IGN podcast. The Wiimote - as good as a Keyboard and Mouse.

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#1 vengi
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At 32min into the Wii-kly review they claim that the Wiimote use in MOH:H2 is better then a normal mouse and Keyboard and that"only a gaming mouse can movefaster". I'm amainly a PCgamer so I find this hard-to-believe but very interesting.

Matt says that there is Nothing on the consoles that even comes close to it's control.

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#2 Tylendal
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Better than MP3?

Wow, I thought that was about as good as it got. :shock:

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#3 vengi
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Better than MP3?

Wow, I thought that was about as good as it got. :shock:

Tylendal

According to Matt it blows MP3's control away :-)

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#4 WeAreToast
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Hopefully, people don't call you out because Matt said this.
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#5 Tylendal
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

Better than MP3?

Wow, I thought that was about as good as it got. :shock:

vengi

According to Matt it blows MP3's control away :-)

This game is a must have. I don't care how low it gets rated, if it controls better than even MP3, than it's a must have. :|

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#6 mjarantilla
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Better than MP3?

Wow, I thought that was about as good as it got. :shock:

Tylendal

Even in expert config, MP3 was pretty loosey-goosey for my taste.

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#7 vengi
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Hopefully, people don't call you out because Matt said this.WeAreToast

Well, all four people on the pod cast agreed with it, and it was Jess that actually said that only a gaming mouse lets you turn faster then the Wiimote in MOH:H2.

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#8 vengi
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

Better than MP3?

Wow, I thought that was about as good as it got. :shock:

mjarantilla

Even in expert config, MP3 was pretty loosey-goosey for my taste.

Ditto, which is why this is such good news.

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#9 Cristallis
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[QUOTE="Tylendal"]

Better than MP3?

Wow, I thought that was about as good as it got. :shock:

mjarantilla

Even in expert config, MP3 was pretty loosey-goosey for my taste.

Why did your sheepness reduce 3%?

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#10 WeAreToast
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I may have to play this game to see how good the controls are. I'm keeping it to rental for now, though.
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#11 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

Better than MP3?

Wow, I thought that was about as good as it got. :shock:

Cristallis

Even in expert config, MP3 was pretty loosey-goosey for my taste.

Why did your sheepness reduce 3%?

My sheepness hasn't reduced. My sheepness PERCENTAGE has, since my hermitness percentage went up from 25%, while my lemmingness percentage went down to 23%. :P

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#12 Mu5uk0
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better than halo ds?
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#13 Terram
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Really? I never would of thought Captain creams-his-pants could get anymore excited with each new release.
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#14 groudyogre
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I think MP3 is a technical achievment in terms of controls. I think the only advantage the KB&M has over lockon/freeaim is that the crosshair stays in the centre of the screen so you can see what you are shooting easier. But yes, the controls are 10x better than ANY dualanalogue game.
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#15 Thompsonwhore
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What game are we talking about here?

And where can I find the address of this Matt?

I would like to see anyone play Counter-Strike or your FPS of choice with a Wiimote against someone with a keyboard and mouse.

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#16 XenoNinja
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A wiimote is perfect for FPS's because it makes gameplay more immersive. the keyboard & mouse is are a joke.
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#17 WeAreToast
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A wiimote is perfect for FPS's because it makes gameplay more immersive. the keyboard & mouse is are a joke.XenoNinja

This can only tell me that trouble may start to brew...

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#18 Thompsonwhore
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A wiimote is perfect for FPS's because it makes gameplay more immersive. the keyboard & mouse is are a joke.XenoNinja

Not this argument again.

If the Wiimote "immerses" you into the game more, then more power to you.

But I'm not the only person who will tell you that it's not the method of controlling a game that immerses me, it's the quality of the game itself. I'm plenty immersed into a game with a controller or a keyboard and mouse. I wouldn't play Counter-Strike for hours straight if it didn't.

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#19 XenoNinja
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[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]A wiimote is perfect for FPS's because it makes gameplay more immersive. the keyboard & mouse is are a joke.WeAreToast

This can only tell me that trouble may start to brew...

Well for me they are. using a keyboard & mouse is hardly putting yourself in the shoes of someone firing a gun. at least with the wiimote your pointing it at your targets in the same way someone does with a gun.

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#20 crispytheone88
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I'm going to step out on a very storng and sturdy limb and say no
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#21 Marka1700
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Depends on the game, I would say that when it comes to RTS.
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#22 _Pedro_
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[QUOTE="WeAreToast"]

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]A wiimote is perfect for FPS's because it makes gameplay more immersive. the keyboard & mouse is are a joke.XenoNinja

This can only tell me that trouble may start to brew...

