I'm glad the Sony is whooping Microsoft and Nintendo this gen

I know this thread is going to attract a lot of negative attention, but I don't care. Like the title says I'm glad Sony is whooping both Microsoft and Nintendo this gen with the PS4. Why?

Because the sales of the PS4 proves that we don't want none of this fancy gimmicks, features and add on's that MS and Nintendo tried to force down our throats, Sony is showing the other two that gamers just want a powerful TRADITIONAL console with games. That is all. It seems MS is now getting the message due to where they are now(they finally dropped the Kinect and other things) and we'll see if Nintendo finally got it with the NX, but I hope so.

Yes the Wii was a gimmick and was successful. But the Wii is the exception, because to me it got lucky by releasing a gimmick in the right time frame to the casuals and plus you had the media hyping the Wii. But now casuals have long moved on from motion controls and heck console gaming in general. But more importantly those casuals that bought the Wii only played it for a month(Wii sports and thats it) and it went right into the closet. I know because my family did this. What I'm saying is that casuals are not loyal userbases that will continue to invest in the console.

At the end of the 7th gen both MS and Nintendo did not get that message at all and I'm sorry but it hurt them. Maybe now with the PS4 being an example, these two will focus more on us core gamers more with their new upcoming consoles. I really hope for Nintendo tho...

Or maybe it just shows that good advertising trumps bad advertising.

Many consumers had no idea the Wii U was a new system, and Microsoft flopped out the gates. That's what caused their problems.

I actually agree with the general sentiment.

Enjoy it mate. "We dont want yo fancy gameplay gimmicks. We want Cod, GTA and Madden played the same way we played it back in the early 90s!"

Boring! I got to play CoD on dual screen coop and off-screen play thanks to that gimmick, so suck it!

Sounds like something you should put in your diary.

I totally agree. I don't want shitty gimmicky ways to play my games, I just want to sit down and play my games with a controller or M/KB.

@quadknight: Thats what PS4 needs the most, a mouse and keyboard. Get with the times Sony, stop living in the past.

All snark aside, the problem was for MS is the fact that they didn't even bother listening to feedbacks that Kinect wasn't the future as MS tried to push it, not to mention it was so expensive to making it hard to justify Xbox One $500 price at launch and $500 was just too much for an under power console vs PS4 $400 price for a more powerful then Xbox One.

Wii U on the other hand, I think the game pad was a coo, feature, Nintendo did offer a traditional controller from the start after all but the Wii U's biggest problem was hardly any 3rd party games for it making it harder to buy a console just for exclusive only, that's the problem. The Name was also the problem cause nobody even knew what the Wii U was, everyone assume it was an add-on machine for Wii. I feel that MS totally screw up then Nintendo in my opinion.

As for PS4, Sony almost included the Camera but later decided to ditch it and not making it more expensive at launch to find that sweet price $400 and it show that Sony indeed listen to feedback.

If I wanted a KB/M, my PC is good for that but of course, I ended up getting an Xbox Elite Controller for my PC as well so with that, let's leave PS4 traditional controller were it's at. I like it like that :P

@davillain-: You mean the touch controller with built in Mic and a share button? Dont sound all that traditional to me. Sounds like an actually "true" gimmick.

Wtf is a share button? A gimmick. Wth is PS4 touch pad? A gimmick. Why are they gimmicks? Cause no one uses them for gameplay much. Thats the whole definition of a gimmick, something thats there but not really useful to the core ideal.

At least with Nintendo you will find many uses for the new features enhancing your gameplay experience. Nintendo dont make gimmicks, they pioneer gameplay innovations and implement them well.

What I find funny about the OP, was 'a traditional system with games'.. A Sony exec once said, "I don't know why people are buying ps4s".. Don't forget the motion controls built into the DS4.

@dotWithShoes: True, forgot about them.

The PS4 reveal/launch was going to sport the same gimmicks as MS with the camera and all the other BS. The difference is that Sony jump ship on those plans after the negative feedback MS recieved. The credit to Sony is reacting to the feedback. The con to MS its stubborness to feedback. With that said both companies are reacting feedback more than ever before. The Xbox One and the PS4 that are currently being marketed are gimmick free. I am not sure if this would remain the same with the next iteration of marginal upgrades that is coming soon. But its foolish to think that anyone of these companies are doing what is best for gaming/games. They are in the market of making money and part of that is pleasing gamers. If given the chance companies would screw gamers religiously, kind of like DLCs.

Citation needed.

For? If you are talking about the camera stuff.

