Im going to get flamed but did SMG2 deserve a 10?

Ok im not saying it doesnt deserve a 10 because it isnt good. I know the first one was good but that didnt get a 10 and they dont look very diffrent. Not bashing just curious on what is so diffrent to warrant a 10 because a 10 isnt something you give out very often. Regardless this game looks outstanding and may make me buy a Wii:D

1- Sticky

2- According to GS, it did.

wii 10 is the equivalent to 360 5.0

wii 10 is the equivalent to 360 5.0

farnham

Oh no he didnt

GS says so. No one else should know though.

Play it and see for yourself

I agree with your questioning. 10/10 means perfection to me. So this game must be perfect in what it sets out to be. Games shouldn't get a 10 unless its absolutely flawless, after it has been played thorougly, which is what GS is suggesting here. I guess we'll have to play it to see. But either way this will be fun, the first one was great.

None of us have played the game yet and also, use the sticky!~

People with an IQ of at least 85, even the most rabid fanboys, usually wait until the game is actually released before making threads like this one... You know, so they can say they've actually played the game at least, even if they haven't. It's just common sense.

this one incorporates things from ALL past mario games... music is more epic and some 2d retro in it.. yoshi..240individual stars this time.. other stuff too.

I'll give you an answer next week ok bud?

wii 10 is the equivalent to 360 5.0

farnham

360 10 = nonexistent, fact.

No game deserves 10.

No game deserves 10.

lordreaven

xbox 360 100is the equivalent to wii 0.5

farnham

Why not?siLVURcross

Because the Wii got one.

You obviously need more System Wars training.

No game deserves 10.

10 on any score means perfect, and as much i like some games, i will never give one a 10 (no game is perfetc). But i also believe we should use the full 1-10 scale, so most games that score a 9.0 on GS wouldbe a 7.5-8.5, 9 should be EXTREMLY hard to get. but then again GS would never use a feature.lordreaven

Kevin Van-Ord explained what a 10 on GameSpot means in the sticky.

Well that is silly. Just because a skyscraper is now the world's tallest doesn't mean that skyscrapers will no longer be built, and that no skyscraper will ever be taller. You can also refer to our description of what a 10 means on this site: "This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way." We acknowledge that a game may be bested one day, but based on everything that has existed to this point in time, we do not believe that Super Mario Galaxy 2 could have been meaningfully improved.

But gaming will not die because SMG2 is as close to perfect as it could have been reasonably expected to be. If I eat the most delicious meal I have ever eaten for dinner this evening, I will not stop eating, nor does that make it impossible for a meal to be made that is even more delicious one day.

The great thing about games is that developers will always be creating fresh ideas. For that, we should be grateful, because it means that there will be more amazing games to play in the future. But that doesn't detract from what SMG2 is right now. Check out the last three sentence of the review. They would seem to speak directly to you: "Super Mario Galaxy 2 is so phenomenal that it's difficult to imagine where Mario could possibly go in the future. But that's hardly your concern now. Mario proves that he is still the king of fun."Kevin-V

Enjoy.

Well it's easy to give Mario a 10. Those kind of "kiddie" entertainment sources are hard to nitpick and judge, hence why they always get high scores and ratings. It's the reason basically any decent Disney/Pixar cartoon or Zelda/Mario game gets extremely positive reviews, because there is nothing big to criticize in a child movie/game. I mean what exactly CAN you criticize? They are so simple and charming that they are basically immune to negativity.

So while it didn't necessarily deserve a 10, it just couldn't get anything lower lol. The way I see it, if anything new and innovative should get a 10, it might as well be SMG2. There is nothing to even criticize, as reviewers said, the game is "perfect" for the target audience it was made and it delivers on all the promises. It's the most "full" 10 this gen. GTA 4 and MGS 4 all had big flaws and negatives that were ignored. But SMG2 just has none, anything you can come up will just be a molecular nitpick. Like I said, child games are absolutely flawless when done right.

[QUOTE="siLVURcross"]Why not?LordQuorthon

Because the Wii got one.

You obviously need more System Wars training.

Havent played SMG2 yet...but i'm willing to bet it's more deserving of a 10 than MGS4.

MGS4 was Good,but highly overrated with a cheesy story that reminded me of someone's fan-fiction. if anything, MGS3 deserved that 10 more.

Wait, it got a 10? Wow! Good for the Wii!!! My dad just won a Wii a few weeks ago! When did this get scored, I haven't been on for... what a day? another AAAA? Awesome.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]10 on any score means perfect, and as much i like some games, i will never give one a 10 (no game is perfetc). But i also believe we should use the full 1-10 scale, so most games that score a 9.0 on GS wouldbe a 7.5-8.5, 9 should be EXTREMLY hard to get. but then again GS would never use a feature.Sky-

Kevin Van-Ord explained what a 10 on GameSpot means in the sticky.