Well for me they are. using a keyboard & mouse is hardly putting yourself in the shoes of someone firing a gun. at least with the wiimote your pointing it at your targets in the same way someone does with a gun.

Have you ever even fired a paintball gun before?

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#23 XenoNinja
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[QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="WeAreToast"]

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]A wiimote is perfect for FPS's because it makes gameplay more immersive. the keyboard & mouse is are a joke._Pedro_

This can only tell me that trouble may start to brew...

Well for me they are. using a keyboard & mouse is hardly putting yourself in the shoes of someone firing a gun. at least with the wiimote your pointing it at your targets in the same way someone does with a gun.

Have you ever even fired a paintball gun before?

Nope! not into that kiddy crap!

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#24 _Pedro_
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so okay, let me rephrase that. Have you ever fired a gun before?
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#25 XenoNinja
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so okay, let me rephrase that. Have you ever fired a gun before? _Pedro_

yes why?

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#26 _Pedro_
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[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]so okay, let me rephrase that. Have you ever fired a gun before? XenoNinja

yes why?

You are lieing, both the wiimote and the mouse feel nothing like a real gun and the same can be said for a mouse. They offer almost identical point and click experiences, because they both are motionsensing controls.

The true difference between them is how it's done in the games.

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#27 Always-Honest
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Hopefully, people don't call you out because Matt said this.WeAreToast

he's probably right. Matt is thrustworthy.

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#28 XenoNinja
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[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]so okay, let me rephrase that. Have you ever fired a gun before? _Pedro_

yes why?

You are lieing, both the wiimote and the mouse feel nothing like a real gun and the same can be said for a mouse. They offer almost identical point and click experiences, because they both are motionsensing controls.

The true difference between them is how it's done in the games.

I'm talking about pointing at your targets like with lightguns, except you don't have an analog stick with lightguns. so the Wiimote and analog are much more better for FPS's. it's much closer to mimicking firing a gun than a KB & M. a KB & M were not even made for FPS games, they weren't even made for games fullstop!

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#29 Thompsonwhore
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[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]so okay, let me rephrase that. Have you ever fired a gun before? XenoNinja

yes why?

You are lieing, both the wiimote and the mouse feel nothing like a real gun and the same can be said for a mouse. They offer almost identical point and click experiences, because they both are motionsensing controls.

The true difference between them is how it's done in the games.

I'm talking about pointing at your targets like with lightguns, except you don't have an analog stick with lightguns. so the Wiimote and analog are much more better for FPS's. it's much closer to mimicking firing a gun than a KB & M. a KB & M were not even made for FPS games, they weren't even made for games fullstop!

And TV remotes weren't made for playing games either. But here, today, we have the Wiimote.

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#30 XenoNinja
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[QUOTE="XenoNinja"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]so okay, let me rephrase that. Have you ever fired a gun before? Thompsonwhore

yes why?

You are lieing, both the wiimote and the mouse feel nothing like a real gun and the same can be said for a mouse. They offer almost identical point and click experiences, because they both are motionsensing controls.

The true difference between them is how it's done in the games.

I'm talking about pointing at your targets like with lightguns, except you don't have an analog stick with lightguns. so the Wiimote and analog are much more better for FPS's. it's much closer to mimicking firing a gun than a KB & M. a KB & M were not even made for FPS games, they weren't even made for games fullstop!

And TV remotes weren't made for playing games either. But here, today, we have the Wiimote.

At least the wiimote was made to fit the games unlike the keyboard and mouse.

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#31 mjarantilla
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[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"]so okay, let me rephrase that. Have you ever fired a gun before? _Pedro_

yes why?

You are lieing, both the wiimote and the mouse feel nothing like a real gun and the same can be said for a mouse. They offer almost identical point and click experiences, because they both are motionsensing controls.

The true difference between them is how it's done in the games.

I play paintball (I have my own tricked marker) and I've fired real guns of all kinds, and while the Wiimote is by no means a 100% simulation, it still feels a hell of a lot closer than KB&M or analog stick, because while you're not pointing directly at the target the way you would with a gun, you ARE physically pointing. It's only slightly more immersive than KB&M, but it's WAY faster in terms of acquiring and then lining up your target with the cursor.

