In interview Sony's Phil Harrison says: "Yes...we copied the whole Mii ide

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#1 Japanese_Monk
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If you don't believe they made this because of MS and Nintendo's Mii's then your a re****. Seriously, heres a quote from Phil Harrison on Miis. Again if you don't believe that Miis+XBL = PSHOME then your a fanboy.

Truth hurts.
----------------- http://ncroal.talk.newsweek.com/default.asp?item=508501

What do you think of Mii Creator on Nintendo's Wii, and the Mii in general?

"I think it's a really great idea. I think the lo-fi execution is not for everyone."
(I.E. he plans to copy it and make it better)

Going back to the lo-fi aspect of the Miis, as you put it, what would you be more interested in seeing? What would be more attractive to you in terms of that avatar idea?

"If you are going to have an avatar which is your representative in a virtual world, it has to stand for more of your personality than some 2-D cartoons. So while I think that millions of people would be happy with cartoony looks, the planet at large probably isn't. And it's an experiment that will be played out very soon, actually."
(Again...he even says they plan to copy it soon but make it better)
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System Wars supposed "fanboys" isnt the only place that sees the direct correlation between Miis and MS Achievements.

Heres a quote from Kotaku:

"Basically, you get to make an avatar for your console (like a Mii) and this avatar has a room. As you play games and accomplish certain tasks, you will receive items with which to adorn the room that are specific to the game (achievements). The kicker is that this is going to be a new requirement for every PS3 game.."



I actually think Home is amazing and I wish it were on the 360. It looks really promising. But you have to be a huge moron/fanboy to think that its not a ripoff. You think Sony would have made PSHOME if there werent Mii's or achievements? Phil even says that they are going to copy it to see if more people like PSHOME instead of Miis. Lol
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#2 lzorro
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Duh.
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It's the old idea of taking what works and doing your own thing with it, creating your own spin.  Overall, I think it looks really good.
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#4 LegendofYaslint
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Here is the flat out truth, if XBL announced the home idea, Sony cows would be making fun of it to no end.

It bothers me cows have nothing better to hold onto. 

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Duh.
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Alot of people need to read this. You think its common sense. So do I. But its system wars and sony fanboys still think its original.
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Duh.
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People act like Miis were suppose to be some god given thing on the Wii that couldn't be beat, its not. You can't beat something that wasn't in the first place being sololy for one thing simply to intergate one's looks or creativity into a game or so like Wii Sports.
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#7 Vandalvideo
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Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!
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#8 Japanese_Monk
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[QUOTE="lzorro"]

Duh.
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People act like Miis were suppose to be some god given thing on the Wii that couldn't be bet, its nots, it was solo for one thing simply to intergate one's looks into a game or so. Yo

What? No ppl didn't think that.. Stay on topic anyway. This isnt about if the Miis are super cool or not. This is about Phil saying they were going to copy.
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Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Vandalvideo

they'll say anything. its ok, this forum really doesnt matter. people constantly lose sight of games. sometimes, i think im the only one who doesnt look ONLY at services.
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#10 Japanese_Monk
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Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Vandalvideo
damage control. I never said they did. That still doesnt negate the fact that Phil said they were going to copy nintendo cept make it better. There are some things that usually aren't put into consoles. The Mii idea was one of them. It was brand new to the hardware/console industry. Still like i said b4. Phil himself said they were going to copy so theres really nothing to say.
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:o Sony may have copied but they made it a whole lot better!

