidal/kamakazi walking bombs; giant, barking, vicious metal balls; corrupted monarchies; and lethal water cannons like the riot police have? Children's game my rear-end!

LOL :lol: i've also heard that they are nazis cause they worship a blonde german baby in the form of a sun-god :lol:

I was going to say something, but I was afraid it was going to be offensive. So I will replace it with this interpretive post: :evil:...:o...:cry:...:(...:)...:D...:lol:
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who cares about the rating? it says nothing about who actually buy and plays the games hell even my 7 years old cousin enjoyed playing RE4 like mad
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hell, even i still enjoy playing Super Mario 64 from time to time and im close to 30 years STILL THAT DOESNT MAKE THE GAME NOT KIDDY!!!!!! it is kiddy looking and always will be
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[QUOTE="Gears360"]hell, even i still enjoy playing Super Mario 64 from time to time and im close to 30 years STILL THAT DOESNT MAKE THE GAME NOT KIDDY!!!!!! it is kiddy looking and always will be

same with conker.
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if anything, shoooting bugs and wanting to be a badass is childish... i don't care. i play any game that has good gamelay. shooters, rpg, mario, zelda, hell i'd even play a barby game if it was good (okay... only if it was REAAAAAAlly good, in fact forget i ever said that.. gears woot).
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I just don't want a wii since I don't consider it a next gen console.
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#21 Articuno76
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So Nintendo's audience now hits mostly teenagers?
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[QUOTE="Gears360"]this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies

The content of most T rated games wouldn't fall under that description.
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[QUOTE="Gears360"][QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Gears360"]this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies

Teletubies had suicidal/kamakazi walking bombs; giant, barking, vicious metal balls; corrupted monarchies; and lethal water cannons like the riot police have? Children's game my rear-end!

LOL :lol: i've also heard that they are nazis cause they worship a blonde german baby in the form of a sun-god :lol:

wow, where'd that come from?
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#24 Articuno76
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[QUOTE="Gears360"]who cares about the rating? it says nothing about who actually buy and plays the games hell even my 7 years old cousin enjoyed playing RE4 like mad

That statement doesn't really swing the argument either way, in fact it would well be older than the graph suggests if that is the case. [QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Gears360"]who cares about the rating? it says nothing about who actually buy and plays the games hell even my 7 years old cousin enjoyed playing RE4 like mad

My 9 year old sister played GTA:SA all the time, "Buh Buh Buh teh maturity :cry:"

The same as above, it doesn't really swing the argument in any fixed direction, it just shakes things up.
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The problem with this graph is that there aren't enough GOOD games out for it to be worthwhile. Maybe, if they do that again this time next year, we'll see what the sales of different ESRB rated games really is.
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#26 cakeorrdeath
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The problem with this graph is that there aren't enough GOOD games out for it to be worthwhile. Maybe, if they do that again this time next year, we'll see what the sales of different ESRB rated games really is.Jandurin


Exactly. I think all the graph is showing is that currently the good games and the games with the most hype and advertising money happen to ne T rated.

If the current launch titles had been replaced by Mario, Pokemon and Mario Kart  then the graph would have shown E to be the dominant rating.

If it had been Res Evil a GTA game and Man Hunt then M would have been the dominant rating.


The whole article fails on the false assumption that ratings are having a significant effect on sales as opposed to the games themslves and advertising.
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I think the whole discussion of kiddyness is childish?
But hey, i'm not the one afraid to be called a kid ;)
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#28 foxhound_fox
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A games rating doesn't tell us who is buying it.

I buy teen games all the time and I'm not a teenager.
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Exactly. This article proves nothing... other than how many units of each rating sell...
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Wow, nice changes. When did you decide to do all this?
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Their chart is flawed.  We all know Nintendo makes great games.  Because the teen games sell the most (especially this early) doesn't really prove much.  This needs more time to chart properly.  Plus, it would be interesting to see this graph compared to a graph for what percentage of total game releases are in each category.  If 80 per cent of all games are E, despite the teen games selling best, that would certainly explain the kiddie image wouldn't it?
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Charts heavily influenced by a few Nintendo titles sliding into the Teen rating suddenly make them "not kiddy"? Give me a break. Since when has the ESRB, or for that matter ratings in general, decided what makes a game mature?

