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Yeah, they totally ruined her character. She is now three dimensional. Why does she have to be three dimensional? She's a girl!!!! Amirite?
I miss the good IGN.....
Willy105
The video from this link should've ended the thread right there.
could you give me the rundown of what other m did to samus? I keep hearing that they ruined her, but I don't know what they didohthemanateethey ruined by giving her a voice.
they ruined by giving her a voice.I would say that they gave her a voice, so much as they gave her the inability to stop talking.[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]could you give me the rundown of what other m did to samus? I keep hearing that they ruined her, but I don't know what they didTheShadowLord07
they ruined by giving her a voice.I would say that they gave her a voice, so much as they gave her the inability to stop talking.[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"]
[QUOTE="ohthemanatee"]could you give me the rundown of what other m did to samus? I keep hearing that they ruined her, but I don't know what they didVaasman
so she's like a chatter box? I never heard what she's like, but im not expecting good VA.
I always imagined her as an uptight british chick who is a cuthroat killerbobabanYou mean another Lara Croft or Cammy from Street Fighter? No thanks.
I see no problem what so ever with her being an emotional and caring (aka normal) woman that doesn't have to act like a stereotypical badass.
I would say that they gave her a voice, so much as they gave her the inability to stop talking.[QUOTE="Vaasman"]
[QUOTE="TheShadowLord07"] they ruined by giving her a voice.
TheShadowLord07
yea but fans cant take that stuff. I never heard what she's like, but im not expecting good VA.
It's better than most japanese developed games, but definitely not great. considering the game has something near 2 hours worth of cutscenes, it'll definitely start to test your patience.edit: and yes, she's a major chatter box.
could you give me the rundown of what other m did to samus? I keep hearing that they ruined her, but I don't know what they didohthemanatee
Basically, a bunch of fanboys are in a stink because Other M actually Samus character traits. Since most of these fanboys apparently thought of Samus as the female equivalent of this:
they were caught off guard when Nintendo had to gall to portray Samus as *gasp* a FLAWED CHARACTER!!
Japanese developers can't write good stories. Retro > Team Ninja.loco145
I thought it was nintendo who was doing the story for other m
I disagree with IGN about this but I must admit that the Samus of Other M isn't quite the Samus most envisioned, as in when she was in this GT Countdown -http://www.gametrailers.com/video/top-ten-gt-countdown/12352. I think the fact that post tramatic stress of the metroid dying answers a lot of it btw, especially since she was coldest in the prime games, which were prequels.
Please.......everyone wouldnt be saying it it it was not some what true, you are known to defend nintendo no matter what, so much that it may jade you own judgement.Yeah, they totally ruined her character. She is now three dimensional. Why does she have to be three dimensional? She's a girl!!!! Amirite?
I miss the good IGN.....
Willy105
[QUOTE="Willy105"]Please.......everyone wouldnt be saying it it it was not some what true, you are known to defend nintendo no matter what, so much that it may jade you own judgement.Yeah, they totally ruined her character. She is now three dimensional. Why does she have to be three dimensional? She's a girl!!!! Amirite?
I miss the good IGN.....
Advid-Gamer
Please......everyone is on two sides of this and the video brings up really good points.
I think Some Fans just wanted another Prime Game.
Please.......everyone wouldnt be saying it it it was not some what true, you are known to defend nintendo no matter what, so much that it may jade you own judgement.[QUOTE="Advid-Gamer"][QUOTE="Willy105"]
Yeah, they totally ruined her character. She is now three dimensional. Why does she have to be three dimensional? She's a girl!!!! Amirite?
I miss the good IGN.....
LegatoSkyheart
Please......everyone is on two sides of this and the video brings up really good points.
I think Some Fans just wanted another Prime Game.
Basically that. The hardcore fans just wan't another Prime game. But as you said, Other M seperated the "fans" from the fans.I thought that video was fantastic, and I totally share the same view points as it does (i.e my early posts) Very good find.
so she's like a chatter box? I never heard what she's like, but im not expecting good VA.