I never use the share button before, despite I have lots of PSN friends. All I remember was that 3rd party didn't like the idea, so it never gotten to were it was popular. Other then the Wii wand, I never had a problem with all of Nintendo controllers, the wand wasn't my favorite to use.

It may need a citation, but it does appear that Sony had similar things in mind originally, especially when you look at the PlayStation 4 now. They let Microsoft go first for everything to one up them and it appears they had a fallback plan if what Microsoft did was met with heavy criticism.

Everything Microsoft revealed about their system, Sony revealed directly after pointing to their decision making being ham-stringed to whatever Microsoft did.

@davillain-: I actually try and use sharing on Nintendo. It works good cause we have play journals and can post to Miiverse. Im not against gimmicks, i like them. I just dont understand people pretending they dont have gimmicks. Xbox One controller is the least gimmicky out there, but i would love to have a Wii U Pro controller with Gyro on my PC.

Conference

Have fun watching. It was part of the controller reveal and since then Sony almost never talks about the camera. However, the PSVR is bringing back the gimmicks in full force.

I'm looking for a "all the other BS" citation.

They've had a camera since PS2.

I guess I agree....

There are only two ways I like to play video games: Keyboard and Mouse, or a Gamepad.

And I have my opinions on which control types work best with certain types of games.

I've never been playing Dark Souls and thought "Hey! I think I would rather be swinging my arm instead of pressing a button!".

There is one exception: Wii Bowling. Though I think that is only endeared to me because of a drinking game my friends and I came up with.

Then you did not watch the conference. MS Kinect features are available on the PS4. The reveal was showing Sony's method of accomplishing the same features but differently. The PSVR is going back to these features FULLTHROTTLE. As I have said, they abandon these features shortly after the reveal and is the reason why most gamers are not even aware that the PS4 can function is this way.

PSVR

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Before this gen started I was making posts on here saying this gen will mirror the ps2 gen in terms of sales, so far I think I'm right.

I thought you were referring to something else. Carry on, warrior.

They weren't going for a traditional console, if you look they all have the same peripherals in different forms with different advantages/disadvantages/emphasis.

It also isn't traditional in the sense that when you take a disc from the box and you just got the game you have to install a hugeass patch.

In fact Microsoft & Nintendo could play monkey with Sony:

all they have to do is announce something that seems cool and advanced and then they'll announce their own version.

• VR? Check
• Camera? Almost a Check
• Upgradeable Console that NX was heavily implied to be? Check
• A Kinect? Check
• A 3D TV that failed? Check

btw PSVR is going to fail you'd be surprised how many people don't want to wear an expensive plastic device over their face while they're playing a game. People also think VR technology hasn't advanced enough yet.

What did you think I was talking about then?

DRM

Oh. I feel both companies would try to sneak it in someway in the future. However, I was expecting MS to create an artificial shortage of physical disc to entice gamers to buy the digital versions but that didn't happen.

It would've been better for us price wise to have the DRM feature. It was an anti used disc measure that would've helped out developers make money because of the BS that goes on with used games. Gamestop gets the profits from used games, not the developer.

There may be other games but so far the only game I know that makes use of the touchpad in the PoS4 controller to a limited extent is KZSF.

@raugutcon: Thats exactly why im calling it a gimmick, it doesnt add much to the gameplay experience. Some games use it, but not much. Until Dawn uses it nice to flip pages in the documents.

Yeah totally because PSVR and PSneo aren't things. Oh wait....

Anything that limits ownership is completely anti-consumer. How anyone could ever support it is sickening.

PC gaming is also like that too, its not exclusive to that DRM policy.

Doesn't make it right...

And PC gaming is an open platform. You can buy games from many different places. It takes Sony and Microsoft six months to discount a game $10. It takes PC gaming 1 day to get a 50% discount.

PC gaming also doesn't have used games. Ring a bell?

You will never get reasonable sales in console gaming as long as used games exist. I mean come on guys.

How is a game used if the performance of the game doesn't change when you pass on the disc to someone else? Like it'd have to be scratched and one part of the game wouldn't work for it to be used. The only thing used about is is the box and the manual and the physical disc.

I must be nice....because when the NX is dominating gen 9you will remember this and be nice to me too

You'd probably see sales decline without the used market on consoles. People often discover new game series by being able to buy them cheap, rent them, or borrow them which can create lifelong fans. Take that away, and you remove a section of the industry that reduces the consumers risk when buying games.

Imagine you're thinking about getting into a new series, and your only option is to pay $60 for a digital copy of it. You think you'll take that risk? You'll probably just stick to tried-and-true game series that you know will deliver, and ignore the new game series.

