I'm pretty sure that the next xbox system will be online distribution ONLY!

Blu Ray matters, sorry it does. While up until now multiplat games and even some exclusives didn't need to worry about it, but nowadays that extra room and power IS starting to show. Look at LA noire, 3 discs, while yes I agree that itisn't a hassle to switch discs, the fact remains that we are in 2011 and the PS3 doesn't need to do that. It will matter in the future too as developers want to make bigger games and products but they will have to find a way around the DVD issue, and the more discs they have to manufacture the more that the cost goes up. It's economics 101.

Basically the DVD life span and capabilities is seriously limited compared to Blu Ray, and with the costs of development increasing aswell as higher manufacturer costs, the DVD won't be around much longer. From my understanding, Sony owns the right sto Blu Ray and I doubt that MS will try and buy it. So the only option that I can see with the next Xbox is online distribution ONLY. They already have done this with some of their games too.

I also think MS will focus mostly on Kinect as well, but I don't know we will have to wait and see.

Too soon for a DD only console. Microsoft would be limiting themselves in a large degree--especially with bandwidth caps on some individuals, and the issue of not everyone having access to high-speed internet. DD is the future, but the future is not that soon.Stevo_the_gamer

Agreed.

It would have to be a mix, if anything, to remain competitive.

DD has no future on consoles becouse of used games. People like their games cheap and if the games were only sold through xbl then there would be no competition therefore steady high prices.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Too soon for a DD only console. Microsoft would be limiting themselves in a large degree--especially with bandwidth caps on some individuals, and the issue of not everyone having access to high-speed internet. DD is the future, but the future is not that soon.lundy86_4

Agreed.

It would have to be a mix, if anything, to remain competitive.

lol @ sony owning the rights to Blu-Ray so MS won't use it

DD has no future on consoles becouse of used games. People like their games cheap and if the games were only sold through xbl then there would be no competition therefore steady high prices.

rzepak

Indeed, I do believe they should flesh out their Games on Demand service to try to make it competitive with other markets like the PC one next generation. I think it would be a win-win if Microsoft did deals that we see on Impulse, Steam, and D2D--massive sales and what not.Stevo_the_gamer

That would be great to see. I refuse to buy DD for my consoles as I like to collect the games (unlike my PC, which is all DD), but if they do flesh out their GoD service, I may just switch.

I'm pretty sure that you are wrong.

Thats just silly, even if Sony did own the rights to BD (which they dont solely), not allowing MS to use BD in their next console would be a terrible move financially, just as bad as MS not allowing Sony to pre-install their Vaio laptops/desktops with Windows.

And your credibility on prove to me Xbox live is worth it...etc I used it...etc..etc is called into question even more.
and Sony doesn't own the rights to bluray by the way...

Blu Ray matters, sorry it does. While up until now multiplat games and even some exclusives didn't need to worry about it, but nowadays that extra room and power IS starting to show. Look at LA noire, 3 discs, while yes I agree that itisn't a hassle to switch discs, the fact remains that we are in 2011 and the PS3 doesn't need to do that. It will matter in the future too as developers want to make bigger games and products but they will have to find a way around the DVD issue, and the more discs they have to manufacture the more that the cost goes up. It's economics 101.

Basically the DVD life span and capabilities is seriously limited compared to Blu Ray, and with the costs of development increasing aswell as higher manufacturer costs, the DVD won't be around much longer. From my understanding, Sony owns the right sto Blu Ray and I doubt that MS will try and buy it. So the only option that I can see with the next Xbox is online distribution ONLY. They already have done this with some of their games too.

I also think MS will focus mostly on Kinect as well, but I don't know we will have to wait and see.

ShadowMoses900

And therein lies the flaw in your reasoning.

I'm not just sure, I'm HIV positive.

And your credibility on prove to me Xbox live is worth it...etc I used it...etc..etc is called into question even more.
and Sony doesn't own the rights to bluray by the way...