TheShadowLord07
You do hear her voice quite a bit, however, it's mostly through monologue. Samus really doesn't have a whole lot of dialogue, though, so I wouldn't call her a chatterbox at all.
I really don't think Samus's character was "killed" at all, just quite a bit more fleshed out than in the previous games.
oh, and as far as the authorization thing goes,
[spoiler] I find it interesting how hung up people get on the "Adam won't authorize the Varia suit for no good reason" thing, but don't bother to wonder why Samus didn't activate the Gravity suit before the Nightmare fight... [/spoiler]
Personally, I like to see both of those "issues" as her just enjoying the challenge like the badass she is.
That article seems to have forgotten that Metroid Fusion existed. You know, the game where Samus spends her entire time lost in thoughts about her old commander, and taking orders from the ship's computer? Actually, at a stretch, you could probably say that Super Metroid basically painted Samus as a caring mother figure, too.
As for all of the "sexist!" claims, how is 'Samus is basically a macho dude, only female' any better? I've heard feminists complain about how giving women masculine roles isn't really helping gender stereotypes either way.
Anyway, I didn't think Other M killed Samus' character, it just fleshed out what had already been hinted at in the series. The Ridley scene was a bit illogical, but everything else worked in my mind.
I thought Metroid Prime split the Metroid fans. I always read arguments over Metroid being better in 2D and saying it sucks in 3D.One thing's for Sure, Metroid Other M split the fans from "Fans" to Fans.
LegatoSkyheart
Samus sure as hell isn't a Ripley anymore. So much less.skrat_01
Actually, Samus's character in Other M is much closer to Ripley than the previous silent type incarnation of her.
As for all of the "sexist!" claims, how is 'Samus is basically a macho dude, only female' any better? I've heard feminists complain about how giving women masculine roles isn't really helping gender stereotypes either way.
Planeforger
This. We live in such a patriarchal society where we think for women to be equal, they have to act like men. Far, far from it. Sexual equality is about both sexes having the opportunity to life in equal amounts. It's not gender sameness.
I've always viewed Samus as the strong silent type who happened to be female.
Not the introspective - in the Japanese game style - type. That is what i found so jarring about it.
That projection is not bad, considering what the games offered us to work with before. Nor do i think it's anymore wrong for their to be a strong silent female type, then it is to see introspective whiny male protaganist either.
stereotypically speaking Japanese games have the whiney emo-ish introspective effeminate men, and possibly introspective or super giddy girls. like wise.. sterotypically speaking Western games have the brute footballer who is either silent or likes to backtalk. as far as females, well there are not a whole lot of females characters out there. Lara croft comes to mind, and while she was initially intended to be this way, she would become just a third person platform shooter who had some....nice assets....
If anything i'd of thought Samus to have been more like Lightning for FF13, if they were gonna go the introspective female route.
I'm not a fanboy of any console really. grew up on Nintendo, i mainly play on PS3 now. but i frankly feel like - after having played a bit of the game myself - that i'm seeing rationalizing the ok, or damage control. I fail to see that prior to "Young and Naive" trailer released anyone out there thought of Samus the way she - sometimes - comes off in the game.
and no i DO NOT THINK PEOPLE JUST WANTED ANOTHER PRIME. even 3 of the guys i know who have played through the new game loved the gameplay, just really disliked how Samus came off, as a character. people are not talking about FPS/platformer/shooter/whatever.
I think it dented her image among the fans, what this will mean for the future of Metroid i don't know. we'll see the NPD numbers later this month, and we'll have to see the response in buyers on the next - inevitble - Metroid game to know if the portrayal had any effect on fans at all.
The only part that destroyed Samus was with Ridley. All the other parts were okay. I also doubt that there will be another Other M type of Metoid game soon.
