In 10-20 years, the Wii will take its place in the National Toy Hall of Fame...

...while the 360 and PS3 and their successors (if any) will languish in their fifteen minutes of lime light before being forgotten forever.

Before you say it, YES, the 360 and PS3 and every single video game console that has been made and will ever be made are all toys, as much as insecure fanboys what to claim otherwise.

...while the 360 and PS3 and their successors (if any) will languish in their fifteen minutes of lime light before being forgotten forever.

Before you say it, YES, the 360 and PS3 and every single video game console that has been made and will ever be made are all toys, as much as insecure fanboys what to claim otherwise.

mjarantilla

I like you much better when you weren't a rabid Nintendo fanboy and were leaning to getting a 360. What a difference a year makes.

toy hall of fame? does that really exist? :lol:istreakforfood

It's in Rochester, New York. Most of the toys that were inducted are classics that pretty much everyone has used or played with (e.g. Lego blocks, Monopoly, Checkers, etc.).

There is a toy hall of fame? awesome.laughingman42

Yes, one of the toys is the cardboard box. Yes, as in a simple cardboard box. The Wii will have some great company.

The Wii shrine will be place right next to the Royal Pacifier

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

...while the 360 and PS3 and their successors (if any) will languish in their fifteen minutes of lime light before being forgotten forever.

Before you say it, YES, the 360 and PS3 and every single video game console that has been made and will ever be made are all toys, as much as insecure fanboys what to claim otherwise.

ramey70

I like you much better when you weren't a rabid Nintendo fanboy and were leaning to getting a 360. What a difference a year makes.

Well, I already have a 360, and it has the Big Daddy figurine standing next to it right now. :D But I can also recognize the makings of a paradigm shift. The haters, on the other hand, are all short-sighted and cemented in their ways.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]There is a toy hall of fame? awesome.ramey70

Yes, one of the toys is the cardboard box. Yes, as in a simple cardboard box. The Wii will have some great company.

the cardboard box is proabably the greatest toy ever, I'm not joking.

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]There is a toy hall of fame? awesome.ramey70

Yes, one of the toys is the cardboard box. Yes, as in a simple cardboard box. The Wii will have some great company.

lol

The Wii shrine will be place right next to the Royal Pacifier

TheOwnerOner

Better than the PS3 and 360's places next to the Soiled Diaper. ;)

The toy hall of fame...how appropriate.Teufelhuhn

The 360 and PS3 are toys, too, y'know.

[QUOTE="TheOwnerOner"]

The Wii shrine will be place right next to the Royal Pacifier

mjarantilla

Better than the PS3 and 360's places next to the Soiled Diaper. ;)

ya because the soiled diaper was a great toy

Other notable Hall of Fame toys

Jacks, Checkers, Jump Rope, Play-Doh, Silly Putty, and Marbles. As I spend this weekend playing Bioshock and NCAA Football on a 56" 1080p HDTV I will try to contain my excitement knowing that the experience will never rank up there with such amazing and exciting toys.

[QUOTE="ramey70"]

[QUOTE="laughingman42"]There is a toy hall of fame? awesome.blaznwiipspman1

Yes, one of the toys is the cardboard box. Yes, as in a simple cardboard box. The Wii will have some great company.

lol

When I was 10 I tried to make the Millenium Falcon cockpit out of a box our new refridgerator came in. I was cutting out the windows with a steak-knife and it left a 4" gash in my arm that needed multiple stitches.

**** the cardboard box.

They're not toys- they are consoles. :|

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]The toy hall of fame...how appropriate.mjarantilla

The 360 and PS3 are toys, too, y'know.

Other notable Hall of Fame toys

Jacks, Checkers, Jump Rope, Play-Doh, Silly Putty, and Marbles. As I spend this weekend playing Bioshock and NCAA Football on a 56" 1080p HDTV I will try to contain my excitement knowing that the experience will never rank up there with such amazing and exciting toys.

ramey70

Belittling the classics now? The basic instruments of home entertainment?

That's what PS360 fanboys are filled with: disrespect.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]The toy hall of fame...how appropriate.Teufelhuhn

The 360 and PS3 are toys, too, y'know.

Video game systems used to be toys. That changed in the past 10 years.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]The toy hall of fame...how appropriate.Teufelhuhn

The 360 and PS3 are toys, too, y'know.

Sure you do. And yes, they are. Toys are interactive products made for personal home entertainment and leisure, and sometimes competition.