WilliamRLBaker

Nah dawg PSN is the far superior service along with Steam (whichhas digital distribution BTW)

and mabey I was wrong about the rights thing, because there are alot of other blu ray players that arn't made by Sony. But MS NEEDS to get blu ray asap then in order to compete nex gen, or go online only.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

And your credibility on prove to me Xbox live is worth it...etc I used it...etc..etc is called into question even more.
and Sony doesn't own the rights to bluray by the way...

ShadowMoses900

Nah dawg PSN is the far superior service along with Steam (whichhas digital distribution BTW)

and mabey I was wrong about the rights thing, because there are alot of other blu ray players that arn't made by Sony. But MS NEEDS to get blu ray asap then in order to compete nex gen, or go online only.

I agree, BD is the main reason PS3 is coming first this gen, so MS and Nintendo would be stupid to not use it next gen... oh wait !

[QUOTE="rzepak"]

DD has no future on consoles becouse of used games. People like their games cheap and if the games were only sold through xbl then there would be no competition therefore steady high prices.

Stevo_the_gamer

Read up on the subject of why games are not cheaper on DD servinces when compared to stores.

[QUOTE="Stevo_the_gamer"]Too soon for a DD only console. Microsoft would be limiting themselves in a large degree--especially with bandwidth caps on some individuals, and the issue of not everyone having access to high-speed internet. DD is the future, but the future is not that soon.lundy86_4

Agreed.

It would have to be a mix, if anything, to remain competitive.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

And your credibility on prove to me Xbox live is worth it...etc I used it...etc..etc is called into question even more.
and Sony doesn't own the rights to bluray by the way...

ShadowMoses900

Nah dawg PSN is the far superior service along with Steam (whichhas digital distribution BTW)

and mabey I was wrong about the rights thing, because there are alot of other blu ray players that arn't made by Sony. But MS NEEDS to get blu ray asap then in order to compete nex gen, or go online only.

lol psn is so inferior Sony has to give it away for free otherwise no one would buy it... *but that will change soon with online pass and then when they start charging for it* but as I said your credibilty is shot you've never use xbox live you created a free account and then gave the gamertag for an account that doesn't belong to you.

I do love how you've just said psn and steam have digital distribution and made out xbox live does not...*it infact has a more full feature catalog of downloadable digital distribution games then psn does which is just sad in its offerings*

if it did hardly anyone would buy it.

i know i wouldn't.

ms will pay the fees and have a bd player in it.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

And your credibility on prove to me Xbox live is worth it...etc I used it...etc..etc is called into question even more.
and Sony doesn't own the rights to bluray by the way...

WilliamRLBaker

Nah dawg PSN is the far superior service along with Steam (whichhas digital distribution BTW)

and mabey I was wrong about the rights thing, because there are alot of other blu ray players that arn't made by Sony. But MS NEEDS to get blu ray asap then in order to compete nex gen, or go online only.

lol psn is so inferior Sony has to give it away for free otherwise no one would buy it... *but that will change soon with online pass and then when they start charging for it* but as I said your credibilty is shot you've never use xbox live you created a free account and then gave the gamertag for an account that doesn't belong to you.

I do love how you've just said psn and steam have digital distribution and made out xbox live does not...*it infact has a more full feature catalog of downloadable digital distribution games then psn does which is just sad in its offerings*

Nah man it's the other way around you see Live is the infeior service, in fact it's the worst online console service besides the Wii. Online pass is trying to rubused game retailers out of business, but hey you know what, at least I don't have to pay twice for a product I just got and can use all my features for for free. Live is like bottled water, it's being sold by shysters. P2P servers with ads, whoohoo, party chat whoohoo, I sure love giving MS my hard earned money whoohoo. I am so hardcore.

And I don't know why you would think that I would lie about my Live accounts, I have 2 because there are other people in my household. It makes sense, well actually it doesn't when I can get as many accounts as I want for FREE on Steam and PSN, both of which are WAY better than Live, which is drastically inferior.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Nah dawg PSN is the far superior service along with Steam (whichhas digital distribution BTW)

and mabey I was wrong about the rights thing, because there are alot of other blu ray players that arn't made by Sony. But MS NEEDS to get blu ray asap then in order to compete nex gen, or go online only.