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#32 Thompsonwhore
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At least the wiimote was made to fit the games unlike the keyboard and mouse.XenoNinja

What's wrong with the keyboard and mouse?

You know, as this discussion goes on, I'm under the impression you're a fakeboy.

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#33 XenoNinja
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[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]At least the wiimote was made to fit the games unlike the keyboard and mouse.Thompsonwhore

What's wrong with the keyboard and mouse?

You know, as this discussion goes on, I'm under the impression you're a fakeboy.

theres nothing wrong with a keyboard and mouse, I just think the Wiimote and analog are better suited for FPS's.

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#34 Thompsonwhore
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I play paintball (I have my own tricked marker) and I've fired real guns of all kinds, and while the Wiimote is by no means a 100% simulation, it still feels a hell of a lot closer than KB&M or analog stick, because while you're not pointing directly at the target the way you would with a gun, you ARE physically pointing. It's only slightly more immersive than KB&M, but it's WAY faster in terms of acquiring and then lining up your target with the cursor. mjarantilla

Faster? Have you seen videos of good players using a keyboard and mouse?

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#35 Thompsonwhore
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[QUOTE="Thompsonwhore"]

[QUOTE="XenoNinja"]At least the wiimote was made to fit the games unlike the keyboard and mouse.XenoNinja

What's wrong with the keyboard and mouse?

You know, as this discussion goes on, I'm under the impression you're a fakeboy.

theres nothing wrong with a keyboard and mouse, I just think the Wiimote and analog are better suited for FPS's.

Well, I guess we'll leave it at that then.

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#36 murat8
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the keyboard & mouse is are a joke.XenoNinja
I agree with you half way I hate using a keyboard for games but the mouse is almost perfect especially for shooters and RTS's
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#37 Hexagon_777
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So gamespot likes the 360, IGN likes the Wii...who likes the PS3? :cry:
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#38 Vampyronight
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The assertion that Wiimote is anywhere near the accuracy of kb/mouse= automatic self-ownage.

I'd recommend anyone who actually thinks that it's already close play MP3 without using lock-on. Pretty difficult...now imagine the enemies having competent AI. Yeesh, that wouldn't go over too well. Sure, the lock-on makes it easier to hit...but then you lose the "benefit" of being able to point, since the goal of the game is to keep your wrist still and pointing at the center of the screen.

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#39 OGTiago
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MP3 controls awesomely + the wiimote feels more like a gun than the mouse does = win!
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#40 _Pedro_
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mjarantilla.

The actual feeling of the wiimote in your hand moving and pointing. Is the same thing you do with the mouse moving and pointing. The only real difference is that in a way the mouse isn't directly pointing at your screen and the wiimote is. I still think that it comes down to the games and not the controls because they are roughfully equal.

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[QUOTE="WeAreToast"]Hopefully, people don't call you out because Matt said this.Always-Honest

he's probably right. Matt is thrustworthy.

Yeah remember halo DS. People called him a liar. He shut them up.
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#42 themagicbum9720
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what game are you talking about?
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#43 leegar88
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[QUOTE="vengi"][QUOTE="Tylendal"]

Better than MP3?

Wow, I thought that was about as good as it got. :shock:

Tylendal

According to Matt it blows MP3's control away :-)

This game is a must have. I don't care how low it gets rated, if it controls better than even MP3, than it's a must have. :|

Yeah I was shocked when I heard that, I can't wait for this game.

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#44 Weslii
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Thats pretty sick.
MP3 has perfect controlls already :D
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#45 Heil68
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What game?
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#46 Hitamaru-homia
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Is there a such thing as a "Gaming mouse"??? Keyboard+Mouse is only good for FPS,don't try playing metal Gear Solid 1 or 2 with a keyboard. ouch,or even Devil May cry. Controllers can do it all... but wii mote is no K+B.
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#47 Mr-GameCast
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What game?Heil68

medal of honor : heroes 2

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One man, one word; F4tal1ty
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#49 DA_B0MB
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Is there a such thing as a "Gaming mouse"??? Keyboard+Mouse is only good for FPS,don't try playing metal Gear Solid 1 or 2 with a keyboard. ouch,or even Devil May cry. Controllers can do it all... but wii mote is no K+B.Hitamaru-homia

KB/M is also hands down the best with RTS games.

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#50 PotatoSan
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I played MP3 for, maybe 5 minutes. The controls sucked to me. Had the game been interesting to me at all I might have played longer and realized I loved the controls, but the game didn't seem interesting to me at all.