Important tip for Xbox 360 owners with Native 1080p HDTVs

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#1 GordonRamsay23
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One error I see Xbox 360 owners making all the time is choosing to output 1080p with their Xbox 360. The problem is that the Xbox 360 does a substandard up scaling pictures up. This can result in subpar picture quality and picture artifacts. Much of the source material on the Xbox 360 is below 1080p so scaling is often required in order to achieve a 1080p picture. If you have a native 1080p HDTV, you will always see a 1080p picture, whether it be native 1080p or upscaled 1080p.The only time you won't is if you set your HDTV to do 1:1 pixel mapping. Chances are however, your HDTV's internal scaler is much better than the Xbox 360's scaler. If you have a receiver, it most likely has a high quality internal video scaler and you can choose to let your receiver's scaler upscale the picture instead. So here is what you do

  1. Make sure your HDTV has 1:1 pixel mapping set to OFF. If it is on, you will get a black border around a 720p picture.
  2. Set your Xbox 360 to output 720p, which will often be the source material's native resolution. If you are watching DVDs, set it to 480p
  3. Plug your Xbox 360 into your receiver and set your receiver to upscale all sources to 1080p. Then plug your receiver into your HDTV
  4. If you do not have a receiver, plug your Xbox 360 straight into your HDTV

By doing this, you are minimizing the video processing of the Xbox 360 and letting something else which does a better job of scaling do the scaling instead. What you end up with is a far better upscaled 1080p picture, compared to if you set the Xbox 360 to 1080p.

*If you are watching HD-DVDs on your Xbox 360, set it to 1080p, since the source material on HD-DVDs is 1080p.

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One error I see Xbox 360 owners making all the time is choosing to output 1080p with their Xbox 360. The problem is that the Xbox 360 does a substandard up scaling pictures up. This can result in subpar picture quality and picture artifacts. Much of the source material on the Xbox 360 is below 1080p so scaling is often required in order to achieve a 1080p picture. If you have a native 1080p HDTV, you will always see a 1080p picture, whether it be native 1080p or upscaled 1080p.The only time you won't is if you set your HDTV to do 1:1 pixel mapping. Chances are however, your HDTV's internal scaler is much better than the Xbox 360's scaler. If you have a receiver, it most likely has a high quality internal video scaler and you can choose to let your receiver's scaler upscale the picture instead. So here is what you do

  1. Make sure your HDTV has 1:1 pixel mapping set to OFF. If it is on, you will get a black border around a 720p picture.
  2. Set your Xbox 360 to output 720p, which will often be the source material's native resolution. If you are watching DVDs, set it to 480p
  3. Plug your Xbox 360 into your receiver and set your receiver to upscale all sources to 1080p. Then plug your receiver into your HDTV
  4. If you do not have a receiver, plug your Xbox 360 straight into your HDTV

By doing this, you are minimizing the video processing of the Xbox 360 and letting something else which does a better job of scaling do the scaling instead. What you end up with is a far better upscaled 1080p picture, compared to if you set the Xbox 360 to 1080p.

*If you are watching HD-DVDs on your Xbox 360, set it to 1080p, since the source material on HD-DVDs is 1080p.

GordonRamsay23
most tv's don't have a hardware upscaler though, so your better running it off the 360's HARDWARE upscaler.
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#3 GordonRamsay23
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[QUOTE="GordonRamsay23"]

One error I see Xbox 360 owners making all the time is choosing to output 1080p with their Xbox 360. The problem is that the Xbox 360 does a substandard up scaling pictures up. This can result in subpar picture quality and picture artifacts. Much of the source material on the Xbox 360 is below 1080p so scaling is often required in order to achieve a 1080p picture. If you have a native 1080p HDTV, you will always see a 1080p picture, whether it be native 1080p or upscaled 1080p.The only time you won't is if you set your HDTV to do 1:1 pixel mapping. Chances are however, your HDTV's internal scaler is much better than the Xbox 360's scaler. If you have a receiver, it most likely has a high quality internal video scaler and you can choose to let your receiver's scaler upscale the picture instead. So here is what you do