ShadowMoses900

lol psn is so inferior Sony has to give it away for free otherwise no one would buy it... *but that will change soon with online pass and then when they start charging for it* but as I said your credibilty is shot you've never use xbox live you created a free account and then gave the gamertag for an account that doesn't belong to you.

I do love how you've just said psn and steam have digital distribution and made out xbox live does not...*it infact has a more full feature catalog of downloadable digital distribution games then psn does which is just sad in its offerings*

Nah man it's the other way around you see Live is the infeior service, in fact it's the worst online console service besides the Wii. Online pass is trying to rubused game retailers out of business, but hey you know what, at least I don't have to pay twice for a product I just got and can use all my features for for free. Live is like bottled water, it's being sold by shysters. P2P servers with ads, whoohoo, party chat whoohoo, I sure love giving MS my hard earned money whoohoo. I am so hardcore.

And I don't know why you would think that I would lie about my Live accounts, I have 2 because there are other people in my household. It makes sense, well actually it doesn't when I can get as many accounts as I want for FREE on Steam and PSN, both of which are WAY better than Live, which is drastically inferior.

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Nah dawg PSN is the far superior service along with Steam (whichhas digital distribution BTW)

and mabey I was wrong about the rights thing, because there are alot of other blu ray players that arn't made by Sony. But MS NEEDS to get blu ray asap then in order to compete nex gen, or go online only.

ShadowMoses900

lol psn is so inferior Sony has to give it away for free otherwise no one would buy it... *but that will change soon with online pass and then when they start charging for it* but as I said your credibilty is shot you've never use xbox live you created a free account and then gave the gamertag for an account that doesn't belong to you.

I do love how you've just said psn and steam have digital distribution and made out xbox live does not...*it infact has a more full feature catalog of downloadable digital distribution games then psn does which is just sad in its offerings*

Nah man it's the other way around you see Live is the infeior service, in fact it's the worst online console service besides the Wii. Online pass is trying to rubused game retailers out of business, but hey you know what, at least I don't have to pay twice for a product I just got and can use all my features for for free. Live is like bottled water, it's being sold by shysters. P2P servers with ads, whoohoo, party chat whoohoo, I sure love giving MS my hard earned money whoohoo. I am so hardcore.

And I don't know why you would think that I would lie about my Live accounts, I have 2 because there are other people in my household. It makes sense, well actually it doesn't when I can get as many accounts as I want for FREE on Steam and PSN, both of which are WAY better than Live, which is drastically inferior.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

lol psn is so inferior Sony has to give it away for free otherwise no one would buy it... *but that will change soon with online pass and then when they start charging for it* but as I said your credibilty is shot you've never use xbox live you created a free account and then gave the gamertag for an account that doesn't belong to you.

I do love how you've just said psn and steam have digital distribution and made out xbox live does not...*it infact has a more full feature catalog of downloadable digital distribution games then psn does which is just sad in its offerings*

Vinegar_Strokes

Nah man it's the other way around you see Live is the infeior service, in fact it's the worst online console service besides the Wii. Online pass is trying to rubused game retailers out of business, but hey you know what, at least I don't have to pay twice for a product I just got and can use all my features for for free. Live is like bottled water, it's being sold by shysters. P2P servers with ads, whoohoo, party chat whoohoo, I sure love giving MS my hard earned money whoohoo. I am so hardcore.

And I don't know why you would think that I would lie about my Live accounts, I have 2 because there are other people in my household. It makes sense, well actually it doesn't when I can get as many accounts as I want for FREE on Steam and PSN, both of which are WAY better than Live, which is drastically inferior.

I can name a bucnh, for starters there are more dedicated servers for 1st party games on PSN and the communtiy is much more mature. Also it has home (which I never use because I think it's stupid) but it's still something that live doesn't have, and psn has a FAR better dashboard where I can actually see my background and it's not being milked with ads.