Mature games are NOT JUST about mature content rating, it's about the attitude a game is approached with, the audience the game plays to, and the understanding the designers have that they are creating games for an adult audience. When I look at a game like Twilight Princess I don't see a mature game - I fun game yes, but not a mature title. Are Link and Zelda in love? Is there any point in them even having a gender? From this games perspective, no. In fact, is Link even good? What makes him a hero, other than "oh well you're a hero and this other guy, this other guy? He's real bad"

Sorry, I just don't buy it. Even games that *try* to be mature on the Wii botch it. Red Steel? What's the point of a "good-evil" system if the game only rewards being good? "Oh, you can kill that guy with your sword, but karma will come and get you" - really? The SNES was a more mature system. At least Final Fantasy VI had a character like Kefka, a guy who was actually evil, a guy who wasn't just a blind "I'm super powerful and I'm the bad guy, okay?"

Or on the PS2 we have a title like Twisted Metal: Black, where we actually see the motivation behind a character entering into a tournament of vehicular carnage. There's a story, there's a character, and the game isn't afraid of making them a little bit too real. In the world of Nintendo first party titles, this doesn't happen - there is a vein of sugar-coated sappyness running through every title. Ash is never a slave-driver, beating his pokemon into shape. There's never an ethical question like "should I use steroids on my Pokemon?".

The only mature Nintendo game (we're talking games MADE BY Nintendo) I've ever seen is Metroid Prime - there's some actual explanation of why the bad guys are bad, why you're doing what you're doing - there's something *there* besides solid gameplay. I'm not trying to diss Nintendo, I own a 'cube, I enjoy their games, but they *aren't* catering to a mature audience.

Sorry, Nintendo has always been a bit kiddy, and they remain so to this day. It's who they are, and denying it is just ridiculous. Not every game *needs* to be mature - there's something nice about playing a videogame that's simply innocent. However, to pretend that the increased violence of Twilight Princess garnering a Teen rating, or that some ESRB decision on third party titles makes them a platform catering to mature gamers? Hardly.


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[QUOTE="Gears360"][QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Gears360"]this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies

Teletubies had suicidal/kamakazi walking bombs; giant, barking, vicious metal balls; corrupted monarchies; and lethal water cannons like the riot police have? Children's game my rear-end!

LOL :lol: i've also heard that they are nazis cause they worship a blonde german baby in the form of a sun-god :lol:

Mario 64 is colourful and kiddy looking, but this veneer masks incredible depth and extremely clever level design that can be enjoyed by the most hard-core of gamers. If you aren't confident enough in your manhood that you can't look past the aesthetic, then you are missing out on some fantastic gameplay!
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Their chart is flawed. We all know Nintendo makes great games. Because the teen games sell the most (especially this early) doesn't really prove much. This needs more time to chart properly. Plus, it would be interesting to see this graph compared to a graph for what percentage of total game releases are in each category. If 80 per cent of all games are E, despite the teen games selling best, that would certainly explain the kiddie image wouldn't it?ZIMdoom
Not really, I would infer from that, that Nintendo's demographic is shifting away from a largely e-rated market, that seems to be the common sense answer.

That is assuming you can infer anything at all from this graph.
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Wow, nice changes. When did you decide to do all this?coreygames


Thanks. I have had these sitting around for a while. I first used them back when I first got the game at the beginning of December. The Duke Nukem Forever one looked like crap anyways... right now I am working on a new SotC one... with some special Photoshop awesomeness thrown in...

Here is a sneak peak...

[spoiler]  [/spoiler]
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[QUOTE="coreygames"]Wow, nice changes. When did you decide to do all this?foxhound_fox


Thanks. I have had these sitting around for a while. I first used them back when I first got the game at the beginning of December. The Duke Nukem Forever one looked like crap anyways... right now I am working on a new SotC one... with some special Photoshop awesomeness thrown in...