  1. Make sure your HDTV has 1:1 pixel mapping set to OFF. If it is on, you will get a black border around a 720p picture.
  2. Set your Xbox 360 to output 720p, which will often be the source material's native resolution. If you are watching DVDs, set it to 480p
  3. Plug your Xbox 360 into your receiver and set your receiver to upscale all sources to 1080p. Then plug your receiver into your HDTV
  4. If you do not have a receiver, plug your Xbox 360 straight into your HDTV

By doing this, you are minimizing the video processing of the Xbox 360 and letting something else which does a better job of scaling do the scaling instead. What you end up with is a far better upscaled 1080p picture, compared to if you set the Xbox 360 to 1080p.

*If you are watching HD-DVDs on your Xbox 360, set it to 1080p, since the source material on HD-DVDs is 1080p.

savagetwinkie

most tv's don't have a hardware upscaler though, so your better running it off the 360's HARDWARE upscaler.

The 360's hardware scaler is substandard according to sites like Ars Techica and Avsforum. You are better off letting your HDTV do it. Or better yet, get a receiver with a high quality scaler and let that do it. You would need a receiver anyways to get the Xbox 360's Dolby Digital or DTS surround sound.

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#4 rp108
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No thanks. Looks better set at 1080p than 720p.

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#5 GordonRamsay23
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No thanks. Looks better set at 1080p than 720p.

rp108

Then your HDTV must be horrible. (IE. Westinghouse, Vizio, etc...) One of those "Wal-Mart HDTVs. Any of the main brand HDTVs, such as Samsung, Sony Bravia, Sharp Aquos, Pioneer, Panasonic Viera, etc... would all do a better job scaling a 720p picture than an Xbox 360.

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Thanks for the tip! Mine looks far better set to 1080p though :)
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#7 GordonRamsay23
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Thanks for the tip! Mine looks far better set to 1080p though :)locopatho

Well, either most Xbox 360 owners own horrible brand HDTVs... or most Xbox 360 owners know little about what makes a good picture from a bad one. Kind of like those people who shop for HDTVs and are impressed by those inaccurate picture settings you see on showroom floors. :D

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#8 rp108
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[QUOTE="rp108"]

No thanks. Looks better set at 1080p than 720p.

GordonRamsay23

Then your HDTV must be horrible. (IE. Westinghouse, Vizio, etc...) One of those "Wal-Mart HDTVs. Any of the main brand HDTVs, such as Samsung, Sony Bravia, Sharp Aquos, Pioneer, Panasonic Viera, etc... would all do a better job scaling a 720p picture than an Xbox 360.

Sony SXRD 50" 1080p. Once again, showing that you have no clue what you are talking about.

Just stop now you are embarrassing yourself.

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[QUOTE="locopatho"]Thanks for the tip! Mine looks far better set to 1080p though :)GordonRamsay23

Well, either most Xbox 360 owners own horrible brand HDTVs... or most Xbox 360 owners know little about what makes a good picture from a bad one. Kind of like those people who shop for HDTVs and are impressed by those inaccurate picture settings you see on showroom floors. :D

Well I have a Panasonic Viera one so don't think it's my TV. Either you are wrong or I am blind, either way 1080p looks better to me :) And I don't think the two guys who responded could be called "most Xbox 360 owners" :lol:
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[QUOTE="rp108"]

No thanks. Looks better set at 1080p than 720p.

GordonRamsay23

Then your HDTV must be horrible. (IE. Westinghouse, Vizio, etc...) One of those "Wal-Mart HDTVs. Any of the main brand HDTVs, such as Samsung, Sony Bravia, Sharp Aquos, Pioneer, Panasonic Viera, etc... would all do a better job scaling a 720p picture than an Xbox 360.

I'm using a Bravia and i have it set to 1080p on my 360 and it looks better.

Give up on electronics advice and stick to the kitchen me thinks :P

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[QUOTE="rp108"]

[QUOTE="GordonRamsay23"]

Then your HDTV must be horrible. (IE. Westinghouse, Vizio, etc...) One of those "Wal-Mart HDTVs. Any of the main brand HDTVs, such as Samsung, Sony Bravia, Sharp Aquos, Pioneer, Panasonic Viera, etc... would all do a better job scaling a 720p picture than an Xbox 360.