And ti has ps plus which gives you free stuff

Yep it's the superior service.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="WilliamRLBaker"]

lol psn is so inferior Sony has to give it away for free otherwise no one would buy it... *but that will change soon with online pass and then when they start charging for it* but as I said your credibilty is shot you've never use xbox live you created a free account and then gave the gamertag for an account that doesn't belong to you.

I do love how you've just said psn and steam have digital distribution and made out xbox live does not...*it infact has a more full feature catalog of downloadable digital distribution games then psn does which is just sad in its offerings*

Riverwolf007

Nah man it's the other way around you see Live is the infeior service, in fact it's the worst online console service besides the Wii. Online pass is trying to rubused game retailers out of business, but hey you know what, at least I don't have to pay twice for a product I just got and can use all my features for for free. Live is like bottled water, it's being sold by shysters. P2P servers with ads, whoohoo, party chat whoohoo, I sure love giving MS my hard earned money whoohoo. I am so hardcore.

And I don't know why you would think that I would lie about my Live accounts, I have 2 because there are other people in my household. It makes sense, well actually it doesn't when I can get as many accounts as I want for FREE on Steam and PSN, both of which are WAY better than Live, which is drastically inferior.

I have two live accounts jasothebestn and ShadowMoses33 just so you know. PSN and Steam are the better services IMO which is accurate because I have used all 3 for a good amount of time.

I can name a bucnh, for starters there are more dedicated servers for 1st party games on PSN and the communtiy is much more mature. Also it has home (which I never use because I think it's stupid) but it's still something that live doesn't have, and psn has a FAR better dashboard where I can actually see my background and it's not being milked with ads.

And ti has ps plus which gives you free stuff

Yep it's the superior service.

ShadowMoses900

No (just plain wrong) and no (purely opinion), try again.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

Nah man it's the other way around you see Live is the infeior service, in fact it's the worst online console service besides the Wii. Online pass is trying to rubused game retailers out of business, but hey you know what, at least I don't have to pay twice for a product I just got and can use all my features for for free. Live is like bottled water, it's being sold by shysters. P2P servers with ads, whoohoo, party chat whoohoo, I sure love giving MS my hard earned money whoohoo. I am so hardcore.

And I don't know why you would think that I would lie about my Live accounts, I have 2 because there are other people in my household. It makes sense, well actually it doesn't when I can get as many accounts as I want for FREE on Steam and PSN, both of which are WAY better than Live, which is drastically inferior.

ShadowMoses900

I have two live accounts jasothebestn and ShadowMoses33 just so you know. PSN and Steam are the better services IMO which is accurate because I have used all 3 for a good amount of time.

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]xbl takes alot of hate and maybe it's right that it does but even the most serious hater has to admit that when you look through sw at the people that hate on xbl and realize that the fee keeps those people off xbl that in the long run it's a bargain at any price.

Riverwolf007

I have two live accounts jasothebestn and ShadowMoses33 just so you know. PSN and Steam are the better services IMO which is accurate because I have used all 3 for a good amount of time.

I have multiple people in my household so I to pay per account. I renewed my gold subscription because my friend gave me a 3 month gold cardbefore he left to join the military. I just havn't played my xbox in awhile because PSN and Steam blow Live out the water.

Read up on the subject of why games are not cheaper on DD servinces when compared to stores.rzepak

No need to read--only watch.

*looks at Steam, Impulse, and D2D sales and drools*

*looks at Gamestops, best Buys, Walmart, ect sales and lols*

If Sony refused to offer MS the rights to license Blu-ray technology I think that might violate some kind of antitrust laws, they'd have to offer MS the right to license it at a comparable rate that other technology companies license it for. Worst comes to worst though MS could always develop a proprietary disc format just like Blu-ray with the same capacity, just wouldn't be a Blu-ray in name only, and it probably wouldn't play Blu-ray movies since the technology isn't licensed, but Nintendo is basically doing that, not because they can't get a license, that's just how Nintendo has done things since the GameCube, partially to cut down on piracy of their games as well as avoiding paying licensing fees.lamprey263

I just hope you can install all games come next gen like with the 360. Playing games from a disk kills load times. I also hope they move on to SSD, but thats wishful thinking.