Well that is silly. Just because a skyscraper is now the world's tallest doesn't mean that skyscrapers will no longer be built, and that no skyscraper will ever be taller. You can also refer to our description of what a 10 means on this site: "This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way." We acknowledge that a game may be bested one day, but based on everything that has existed to this point in time, we do not believe that Super Mario Galaxy 2 could have been meaningfully improved.

But gaming will not die because SMG2 is as close to perfect as it could have been reasonably expected to be. If I eat the most delicious meal I have ever eaten for dinner this evening, I will not stop eating, nor does that make it impossible for a meal to be made that is even more delicious one day.

The great thing about games is that developers will always be creating fresh ideas. For that, we should be grateful, because it means that there will be more amazing games to play in the future. But that doesn't detract from what SMG2 is right now. Check out the last three sentence of the review. They would seem to speak directly to you: "Super Mario Galaxy 2 is so phenomenal that it's difficult to imagine where Mario could possibly go in the future. But that's hardly your concern now. Mario proves that he is still the king of fun."Kevin-V

Enjoy.

[QUOTE="Sky-"]

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]10 on any score means perfect, and as much i like some games, i will never give one a 10 (no game is perfetc). But i also believe we should use the full 1-10 scale, so most games that score a 9.0 on GS wouldbe a 7.5-8.5, 9 should be EXTREMLY hard to get. but then again GS would never use a feature.lordreaven

Kevin Van-Ord explained what a 10 on GameSpot means in the sticky.

Well that is silly. Just because a skyscraper is now the world's tallest doesn't mean that skyscrapers will no longer be built, and that no skyscraper will ever be taller. You can also refer to our description of what a 10 means on this site: "This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way." We acknowledge that a game may be bested one day, but based on everything that has existed to this point in time, we do not believe that Super Mario Galaxy 2 could have been meaningfully improved.

But gaming will not die because SMG2 is as close to perfect as it could have been reasonably expected to be. If I eat the most delicious meal I have ever eaten for dinner this evening, I will not stop eating, nor does that make it impossible for a meal to be made that is even more delicious one day.

The great thing about games is that developers will always be creating fresh ideas. For that, we should be grateful, because it means that there will be more amazing games to play in the future. But that doesn't detract from what SMG2 is right now. Check out the last three sentence of the review. They would seem to speak directly to you: "Super Mario Galaxy 2 is so phenomenal that it's difficult to imagine where Mario could possibly go in the future. But that's hardly your concern now. Mario proves that he is still the king of fun."Kevin-V

Enjoy.

Your logic is so stupid it is hard for me to understand. If you wont give a game a 10 isnt it just a 1-9 scale? Which means 9 would be perfect but then you wouldnt give it that .

I see that, i disagree with Kevin on that merit, for if a game is close to perfect, why give it a 10 instead of the Fitting 9.5?

lordreaven

A 10 according to the criterion on GameSpot does not imply perfection, because perfection means that it can't be improved upon ever. A 10 on this site means that it was the best in its genre that it could be at the time and the reviewer could not think of any significant improvements that could be made to the game or things that made it bad at the time of release.

I'm not sure where you are pulling that 9.5 figure from, either. Understand that a 10 from this site is not given lightly.

This belongs in the Galaxy 2 sticky.

[QUOTE="Sky-"]

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]10 on any score means perfect, and as much i like some games, i will never give one a 10 (no game is perfetc). But i also believe we should use the full 1-10 scale, so most games that score a 9.0 on GS wouldbe a 7.5-8.5, 9 should be EXTREMLY hard to get. but then again GS would never use a feature.lordreaven

Kevin Van-Ord explained what a 10 on GameSpot means in the sticky.

Well that is silly. Just because a skyscraper is now the world's tallest doesn't mean that skyscrapers will no longer be built, and that no skyscraper will ever be taller. You can also refer to our description of what a 10 means on this site: "This exceedingly rare score refers to a game that is as perfect as a game can aspire to be at its time of release. Obviously, the constantly changing standards for technology and gameplay will probably make this game obsolete some day, but at its time of release, a game earning this score could not have been improved upon in any meaningful way." We acknowledge that a game may be bested one day, but based on everything that has existed to this point in time, we do not believe that Super Mario Galaxy 2 could have been meaningfully improved.

But gaming will not die because SMG2 is as close to perfect as it could have been reasonably expected to be. If I eat the most delicious meal I have ever eaten for dinner this evening, I will not stop eating, nor does that make it impossible for a meal to be made that is even more delicious one day.