Cruse34
Considering Other M is the best game this gen, I would certainly hope they wouldn't just ignore the potential for a new installment.
[QUOTE="Willy105"]Please.......everyone wouldnt be saying it it it was not some what true, you are known to defend nintendo no matter what, so much that it may jade you own judgement. I do not defend Nintendo no matter what, but they definitely don't deserve the usual arguments against them.Yeah, they totally ruined her character. She is now three dimensional. Why does she have to be three dimensional? She's a girl!!!! Amirite?
I miss the good IGN.....
Advid-Gamer
Yeah, they totally ruined her character. She is now three dimensional. Why does she have to be three dimensional? She's a girl!!!! Amirite?
I miss the good IGN.....
Willy105
Completely agree, great find :)
He completely nails it.
I haven't played the game yet... but I am getting less and less interested in seeing the cutscenes. I am very much interested in playing the game, just not watching Samus contradict everything I've come to know about her. This seems like a very much "love/hate" situation, and people saying "oh you just need to accept it" can go express their absolutist opinions elsewhere. Some of us can disagree if we want.
Except we never really knew much about Samus as a character, which is why Other M fleshes her out. Fusion did the same to an extent. All other Metroid games dont give any insight to how Samus thinks.I haven't played the game yet... but I am getting less and less interested in seeing the cutscenes. I am very much interested in playing the game, just not watching Samus contradict everything I've come to know about her. This seems like a very much "love/hate" situation, and people saying "oh you just need to accept it" can go express their absolutist opinions elsewhere. Some of us can disagree if we want.
foxhound_fox
Have you played it?other M was terrible reguardless but i think shadow complex killed other M by being the better metroid game. samus was just one of the flaws in that game.
kobraka1
[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]
Well this isint IGN as a whole agreeing with this. This is 1 person who works there. Since the person who actually reviewed the game liked the way she was handeled. I personally also like how she was handeled.
Master_ShakeXXX
Yeah, and you also like how Ninja Theory is handling the new DmC. You truly are a... unique individual, finalfantasy... :?
Ummm.. Ninja Theory is NOT Team Ninja... The guys who make the new DmC are the ones who made Heavenly Sword for PS3, they're a small british company.. The guys who made Metroid Other M are the ones who made Ninja Gaiden & Dead Or Alive, which is a japanese company that is a part of Tecmo.
ALSO: On topic, the Samus in Metroid: Other M is basically the same she was in Metroid: Fusion for Gameboy Advance, and a lot like the one in Super Metroid for SNES. I can't believe people are complaining. This game is a lot more faithful to the originals on NES,SNES and Gameboy. Seems like some people don't even know the Metroid: Prime -trilogy is not the original Metroid-series.
Except we never really knew much about Samus as a character, which is why Other M fleshes her out. Fusion did the same to an extent. All other Metroid games dont give any insight to how Samus thinks.Scythes777
[QUOTE="Scythes777"]
Except we never really knew much about Samus as a character, which is why Other M fleshes her out. Fusion did the same to an extent. All other Metroid games dont give any insight to how Samus thinks.foxhound_fox
We knew a lot. Have you ever heard the phrase "90% of conversation is body language, only 10% is verbal"? Well, if we apply that to this situation, we can infer a lot from Samus' actions.
Such as the opening of Super Metroid, where she hands the baby metroid over to the Federation, with little concern as to what they would do to it (naivety to their intentions, optimism for the benefit of the galaxy). Or corollary to that, in Metroid II: Return of Samus, where she destroys every single last metroid on SR388, with little more than a soldiers repose (her brutal efficiency overpowers any possibility of her being concerned for them as life forms). Or in Metroid: Fusion where she directly states she "doesn't like taking orders" at the beginning of the game, and is only following the AI CO because the Federation paid for her new ship (with no mention of them saving her life from the X parasite).