Too soon for a DD only console. Microsoft would be limiting themselves in a large degree--especially with bandwidth caps on some individuals, and the issue of not everyone having access to high-speed internet. DD is the future, but the future is not that soon.Stevo_the_gamer

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]If Sony refused to offer MS the rights to license Blu-ray technology I think that might violate some kind of antitrust laws, they'd have to offer MS the right to license it at a comparable rate that other technology companies license it for. Worst comes to worst though MS could always develop a proprietary disc format just like Blu-ray with the same capacity, just wouldn't be a Blu-ray in name only, and it probably wouldn't play Blu-ray movies since the technology isn't licensed, but Nintendo is basically doing that, not because they can't get a license, that's just how Nintendo has done things since the GameCube, partially to cut down on piracy of their games as well as avoiding paying licensing fees.i5750at4Ghz

I just hope you can install all games come next gen like with the 360. Playing games from a disk kills load times. I also hope they move on to SSD, but thats wishful thinking.

SSDs would be awesome, but the technology is still very expensive and console manufacturers tend to try and get the best out of as little as possible. But in a perfect world they'd be using SSDs, comparable amounts of ram as gaming PC's and bleeding edge processors. But its not a perfect world so they'd charge a fortune for it :P

Too soon for a DD only console. Microsoft would be limiting themselves in a large degree--especially with bandwidth caps on some individuals, and the issue of not everyone having access to high-speed internet. DD is the future, but the future is not that soon.Stevo_the_gamer

This. It took me over 3 hours to download a 1-GB movie off of an iTunes server on my DSL connection. Do you realize how long it would take to download a 10 GB+ game onto a necessarily-much-bigger hard drive? I could actually save lots of time by just driving to a store and picking up a disc.

Actually, does anyone know what data storage device is cheaper in cost-per-GB, hard drives or Blu-ray discs? I'd be interested to know.

[QUOTE="lamprey263"]If Sony refused to offer MS the rights to license Blu-ray technology I think that might violate some kind of antitrust laws, they'd have to offer MS the right to license it at a comparable rate that other technology companies license it for. Worst comes to worst though MS could always develop a proprietary disc format just like Blu-ray with the same capacity, just wouldn't be a Blu-ray in name only, and it probably wouldn't play Blu-ray movies since the technology isn't licensed, but Nintendo is basically doing that, not because they can't get a license, that's just how Nintendo has done things since the GameCube, partially to cut down on piracy of their games as well as avoiding paying licensing fees.i5750at4Ghz

I just hope you can install all games come next gen like with the 360. Playing games from a disk kills load times. I also hope they move on to SSD, but thats wishful thinking.

Somehow, most first-party Nintendo games fail to have long load screens - or things that look like load screens, anyway. (I'm thinking Super Mario Galaxy 2.) Maybe that's just a non-HD thing, I dunno.

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

I have two live accounts jasothebestn and ShadowMoses33 just so you know. PSN and Steam are the better services IMO which is accurate because I have used all 3 for a good amount of time.

ShadowMoses900

I have multiple people in my household so I to pay per account. I renewed my gold subscription because my friend gave me a 3 month gold cardbefore he left to join the military. I just havn't played my xbox in awhile because PSN and Steam blow Live out the water.

http://www.xboxgamertag.com/search/jasothebestn/

and then again on ps3.

http://us.playstation.com/publictrophy/index.htm?onlinename=shadowmoses33

then a third time for a few mins.

http://www.xboxgamertag.com/search/ShadowMoses33/

i'm not trying to call you out or anything but your story is so fishy it should be the special at red lobster.

using your friends tag pretty dishonest.

other than being free, because being free does not make something better, it just means its free. but other than being free name one feature that makes PS superior to live. Vinegar_Strokes

1. Dedicated servers

2. No commercials

3. Dynamic themes

4. Home.

5. Can use USB and Bluetooth for voice comms

6. Unique indy games like Flower

7. Netflix on PSN supports subtitles, this is important to me because I'm hearing impaired

Wii-U is confirmed to be using Blu-Ray.

I would be very surprised if the next MS console didn't use it.