Now imagine if you could borrow a friend's copy, or rent it from Red Box for $2. Tons of people piss away more than $2 every day. So you are willing to take that risk because it's only $2, and then you find you love the game, you go out and buy your own copy of the game, you plan to buy future games in the series, and support that developer. That developer wins because their game was available in a used format.

It works on PC because, as that other guy said, there's competition. Digital stores on PC strive to bring better prices, and better features/service because of competition.

SHAREPLAY is the most innovative feature of the gen, it beats trying to jump onto a quick market fad like mobile gaming- that worked wonders for nintendo.

its clear you havent spent much time with a ps4. the fact that you call a mic jack a gimmick. haha wtf. and like i said, shareplay is incredible. the fact that i can play a game with you like littlebigplanet 3 or rayman legends (entire playthrough) without you owning the game, on the other side of the world, is groundbreaking. Streaming is a huge thing- look at twitch, youtube, other popular apps and websites. sharefactory is so cool to, being able to edit and create videos to upload to my youtube channel on the fly from my ps4. its like having a minature adobe premier pro or final cut pro built into the system. its not everything, but its not bad for 400 dollars either.

i have a feeling shareplay and sharefactory will be something we see contiously branded with the playstation- in current upgrades or new consoles or whatever. we will see, and thats more that can be said about "wii motion" or "tablet controller gaming"- they cant be true innovation if they dont last, if wii motion was truly an innovation and not a short lived gimmick, it would have still been the successful focal point of nintendos next platforms....

But now Sony is going in on the worst gimmick of them all... VR :O

VR is def gonna make or break the PS4 and playstation brand. I honestly can see it going either way.

I love shareplay, i share all the time on Nintendo. I love the Mic gimmick too, its amazing in Star Fox Zero. Funny, aint VR using motion controls? Dont PS4 use Gyro? Viva la motion controls!

I had a better time last gen with the SONY's console, than Im having with the SONY's console this gen.

@senses_fail_06: Dirt Rally has been out on PC for a few weeks now and the lowest it's been besides the EA is like $10 off.

PC gamers glorify those discounts way too much.

Yes I know it's one example and it's one of many.

Just like there's some that do go down in price quicker. The fact is if the game is hot.....it doesn't go down in price ultra quickly like Hermits claim all games do.

sooo how is sharing to the miiverse on wii u any different than sharing to the communties, or to youtube, or to facebook on ps4? and ps4 gives you more options with sharing your content.

i dont consider VR to be in unison with PS4 as its going to be a separate device for a separate price- not bundled like the gamepad or kinect. I dont see many games on PS4 using motion controls or gyro controls, its def not the main point of control on the system. The only one ive played is Tearaway Unfolded, its done okay.

i agree with the sentiment but for completely different reasons.

last gen i think the wii diserved all the success it got and should have been even more successful (3rd parties and, to an extent, nintendo didnt really make the best of the wiimote and nunchuck. 3rd parties especially just hammered traditional controls onto an untraditional controller. but when it work boy did it work and it was new and fresh and exciting).

it was of paramount importance that the PS3 failed last gen (and fail it did...sony certainly wouldnt consider it a success). if the PS3 won then it would have signalled that its ok to use the gaming industry as a trojan horse for unrelated crap and just charge more for it. the cell had no business being in a games console. none...it was awful. blu-ray was a waste and led to installs and crap loading times. it just wasnt ready for gaming. the whole approach to the PS3 was rubbish and sony, rightfully, paid dearly for it.

this gen: well nintendo have had a catastrophic missfire. they have made this great second screen setup (its integration is second to none)....and maybe 2 games use it to any real extent. they had no plan...it offers no benefit or even anything interesting. so the wiiu doesnt diserve success.

MS: well it was important that those pre release plans were put to the sword very quickly and MS have already paid for that now. so already on the backfoot. then they released a console that was less power and more expensive than the PS4 and they backed kinect...something that didnt catch on last gen. like nintendo...they got it wrong.

sony got it spot on. theres no messing with the PS4..its an out and out gaming machine. the only complaint i have (and it applies to all modern consoles really) is the amount of ram reserved for the OS. but its dev friendly, reliable and offers the best value for money. sure i would love sony to try something interesting....but its never really been their strong suit. they more take an idea and try to improve on it (nothing wrong with that).

@jcrame10: Its not that its different, the point is its the same. I was poking fun at the button. Wii U does same thing and dont need a Share Button. VR is using Motion Controls. Motion controls are the future.