FEAR IS A TOTAL RIP-OFF OF DOOM, LAWLZ!!11!
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Come on people, I know this isn't the first or the last time I'm going to make this comment, but surely any educated person can see this is how the world works. In order to survive, everyone has to be on pace or ahead of their immediate competition. The entire basis on which technology is based is to adapt and expand, which includes taking one idea and making modifications for your own interpretation.
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Come on people, I know this isn't the first or the last time I'm going to make this comment, but surely any educated person can see this is how the world works. In order to survive, everyone has to be on pace or ahead of their immediate competition. The entire basis on which technology is based is to adapt and expand, which includes taking one idea and making modifications for your own interpretation.chimpiki
I know. I assumed everyone knew this. But I saw topics about how Sony didnt copy the Mii system. So I had to knock some truth into the fanboys here. I think the Home system blows miis out the water and is waaay better. But to say they didnt copy is just plain ignorant.
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In all honesty I could care less because I own a PS3 and it will be my main console this generation. I have to agree though that Sony just doesn't t do enough original stuff but whatever. I can see why the industry in general does bash them.
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[QUOTE="chimpiki"]Come on people, I know this isn't the first or the last time I'm going to make this comment, but surely any educated person can see this is how the world works. In order to survive, everyone has to be on pace or ahead of their immediate competition. The entire basis on which technology is based is to adapt and expand, which includes taking one idea and making modifications for your own interpretation.Japanese_Monk
I know. I assumed everyone knew this. But I saw topics about how Sony didnt copy the Mii system. So I had to knock some truth into the fanboys here. I think the Home system blows miis out the water and is waaay better. But to say they didnt copy is just plain ignorant.

After seeing that comparison, I'd have to say I prefer Mii's as opposed to the Sony interpretation. I like the idea of realism and it might be good if you could incorporate your character into a sports game, but Mii's are just a fun little thing, and we all sorta want to have our own cartoon character based on us. That said, I don't think there's enough variety in the sets of eyes and other facial features to truly get a unique character for every Mii.
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Here is the flat out truth, if XBL announced the home idea, Sony cows would be making fun of it to no end.

It bothers me cows have nothing better to hold onto.

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If that happens, then no one can complain.
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#17 Japanese_Monk
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[QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="chimpiki"]Come on people, I know this isn't the first or the last time I'm going to make this comment, but surely any educated person can see this is how the world works. In order to survive, everyone has to be on pace or ahead of their immediate competition. The entire basis on which technology is based is to adapt and expand, which includes taking one idea and making modifications for your own interpretation.chimpiki
I know. I assumed everyone knew this. But I saw topics about how Sony didnt copy the Mii system. So I had to knock some truth into the fanboys here. I think the Home system blows miis out the water and is waaay better. But to say they didnt copy is just plain ignorant.

After seeing that comparison, I'd have to say I prefer Mii's as opposed to the Sony interpretation. I like the idea of realism and it might be good if you could incorporate your character into a sports game, but Mii's are just a fun little thing, and we all sorta want to have our own cartoon character based on us. That said, I don't think there's enough variety in the sets of eyes and other facial features to truly get a unique character for every Mii.

I don't own a Wii...but a 360. I would rather have the Home system on the 360. Simply because you can do more stuff than with miis. And the inclusion of milestones to buy items is really cool. Anyway, i notice how alot of cows are staying away from this topic. LOL, they have nothing to say.
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Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Vandalvideo
They did. :|
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Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Vandalvideo
I thought NIntendo invented the emoticon.:cry:
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!web966
They did. :|

No, i'm sorry. An Avatar is a representation of a person portrayed in a game. This was done as far back as the ATARI.
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So?
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Japanese_Monk
damage control. I never said they did. That still doesnt negate the fact that Phil said they were going to copy nintendo cept make it better. There are some things that usually aren't put into consoles. The Mii idea was one of them. It was brand new to the hardware/console industry. Still like i said b4. Phil himself said they were going to copy so theres really nothing to say.

Phil did not say verbatim "I will copy NIntendo" nor did he say verbatim "I have copied Nintendo". You can imply all you want, he didn't acknowledge the fact. Oh, and its not bad to copy something copied.
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PS3's Home > Any avatar service out there.
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#24 Gzus666
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and nintendo copies the game console from Atari. and all FPS basically copied from wolfenstein 3d. and MS copied the idea to make a console from playstation 2. and Sony copied their console from Nintendo, etc. etc. etc. improving something is the natural thing, every computer and chip design for them tends to copy from each other, almost like its progress or something. thanks for the amazing epiphany.
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Yes it was evident that it was a copied idea that they elaborated on. Still it's a real nice addition to the ps3.
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I don't care if Sony copied anything from Nintendo. HOME is great and it's better than anything Nintendo has. Good for Sony.
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[QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Vandalvideo
damage control. I never said they did. That still doesnt negate the fact that Phil said they were going to copy nintendo cept make it better. There are some things that usually aren't put into consoles. The Mii idea was one of them. It was brand new to the hardware/console industry. Still like i said b4. Phil himself said they were going to copy so theres really nothing to say.