DD is not ready yet for prime time.

Having games on 1 disk is a perk of owning the PS3, not a big perk mind you, but it's nice not to swap out 3 disks to play LA Noire.

[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]other than being free, because being free does not make something better, it just means its free. but other than being free name one feature that makes PS superior to live. ZombieKiller7

1. Dedicated servers

2. No commercials

3. Dynamic themes

4. Home.

5. Can use USB and Bluetooth for voice comms

6. Unique indy games like Flower

7. Netflix on PSN supports subtitles, this is important to me because I'm hearing impaired

dedicated servers only on a minority number of first party games the ones that use p2p and 3rd party ones that use p2p are vastly inferior to the 360's p2p.
There are no commercials on xbox live only ads you do not have to look at at all. Home is a horrible service which is a drain on resources at sony. And yet the official wireless headset on the 360 works better then most and has a longer battery life. yes because the 360 has no unique indie games *lets no forget the indie scene on xbox is like 20x larger then on psn* Netflix on 360 will be getting subtitle, 1080p, 5.1 support this fall.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]other than being free, because being free does not make something better, it just means its free. but other than being free name one feature that makes PS superior to live. WilliamRLBaker

1. Dedicated servers

2. No commercials

3. Dynamic themes

4. Home.

5. Can use USB and Bluetooth for voice comms

6. Unique indy games like Flower

7. Netflix on PSN supports subtitles, this is important to me because I'm hearing impaired

[QUOTE="ShadowMoses900"]

[QUOTE="Riverwolf007"]if it's better why do you get every multiplat for 360?

I have multiple people in my household so I to pay per account. I renewed my gold subscription because my friend gave me a 3 month gold cardbefore he left to join the military. I just havn't played my xbox in awhile because PSN and Steam blow Live out the water.

http://www.xboxgamertag.com/search/jasothebestn/

and then again on ps3.

http://us.playstation.com/publictrophy/index.htm?onlinename=shadowmoses33

then a third time for a few mins.

http://www.xboxgamertag.com/search/ShadowMoses33/

i'm not trying to call you out or anything but your story is so fishy it should be the special at red lobster.

using your friends tag pretty dishonest.

I would say that's going to happen in the next gen after the upcoming gen. It is really too seen for that since not everyone connects their consoles online so that would kill some sales. But for the 720 aka Kinect U I see it being half disc half digital just like how the 360 is.

You don't want digital-only on consoles. Think about it: digital distribution is only a good idea on the PC because there are many services competing against each other for your money (Steam, Direct2Drive, GamersGate, etc.); each console only has one digital service so they have a monopoly on pricing. On the PC you can get a better deal from a competing service in a couple of clicks, but to do so on the consoles you'd first need to spend several hundreds on a competing console (only to find that pricing there is probably just as bad most of the time).

Digital distribution-only consoles would mean more expensive games that you can't possibly resell, prices dropping far slower than at retail, and few opportunities to buy at discounted prices. You really don't want this to happen.

also opening up the headset to any bluetooth headset means more often than not people buy the cheapest ****iest headset money can buy and end up sounding terribleVinegar_Strokes

You mean like the crappy headsets they include in every 360 box?

[QUOTE="Vinegar_Strokes"]also opening up the headset to any bluetooth headset means more often than not people buy the cheapest ****iest headset money can buy and end up sounding terribleZombieKiller7

You mean like the crappy headsets they include in every 360 box?

Xbox Live is ok

$50/year isn't that big of a deal but it realistically should be free, the games are almost all peer-to-peer where we are using our own connection.

In the grand scheme of things I have fun playing L4D co-op and Halo firefight mode.

Even tho I know I'm basically getting ripped off, the games are fun enough that I don't care that much.

The way I think of it is that Xbox 360 costs $600 to buy. $300 for the console, and $300 for service for 6 years.

Is the 360 a good system? Yeah.

Is it 2x better than the PS3? Not even close, they are basically the same.

I've never had problems with PSN, any lag, drops etc.

It's basically the same service as Xbox Live, but without cross game chat, and without ads and other minor differences.