Here is a sneak peak...

[spoiler]  [/spoiler]

Will it show up on your deviant? (Not that this is getting way off topic or anything)
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[QUOTE="Gears360"]who cares about the rating? it says nothing about who actually buy and plays the games hell even my 7 years old cousin enjoyed playing RE4 like mad

So then what is a "kiddy" system anyway? If 7 yr olds play gta and my little bro was playing halo 1 2 and PD64 then what is kiddy?
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#37 Japanese_Monk
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Their chart is flawed. We all know Nintendo makes great games. Because the teen games sell the most (especially this early) doesn't really prove much. This needs more time to chart properly. Plus, it would be interesting to see this graph compared to a graph for what percentage of total game releases are in each category. If 80 per cent of all games are E, despite the teen games selling best, that would certainly explain the kiddie image wouldn't it?ZIMdoom
Uhhh there were two charts. One addressed this.
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[QUOTE="Gears360"][QUOTE="coreygames"][QUOTE="Gears360"]this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies

Teletubies had suicidal/kamakazi walking bombs; giant, barking, vicious metal balls; corrupted monarchies; and lethal water cannons like the riot police have? Children's game my rear-end!

LOL :lol: i've also heard that they are nazis cause they worship a blonde german baby in the form of a sun-god :lol:

Yes, this coming from a 360 lover, and on the 360, I believe that there is a game called "Viva Pinata", where you raise imaginary, cute pinatas like Animal Crossing. The 360 can be called "kiddy" because of that game, but it doesn't deserve to be. Neither does Nintendo.
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Gears360"]this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies

conker.

Ownage approved :lol: This isn't really a fair comparison though. Bet you anything that if Zelda T.P. was rated E, then that catagory would be in the lead. However, ratings are just an afterthought when I buy my games. To me, at least, they don't matter at all.
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#40 Ontain
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A games rating doesn't tell us who is buying it.

I buy teen games all the time and I'm not a teenager.
cakeorrdeath
correct and pretty much all sports games are in the E group but they aren't kiddy just because they aren't T or M.
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#41 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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I don't have much respect for IGN.  I think they are a lousy review site.
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#42 jackassultima
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http://wii.ign.com/articles/762/762567p1.html


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February 7, 2007 - Is Nintendo a kiddy company? If you're a fan of the Big N and have been paying even the slightest amount of attention to trends in gaming lately, you've heard this question come up countless times. On one hand you've got a company that got its beginnings over two decades ago, brought such famous titles to the world of gaming as Super Mario, Zelda, and Metroid. On the other hand, you've got games like Pokemon, Pikmin, and Wii Sports; titles that show off a much more age-friendly presentation. Sure these are amazing games - Pokemon is one of the most successful franchises in the history of gaming - but it's hard to be a hardcore Nintendo fan and constantly be bombarded with the perception that Nintendo isn't a company aimed at the "mature" or "hardcore" audience.

Obviously the company has been attempting to shake the image over the last few years. The Big N decided to shed the purple console plan, began creating games for players age 6 - 60, attempting to not only break down the barrier of the younger audience, but actually surpass Microsoft and Sony on the high end of the consumer age spectrum as well; and it seems to be working. In the world of handheld the DS Lite paved the way for more mature gaming, with titles like Brain Age and Big Brain leading the pack. On Wii, Nintendo's focus has carried out ten-fold, as families everywhere seem to be squatting in front of the ageless Wii console to create Mii characters, play Wii Sports, or surf for news and weather with intuitive cursor control. In short, Nintendo is broadening its horizons, and it's paying off.

But what about the actual numbers? It's one thing to talk marketing strategies, but it's a whole other achievement to actually see the market expand. With a primarily young line-up (in terms of ESRB rating), it looked as though the Wii's initial sell-through may in fact follow the GameCube's younger trends. What we found after compiling the first two months of sales, however, is a bit on the surprising side.