Also, from the number of instances that she has interacted with Ridley (Metroid, Super Metroid [x2], Metroid Prime, Metroid Prime 3: Corruption [x2]) and defeated him, her reaction to his appearance in Other M is strikingly different. At no instance in any of the previous games does she "freeze" before him and then go on to kill him... no, she just goes straight to fighting. From this, we can infer that Sakamoto may be attempting to rewrite the entire canon of past Metroid games, or even retcon the entire series up until that point. The only instance where her reaction in Other M would be tenable, would be in the original Metroid (or Zero Mission, its remake, where there is a reaction of "surprise" at his arrival in ZM).
I can list more examples if you like. Samus only ever refers to Adam in Fusion as a "friend" and nothing more (having the idea that she has a "crush" on him, as I've heard is implied in Other M, goes against what she said in Fusion, which came chronologically after Other M). She respects him as more of a father figure than authority (as she never had a father growing up). Fusion is an absolute treasure trove of references, even with its scant dialogue. For instance ***mild spoiler*** when Samus finally realizes what the Federation are doing with the station, and the research they are doing, she gets really angry at the AI CO, and contradicts her orders outright (which she only follows loosely throughout the game anyways). ***spoiler end*** [spoiler] The Federation wanted to limit her ability to fight the SA-X once they learned its true potential (as a possible weapon), so they tried their best not to have Samus destroy it (because she knew it would be a threat to all life in the galaxy, and like always, she was more than willing to do whatever it takes to destroy it), and get her off the station (or contained within) before they arrived. But she thwarted all of it, and then realized that Adam of all people was the AI CO helping and directing her all along, and only with his help could she finish the job. [/spoiler]
Samus is a quiet character... but that doesn't mean we can't know a lot about her, and see how this contradicts her depiction in the newest game in the series. From all past games, it has been implied that she is a strong, cold, and ruthless killer on the outside, and deep down inside, there might just be a compassionate and caring woman always concerned about doing what she felt was right, no matter the cost to herself, or anyone else. Don't tell me the other games don't represent her character... because actions speak much louder than words.
Honestly, I think youre looking far too into it. Before Fusion, Metroid was all about gameplay first and foremost. Maybe the reason Samus never "froze up" when she saw Ridley in Metroid or SM was because the developers disnt care about fleshing out Samus as a character then, and just wanted to focus on gameplay. It was never shown how Samus reacted to the death of the baby metroid in SM, nor did SM show any regret in Samus delivering the baby Metroid to the federation. SM was never a story heavy game, hence why we never got to hear Samus' thoughts.
Now Sakamoto wanted to finally flesh out Samus as a character and make a different Metroid altogether. This is where Fusion and Other M come in. We finally learn how Samus thinks of her actions and past, which no other Metroid game has done.
And a reason why Samus froze up could be because "I was reliving the moments of my recent past." She obviously was very sensitive during Other M, I mean the whole baby dying right above her, seeing Adam again after who knows how long, and to top it all off Ridley who was supposed to be dead but makes a surprise return and comes out of nowhere. Also the Prime games may or may not be canon, so you cant exactly count those Ridley encounters. She had also seen Ridley in the beginning of Super Metroid and had most likely had Known Ridley was on Zebes during Metroid.
And one last thing about Adam, she just saw him as a father figure, as she says in Other M.
Anyways I could go on, but I really dont want to right now. Samus' actions are clear and logical in Other M regardless.
That woulda been awesome, especially if it was renegade shepard. So cheesy Arnold one-liners? That would be fairly awesome in Metroid.[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]Samus is supposed to act like female Shepard.Vaasman
[QUOTE="Vaasman"]That woulda been awesome, especially if it was renegade shepard. So cheesy Arnold one-liners? That would be fairly awesome in Metroid.I certainly woulda preferred that to the only one-liner in the whole game.[QUOTE="Parasomniac"]Samus is supposed to act like female Shepard.DarkLink77
"Mother, time to go!"
*barf*
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