In all honesty who really cares about achievement points, trophies or etc.

No offense to the 360 owners, but I was talking to someone about some of the achievements and it seems they only buy games simply for it, not to mention that the achievements are easy as hell. I think it would make it more worth-while if the achievements where all difficult or something. (not saying that some aren't difficult.)

I know it adds another level to gaming, but some people seem to get way to wrapped up into the whole thing.

Achivements are fine, nerd score is the worst thing to ever happen though.

They should do more than jsut count score, like in Halo 3 it unlocks a Samurai sword when you get all 1000Ps .... game unlockables is good, but nerdscore is just retarded imo.

Achievements can be great. I'm sick of the ones which expect you to complete the game on every difficulty though (i.e. every shooter game on the 360), and the ones which expect you to do the same task a certain amount of times (i.e. online headshots on every shooter game), and the ones which expect you to play a certain amount of online matches (i.e. every shooter game on the 360). Really, I just don't like the achievements on shooters.

But when they're done right, they'll point you toward another area of the game which you would otherwise ignored, and unlock in-game content (see Dead Rising's and Viva Pinata's achievements).

I personally don't care. What I do care about is unlockables. The day of cheat codes is over (finally) and unlockables for doing tasks is now. Achievements don't give me any self worth entirely. Sure I felt I put more into the game but it really doesn't take me any more than that. At least with unlockables, let it be concept art or some kind of skin, I felt I have something added to the game itself.

Achievements is what makes the game fun and replayable, which is why the lemmings keep saying CoD4 will be best on the 360.

Not only that, they can be fun like Dead Rising's or The Orange Box's.

i dont, but some people do so you cant really say that those things are pointless.Mizarus

Not saying its pointless just saying that some people take it way to hard and seem to think that if they get a higher score their either better than you or just call themselves hardcore. Which hardcore gamer itself is pretty much always used inproperly.

I like achievemnts specially when you can get more achievments playing on the hardes difficulty.. It courages me playing on the hardest... and yes it adds more value for me..

Yeah, it the added replayability. It is giving you a goal and a reason to go back to a game you really enjoy. It is also rewarding to get a hard to get achievment. I don't care much for the ultra hard achievments, but rather i perfer the creative ones.

Ye Ar Kung Fu is a good example of a game I recently got a lot more play time with because of the achievments. Trying to defeat an enemy with 1 of every kind of punch and 1 of every kind of kick was fun and challenging. I was just hard enogh to keep me trying, yet not so hard as that I couldn't achieve it.

There are countless other examples. Achievments are one of the best new things to come along in gaming in a while.

I will admit at first I didn't care,

But more and more I find myself doing things I would normally not do just to pop off an achievement.

It lets me get a little more out of my games, so I am not an achievement whore but its a nice bonus.

The achievements were really cool at first, but then it became really lame. You know the "how to get easy achievements" feature in Gamespot, where they tell you to rent kiddy games just so you can boost up your Achievement points? That's when the whole thing went downhill.

Whenever you see a guy with a really high Achievement Points, it may not always show his skill. So it can be really misleading.

What at first became skill, now becomes "get easy games like Cars, or TMNT to get high Gamerscore!!" .

Totally defeats the purpose of showing competitive gaming. Though I do respect the people who have played games which require skill to achieve points. Its really cool to tell others you got a 900 + points in Gears Of War or in Guitar Hero 3 where the games really get crazy.

I'd never purchase a game because of the achievements, and I don't need to get my 1000 gamerscore for every single game out there.

Still, I like the idea, I enjoy getting them when they're well planned: Crackdown or Dead Rising are great examples of what you could do with them achievements, and Halo 3 is also good.

Frankly, I see them as good icing on the cake. It's better having them around than not having them, especially, since you can pretty much ignore them completely if you for some odd reason can't bear their existence.

I dont like em..

Infact, I hated them in the PC version of HL2 episode 2.. Was simply annoying suddenly getting achievments..

But normally I dont care.. I don't farm things as all those Wow guys.

People say acheivements add replay value, except I don't think that is replay value. When going for acheivements, you're not playing the game to enjoy it, your playing to do a certain thing and get some points. I think it's more important for games to have replay value because they are awesomely fun games, where you don't need superficial points just to go back to it.Mordred19

What? You usually play video games to accomplish a certain task or goal and/or obtain points. Achievements do make video games more fun.

I'm a whore and proud of it!

i used to like them because i felt that they made the game larger, but now i feel that achievements cheapen the experience and ruin much of the "explorative" factor to games

I think it would be awesome if games kept the achievements but made them all "secret" untill you find them. that way it will retain the aspect of exploring a game.

achievements remind me of playing a game with a strategy guide. Bioshock for an example, i want to go out and save/kill the children at my disgression and find out what my ending will be. without even finishing the game i know that the achievement that is huge is to rescue all of them to get the good ending. achievements are like spoilers when they are listed.

The actuall achievement in general is quite rewarding. to get a cool achievement like in crackdown when my guy is all the way upgraded is nice. but before i unlock it it should be "secret" i should not know exactly what to do in order to accomplish an achievement.

As of now, when i buy a new game, after i play it for a day or so, i take a quick scroll through the achievement lists so i get a general idea of what to accomplish. this is out of habit, but overall i feel that it cheapens the game because i feel like it makes the game closed minded.

after someone beats a game and gets all the achievemenets its possible not to want to play it anymore because all of the game is technically beaten.

IMO it gives a game added replay value.

Lemmings only care about them....a couple of months ago PS3 games were better because of RUMBLE...it was a system seller, now its ACHIEVEMENTS, once PS3's gets its achievements rip-off...then its going to be some other useless thing...-D3MO-

I am far from a lemming, in fact lemmings are the only fanboys I make fun of. (Sometimes Cows). I do believe achievements do add more to a game. They sometimes make a game more challenging. Like a "Beat this level without getting hit" type of achievement. Stuff like that. I do not, however, buy games just for achievements.

sometimes i may rent a game for the points but dats as far as il go for the ones i do have i may pull it out every once in a while to try and catch an achievement