[QUOTE="ramey70"]

Other notable Hall of Fame toys

Jacks, Checkers, Jump Rope, Play-Doh, Silly Putty, and Marbles. As I spend this weekend playing Bioshock and NCAA Football on a 56" 1080p HDTV I will try to contain my excitement knowing that the experience will never rank up there with such amazing and exciting toys.

mjarantilla

Belittling the classics now? The basic instruments of home entertainment?

That's what PS360 fanboys are filled with: disrespect.

I'm not a fanboy of anything. Depending on whatever game I'm playing that week my preference in systems can change. And yes that Wii sometimes is at the top of my list.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]The toy hall of fame...how appropriate.ramey70

The 360 and PS3 are toys, too, y'know.

Video game systems used to be toys. That changed in the past 10 years.

Not really. Games similar to those made 10 years ago, even 15 years ago, are still being made now. The only thing that's changed about consoles is that they've tried to incorporate multimedia, but the core console experience and the main reason for playing games is still the same as it ever was.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]The toy hall of fame...how appropriate.mjarantilla

The 360 and PS3 are toys, too, y'know.

Sure you do. And yes, they are. Toys are products made for personal entertainment and leisure, and sometimes competition.

By that definiton a set of top of the line golf clubs and a deer rifle are toys.

They're not toys- they are consoles. :|

dracula_16

Keep telling yourself that as you shop in the "PS3/360 Games" aisles of Best Buy or EBGames and see yourself picking up the same games as the 12 year old kid standing next to you.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]The toy hall of fame...how appropriate.ramey70

The 360 and PS3 are toys, too, y'know.

Sure you do. And yes, they are. Toys are products made for personal entertainment and leisure, and sometimes competition.

By that definiton a set of top of the line golf clubs and a deer rifle are toys.

I guess I should've specified "personal home entertainment."

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]The toy hall of fame...how appropriate.mjarantilla

The 360 and PS3 are toys, too, y'know.

Sure you do. And yes, they are. Toys are products made for personal entertainment and leisure, and sometimes competition.

So anything that provides entertainment is a toy? A DVD player is a toy? A collection of works by Shakespeare is a toy?

In 10-20 years the Wii will die and so will Nintendo, Unless it gets its freaking act together! And released some freaking games! WITH SOME NEW FREAKING CHARACTERS!!!!

The Xbox 360 and PS3 are both more innovated, better graphics, better controllers, DVD play-back..and alot more! The Wii is the exsact opisite! TC you fail at life'!

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]The toy hall of fame...how appropriate.Teufelhuhn

The 360 and PS3 are toys, too, y'know.

Sure you do. And yes, they are. Toys are products made for personal entertainment and leisure, and sometimes competition.

So anything that provides entertainment is a toy? A DVD player is a toy? A collection of works by Shakespeare is a toy?

Interactive products.

(BTW, this is the argument I wanted to incite in the first place by starting this thread. Kinda like the whole "Video games are art" debates. :D)

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They're not toys- they are consoles. :|

mjarantilla

Keep telling yourself that as you shop in the "PS3/360 Games" aisles of Best Buy or EBGames and see yourself picking up the same games as the 12 year old kid standing next to you.

According to the ESA, the average age of the most frequent game buyer is38 years old. In 2007, 92 percent of computer game buyers and 80 percent of console game buyers were over the age of 18.

Interactive products.

mjarantilla

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]

They're not toys- they are consoles. :|

ramey70

Keep telling yourself that as you shop in the "PS3/360 Games" aisles of Best Buy or EBGames and see yourself picking up the same games as the 12 year old kid standing next to you.

According to the ESA, the average age of the most frequent game buyer is38 years old. In 2007, 92 percent of computer game buyers and 80 percent of console game buyers were over the age of 18.

Game buyers. Not game players. I can bet you that those 38 year old buyers often have a 10-15 year old player standing next to them salivating.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Interactive products.

Teufelhuhn

DVD players don't provide the entertainment. The DVD movies do, and movies are passive, not interactive.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]The toy hall of fame...how appropriate.mjarantilla

The 360 and PS3 are toys, too, y'know.

Sure you do. And yes, they are. Toys are products made for personal entertainment and leisure, and sometimes competition.

By that definiton a set of top of the line golf clubs and a deer rifle are toys.

I guess I should've specified "personal home entertainment."

I love when people move goalposts on this board when proven wrong.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]

They're not toys- they are consoles. :|

mjarantilla

Keep telling yourself that as you shop in the "PS3/360 Games" aisles of Best Buy or EBGames and see yourself picking up the same games as the 12 year old kid standing next to you.