The great thing about games is that developers will always be creating fresh ideas. For that, we should be grateful, because it means that there will be more amazing games to play in the future. But that doesn't detract from what SMG2 is right now. Check out the last three sentence of the review. They would seem to speak directly to you: "Super Mario Galaxy 2 is so phenomenal that it's difficult to imagine where Mario could possibly go in the future. But that's hardly your concern now. Mario proves that he is still the king of fun."Kevin-V

Enjoy.

Because that would mean there where flaws & faults the player could find that would warrant the .5 point deduction. Gamespot didn't give anything in the 'cons' section because they found no faults. The game is at the pinnacle of perfection of what critics expect from a platformer. If it was a superb platformer with an average camera or a poor finale etc, a 9.5 might be warranted.

[QUOTE="lordreaven"]

I see that, i disagree with Kevin on that merit, for if a game is close to perfect, why give it a 10 instead of the Fitting 9.5?

A 10 according to the criterion on GameSpot does not imply perfection, because perfection means that it can't be improved upon ever. A 10 on this site means that it was the best in its genre that it could be at the time and the reviewer could not think of any significant improvements that could be made to the game or things that made it bad at the time of release.

I'm not sure where you are pulling that 9.5 figure from, either. Understand that a 10 from this site is not given lightly.

[QUOTE="farnham"]

wii 10 is the equivalent to 360 5.0

gulfo

360 10 = nonexistent, fact.

Since we haven´t played the game we can´t really know,now can we?

Eh, glad to see the Wii get a good scoring game finally, just wish it was something other than Mario. Was never much of a fan of Mario, even in the NES days. Never thought there'd be a AAAAE on the Wii, let alone not being interested to play it if there ever was one... x_x;;

Here's hoping the next Zelda has just as much patience and originality put into it as SMG2 has.

[QUOTE="farnham"]

wii 10 is the equivalent to 360 5.0

gulfo

360 10 = nonexistent, fact.

It deserves it more than GTAIV.

but that's my opinion on the matter. But the fact that Gamespot has very little 10s means something.

[QUOTE="gulfo"]

[QUOTE="farnham"]

wii 10 is the equivalent to 360 5.0

dotWithShoes

360 10 = nonexistent, fact.

Perfect is a relative term, depending on how you want to define the word.

Nothing is absolute, everything is relative ;p

Near perfect = perfect, that's how I define it.

0.99999999999 translates to 1, accoording to my calculator. Illogical? Yes.

According to GS, as well as several other sources, it did deserve a perfect score.

This isn't locked yet? Amazing.

SMG didn't get a 10 because it is a 10. Just like Halo 3 and Uncharted 2. Somehow the word perfect relates to that number. But on a 20 point scale it shouldn't matter, because .5 is a big number. It's 5%. 10 isn't perfect because of the scale. 9.6-9.9 = 10.

SMG didn't get a 10 because it is a 10. Just like Halo 3 and Uncharted 2. Somehow the word perfect relates to that number. But on a 20 point scale it shouldn't matter, because .5 is a big number. It's 5%. 10 isn't perfect because of the scale. 9.6-9.9 = 10.

LOXO7

nonono, 9.9-10 = 10. You don't randomly round up to 10, it's a sacred number.

Also, after seeing SMG2, I now agree that SMG is 9.5.

Does it really matter? I say play it and come up with your own conclusion.

[QUOTE="LOXO7"]

SMG didn't get a 10 because it is a 10. Just like Halo 3 and Uncharted 2. Somehow the word perfect relates to that number. But on a 20 point scale it shouldn't matter, because .5 is a big number. It's 5%. 10 isn't perfect because of the scale. 9.6-9.9 = 10.

kontejner44

nonono, 9.9-10 = 10. You don't randomly round up to 10, it's a sacred number.

Also, after seeing SMG2, I now agree that SMG is 9.5.

has this entire forum turned into sheep? Over one game that looks to just what the first one did? Why not give ratchet and clank a crack in time the score then? It had spherical worlds and was fantastic. I just don't get what the appeal is over this? Nintendo first party games since after the snes just didn't appeal to me. I never liked 3d mario, I think red dead deserves more praise and mario is overshadowing it unfortunately.Midnightshade29

Ratchet and Clank: A Crack in Time is in NO WAY COMPAREABLE to Super Mario Galaxy.

[QUOTE="Midnightshade29"]has this entire forum turned into sheep? Over one game that looks to just what the first one did? Why not give ratchet and clank a crack in time the score then? It had spherical worlds and was fantastic. I just don't get what the appeal is over this? Nintendo first party games since after the snes just didn't appeal to me. I never liked 3d mario, I think red dead deserves more praise and mario is overshadowing it unfortunately.LegatoSkyheart

Ratchet and Clank: A Crack in Time is in NO WAY COMPAREABLE to Super Mario Galaxy.