GordonRamsay23

Sony SXRD 50" 1080p. Once again, showing that you have no clue what you are talking about.

Then your Sony DLP should do a better job scaling than the Xbox 360. Who doesn't know what they are talking about again?

Look I understand that you just found a nice thread AVS or High Def Digest about this but really, I have been doing this stuff since 2001 I am can tell you right now that it's all bullcrap that gets you to buy products. /thread.

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#13 GordonRamsay23
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[QUOTE="GordonRamsay23"]

[QUOTE="rp108"]

No thanks. Looks better set at 1080p than 720p.

rp108

Then your HDTV must be horrible. (IE. Westinghouse, Vizio, etc...) One of those "Wal-Mart HDTVs. Any of the main brand HDTVs, such as Samsung, Sony Bravia, Sharp Aquos, Pioneer, Panasonic Viera, etc... would all do a better job scaling a 720p picture than an Xbox 360.

Sony SXRD 50" 1080p. Once again, showing that you have no clue what you are talking about.

Just stop now you are embarrassing yourself.

Uh, I hate to break this to you... but the Sony SXRD line (Which was discontinued in 2006) doesn't accept a native 1080p signal. It takes a 1080i signal and deinterlaces it to 1080p. You are actually better off setting your Xbox 360 to 1080i. If you set your Xbox 360 to 1080p, your TV will interlace it to 1080i, then deinterlace it, therefore increasing the amount of video processing required and increasing video lag. :D

Who doesn't know what they are talking about again?

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#14 GordonRamsay23
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[QUOTE="GordonRamsay23"]

[QUOTE="rp108"]

No thanks. Looks better set at 1080p than 720p.

Snugenz

Then your HDTV must be horrible. (IE. Westinghouse, Vizio, etc...) One of those "Wal-Mart HDTVs. Any of the main brand HDTVs, such as Samsung, Sony Bravia, Sharp Aquos, Pioneer, Panasonic Viera, etc... would all do a better job scaling a 720p picture than an Xbox 360.

I'm using a Bravia and i have it set to 1080p on my 360 and it looks better.

Give up on electronics advice and stick to the kitchen me thinks :P

So in other words, you think picture artifacts make your picture look better?

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#15 rp108
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[QUOTE="rp108"]

[QUOTE="GordonRamsay23"]

Then your HDTV must be horrible. (IE. Westinghouse, Vizio, etc...) One of those "Wal-Mart HDTVs. Any of the main brand HDTVs, such as Samsung, Sony Bravia, Sharp Aquos, Pioneer, Panasonic Viera, etc... would all do a better job scaling a 720p picture than an Xbox 360.

GordonRamsay23

Sony SXRD 50" 1080p. Once again, showing that you have no clue what you are talking about.

Just stop now you are embarrassing yourself.

Uh, I hate to break this to you... but the Sony SXRD line (Which was discontinued in 2006) doesn't accept a native 1080p signal. It takes a 1080i signal and deinterlaces it to 1080p. You are actually better off setting your Xbox 360 to 1080i. :D

Who doesn't know what they are talking about again?

Uh, I hate to break this to you but...

NO ONE CARES!

/thread

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Tried it, but the Halo Reach Beta still looks like crap.

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#17 GordonRamsay23
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[QUOTE="GordonRamsay23"]

[QUOTE="rp108"]

Sony SXRD 50" 1080p. Once again, showing that you have no clue what you are talking about.

Just stop now you are embarrassing yourself.

rp108

Uh, I hate to break this to you... but the Sony SXRD line (Which was discontinued in 2006) doesn't accept a native 1080p signal. It takes a 1080i signal and deinterlaces it to 1080p. You are actually better off setting your Xbox 360 to 1080i. :D

Who doesn't know what they are talking about again?

Uh, I hate to break this to you but...

NO ONE CARES!

/thread

Then why did you reply? Of course, you could always stick to a poorer quality picture. But that's up to you. If you like picture artifacts, go for it!

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#18 CaseyWegner
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this isn't a system wars topic. try the xbox 360 forum please.