According to the ESA, the average age of the most frequent game buyer is38 years old. In 2007, 92 percent of computer game buyers and 80 percent of console game buyers were over the age of 18.

Game buyers. Not game players. I can bet you that those 38 year old buyers often have a 10-15 year old player standing next to them salivating.

Wrong again. Also according to the ESA the average game player is 33 years old and has been playing games for12 years.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]The toy hall of fame...how appropriate.ramey70

The 360 and PS3 are toys, too, y'know.

Sure you do. And yes, they are. Toys are products made for personal entertainment and leisure, and sometimes competition.

By that definiton a set of top of the line golf clubs and a deer rifle are toys.

I guess I should've specified "personal home entertainment."

I love when people move goalposts on this board when proven wrong.

Does it matter? My definition still encompasses all home consoles AND all toys. Until you can successfully identify a set of qualities about home consoles that make them mutually exclusive from all other toys, I'm still right.

They're not toys- they are consoles. :|

dracula_16

Edit: Fine, the games are toys, the consoles are the interface. That means toys > consoles.

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Interactive products.

mjarantilla

DVD players don't provide the entertainment. The DVD movies do, and movies are passive, not interactive.

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

[QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"]The toy hall of fame...how appropriate.mjarantilla

The 360 and PS3 are toys, too, y'know.

Sure you do. And yes, they are. Toys are products made for personal entertainment and leisure, and sometimes competition.

By that definiton a set of top of the line golf clubs and a deer rifle are toys.

I guess I should've specified "personal home entertainment."

I love when people move goalposts on this board when proven wrong.

Does it matter? My definition still encompasses all home consoles AND all toys. Until you can successfully identify a set of qualities about home consoles that make them mutually exclusive from all other toys, I'm still right.

Actually, neither of us would be right as each definition is merely our quantitative opinion of an abstract idea.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="Teufelhuhn"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"]

Interactive products.

Teufelhuhn

DVD players don't provide the entertainment. The DVD movies do, and movies are passive, not interactive.

That's fine. It still means we're all gathering around Internet forums discussing toys.

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]

They're not toys- they are consoles. :|

ramey70

Keep telling yourself that as you shop in the "PS3/360 Games" aisles of Best Buy or EBGames and see yourself picking up the same games as the 12 year old kid standing next to you.

According to the ESA, the average age of the most frequent game buyer is38 years old. In 2007, 92 percent of computer game buyers and 80 percent of console game buyers were over the age of 18.

Game buyers. Not game players. I can bet you that those 38 year old buyers often have a 10-15 year old player standing next to them salivating.

Wrong again. Also according to the ESA the average game player is 33 years old and has been playing games for12 years.

Actually:

For Console Gamers...

* Forty percent of most frequent game players are under eighteen years old.
* Thirty-five percent of most frequent game players are between 18 and 35 years old.
* Twenty-five percent of most frequent game players are over 35 years old.

As much as the adult audience has grown, the young audience still dominates.

The simple meaning of a toy according to Webster is "something for a child to play with". When I was 9 my dad bought me a pump action 410 gauge shotgun and I could use it whenever I wanted to kill nutrea in some of our stock tanks. According to marajntilla a shotgun is toy.ramey70

[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="dracula_16"]

They're not toys- they are consoles. :|

mjarantilla

Keep telling yourself that as you shop in the "PS3/360 Games" aisles of Best Buy or EBGames and see yourself picking up the same games as the 12 year old kid standing next to you.

According to the ESA, the average age of the most frequent game buyer is38 years old. In 2007, 92 percent of computer game buyers and 80 percent of console game buyers were over the age of 18.

Game buyers. Not game players. I can bet you that those 38 year old buyers often have a 10-15 year old player standing next to them salivating.

Wrong again. Also according to the ESA the average game player is 33 years old and has been playing games for12 years.

Actually:

For Console Gamers...

* Forty percent of most frequent game players are under eighteen years old.
* Thirty-five percent of most frequent game players are between 18 and 35 years old.
* Twenty-five percent of most frequent game players are over 35 years old.

So 60% of the most frequent gamers are over the age of 18. Thank you for helping my arguement.

The simple meaning of a toy according to Webster is "something for a child to play with". When I was 9 my dad bought me a pump action 410 gauge shotgun and I could use it whenever I wanted to kill nutrea in some of our stock tanks. According to marajntilla a shotgun is toy.ramey70

Sure, why not? If that's the definition you want to use for "toy," then video games are still definitely toys. And it's not "according to me" if you pulled that definition out of the dictionary.