Phil did not say verbatim "I will copy NIntendo" nor did he say verbatim "I have copied Nintendo". You can imply all you want, he didn't acknowledge the fact. Oh, and its not bad to copy something copied.

So if its not bad then why are you arguing? Im not saying its bad. Im just saying...Sony copied. I wasnt going to bring this article up or make a topic about this when I saw home. I thought it was awesome. But when I came to SW cows like you were saying they didnt copy. They did. They made it better but copied nonetheless. Phil himself didnt say it verbatim but did he have to? Don't argue on things like that because it make you seem less intelligent. If you read that article and your brain didnt comprehend where he implied that they were copying than please dont argue with me.
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[QUOTE="lzorro"]

Duh.
Japanese_Monk
Alot of people need to read this. You think its common sense. So do I. But its system wars and sony fanboys still think its original.

I hate PS.
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Japanese_Monk
damage control. I never said they did. That still doesnt negate the fact that Phil said they were going to copy nintendo cept make it better. There are some things that usually aren't put into consoles. The Mii idea was one of them. It was brand new to the hardware/console industry. Still like i said b4. Phil himself said they were going to copy so theres really nothing to say.

Phil did not say verbatim "I will copy NIntendo" nor did he say verbatim "I have copied Nintendo". You can imply all you want, he didn't acknowledge the fact. Oh, and its not bad to copy something copied.

So if its not bad then why are you arguing? Im not saying its bad. Im just saying...Sony copied. I wasnt going to bring this article up or make a topic about this when I saw home. I thought it was awesome. But when I came to SW cows like you were saying they didnt copy. They did. They made it better but copied nonetheless. Phil himself didnt say it verbatim but did he have to? Don't argue on things like that because it make you seem less intelligent. If you read that article and your brain didnt comprehend where he implied that they were copying than please dont argue with me.

Sony didn't "Copy" in the full sense of the word. When you take part of a CONCEPT and make it your own this is called "influence". Copying is taking something full stock and barrel...........like what Bungie did with Halo's story..........from multiple sources. But I digress.
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#30 Japanese_Monk
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PS3's Home > Any avatar service out there.mc2k4
Agreed. Why do people keep saying this. I know Home is amazing. I want it myself!!!! When I say they copied im not in any way saying that Home is garbage. Read my original post. geez.
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Japanese_Monk
damage control. I never said they did. That still doesnt negate the fact that Phil said they were going to copy nintendo cept make it better. There are some things that usually aren't put into consoles. The Mii idea was one of them. It was brand new to the hardware/console industry. Still like i said b4. Phil himself said they were going to copy so theres really nothing to say.

Phil did not say verbatim "I will copy NIntendo" nor did he say verbatim "I have copied Nintendo". You can imply all you want, he didn't acknowledge the fact. Oh, and its not bad to copy something copied.

So if its not bad then why are you arguing? Im not saying its bad. Im just saying...Sony copied. I wasnt going to bring this article up or make a topic about this when I saw home. I thought it was awesome. But when I came to SW cows like you were saying they didnt copy. They did. They made it better but copied nonetheless. Phil himself didnt say it verbatim but did he have to? Don't argue on things like that because it make you seem less intelligent. If you read that article and your brain didnt comprehend where he implied that they were copying than please dont argue with me.

much like xbox copied PS2 system and their controller? much like EVERYTHING copies. unless something is completely new, like when fire was made, it was copied. the guy who made the grill copied cave men, what a dumb idea now. everyone realizes it was copied, to a point, but improved greatly. people seem to think Home itself is a game, its not, its just a virtual lobby basically, just to clear that up. Sims is a game, Home is a lobby to get you to games and music and achievements.
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[QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Vandalvideo
damage control. I never said they did. That still doesnt negate the fact that Phil said they were going to copy nintendo cept make it better. There are some things that usually aren't put into consoles. The Mii idea was one of them. It was brand new to the hardware/console industry. Still like i said b4. Phil himself said they were going to copy so theres really nothing to say.