Listed below is a graph of total unit sales for the Wii during November and December, divided between ESRB ratings.

So what's it all mean? Well obviously Nintendo is hitting the Teen audience just fine so far, obviously with the help of The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, followed by Red Steel. This info is no surprise to us, as we knew Zelda was in the lead for sales with Ubisoft's FPS following in a somewhat distant second place. What is interesting to note, however, are the actual numbers of titles available in each category. As far as ESRB ratings go for the current sales charts, there are 10 titles rated E, 12 games rated E 10+, eight T rated games, and only two M titles. T titles are outnumbered by both E and E 10+, and yet we're seeing more support from the Teen category.

Still, it isn't fair to tack up the overall success of T titles on Wii to only Zelda and Red Steel. T ratings are destroying the competition, with five out of the eight games selling into the six-digit range (those titles include Zelda, Red Steel, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance, Call of Duty 3, and Trauma Center in order from most to least). The surprise, however, is that the E and E 10+ categories, which make up 22 of the 34 Wii games thus far, still don't add up to the amount of sales within those core eight teen-rated games. Throw in the two M titles (Far Cry and Splinter Cell), and the gap is closed only a bit more, still unable to surpass eight core Wii games.

In fact, a look at the average number of units sold per game in each ESRB also turns up similar results, though the numbers are skewed even more in favor of T rated titles.

Once again, the E 10+ category - which has the most saturation on shelves with 12 titles - is cut down in a huge way, while T rated games still push over 200,000 units per game on average. Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam - the highest selling E 10+ game - sits at just under 100,000 units, and even with games like Madden 07, Rayman, and Monkey Ball coming in at just a bit higher the E rating category still has a relatively weak amount of sales due to games like Happy Feet and Monster 4X4.

Obviously the Wii's lifecycle is only beginning, and it's anyone's guess how these numbers will evolve over the next months and years, but it's obvious that Wii owners want more than just E - E 10+ titles for their system. It should be noted that highly rated games such as Monkey Ball, Rayman, Zelda, and Madden have sold well regardless of rating, but that sales numbers show higher average sales in T rated games across the board.

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According to IGN, Nintendo is not 'kiddy'. In fact, Nintendo is even more 'mature' they make games for real adults, not just 30-year old gamers.

Discuss.

Willy105

But a game intended for adults - say a puzzler that is really difficult but doesn't include violence or swearing - will get a low age rating, but it is not intended for kids.

RATING =/= TARGET AUDIENCE

STATISTICS FTW

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Only kids are afraid of looking like kids.
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#44 xBALOx
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Only kids are afraid of looking like kids.HeedleGlavin
wtf are u talking about? kids are ppl with low age(5-14) that usually play nintendo games xD
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[QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"]Only kids are afraid of looking like kids.xBALOx
wtf are u talking about? kids are ppl with low age(5-14) that usually play nintendo games xD

People with low age (as if you're talking about levels in a video game). Everyone plays Nintendo games. (Or has). And everyone plays games that were influenced by Nintendo, in some form or another.
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[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Gears360"]this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies

conker.

Conker is made by Rare... sheep.
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[QUOTE="Exodion_Death"] Conker is made by Rare... sheep.

Who owned Rare then?
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#49 Willy105
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[QUOTE="HeedleGlavin"]Only kids are afraid of looking like kids.xBALOx
wtf are u talking about? kids are ppl with low age(5-14) that usually play nintendo games xD

You know nothing about kids then.

People that age usually play Grand Theft Auto!

Kids that age haven't been playing Nintendo games simce the 90's. I know. I was a kid in the 90's.

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[QUOTE="Exodion_Death"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Gears360"]this guy dont understand it doesnt matter the rating of the games, its the characters and world, if its colorful, cartoonish like a tv cartoon for children and something similar looking to many infantile books, then IT IS KIDDY!!!!! for gods sake, the first level of mario 64 looks like the land of the Teletubbies

conker.

Conker is made by Rare... sheep.

Well done, you totally missed the point.