Phil did not say verbatim "I will copy NIntendo" nor did he say verbatim "I have copied Nintendo". You can imply all you want, he didn't acknowledge the fact. Oh, and its not bad to copy something copied.

So if its not bad then why are you arguing? Im not saying its bad. Im just saying...Sony copied. I wasnt going to bring this article up or make a topic about this when I saw home. I thought it was awesome. But when I came to SW cows like you were saying they didnt copy. They did. They made it better but copied nonetheless. Phil himself didnt say it verbatim but did he have to? Don't argue on things like that because it make you seem less intelligent. If you read that article and your brain didnt comprehend where he implied that they were copying than please dont argue with me.

Sony didn't "Copy" in the full sense of the word. When you take part of a CONCEPT and make it your own this is called "influence". Copying is taking something full stock and barrel...........like what Bungie did with Halo's story..........from multiple sources. But I digress.

Wow dude, you're really talking out your a$$.
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[QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Vandalvideo
damage control. I never said they did. That still doesnt negate the fact that Phil said they were going to copy nintendo cept make it better. There are some things that usually aren't put into consoles. The Mii idea was one of them. It was brand new to the hardware/console industry. Still like i said b4. Phil himself said they were going to copy so theres really nothing to say.

Phil did not say verbatim "I will copy NIntendo" nor did he say verbatim "I have copied Nintendo". You can imply all you want, he didn't acknowledge the fact. Oh, and its not bad to copy something copied.

So if its not bad then why are you arguing? Im not saying its bad. Im just saying...Sony copied. I wasnt going to bring this article up or make a topic about this when I saw home. I thought it was awesome. But when I came to SW cows like you were saying they didnt copy. They did. They made it better but copied nonetheless. Phil himself didnt say it verbatim but did he have to? Don't argue on things like that because it make you seem less intelligent. If you read that article and your brain didnt comprehend where he implied that they were copying than please dont argue with me.

Sony didn't "Copy" in the full sense of the word. When you take part of a CONCEPT and make it your own this is called "influence". Copying is taking something full stock and barrel...........like what Bungie did with Halo's story..........from multiple sources. But I digress.

Cmon. Shelly, cmon... If you take another companies concept and form it into what you think the company should of did its still a form of copying. Saying that Saints row didnt copy GTA would be a lie. In the same aspect saying PShome didnt would be too. Even though Home is lightyears ahead the same applies.
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#34 Japanese_Monk
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[QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Japanese_Monk"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Gzus666
damage control. I never said they did. That still doesnt negate the fact that Phil said they were going to copy nintendo cept make it better. There are some things that usually aren't put into consoles. The Mii idea was one of them. It was brand new to the hardware/console industry. Still like i said b4. Phil himself said they were going to copy so theres really nothing to say.

Phil did not say verbatim "I will copy NIntendo" nor did he say verbatim "I have copied Nintendo". You can imply all you want, he didn't acknowledge the fact. Oh, and its not bad to copy something copied.

So if its not bad then why are you arguing? Im not saying its bad. Im just saying...Sony copied. I wasnt going to bring this article up or make a topic about this when I saw home. I thought it was awesome. But when I came to SW cows like you were saying they didnt copy. They did. They made it better but copied nonetheless. Phil himself didnt say it verbatim but did he have to? Don't argue on things like that because it make you seem less intelligent. If you read that article and your brain didnt comprehend where he implied that they were copying than please dont argue with me.

much like xbox copied PS2 system and their controller? much like EVERYTHING copies. unless something is completely new, like when fire was made, it was copied. the guy who made the grill copied cave men, what a dumb idea now. everyone realizes it was copied, to a point, but improved greatly. people seem to think Home itself is a game, its not, its just a virtual lobby basically, just to clear that up. Sims is a game, Home is a lobby to get you to games and music and achievements.

I don't mean to be mean but what you just said was pointless.
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#35 Vandalvideo
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Japanese_Monk: For the sake of arguement, just do as I say. Highlight everything I'm typing and click copy. Go into a word document and right click and select "paste". What happened? Everyhing I typed appeared verbatim. Great. Super. You just copied me. Now take the general idea of what I'm saying and formulate your own interpretation. Do they look anything alike? No, you were merely influenced by my words. You see, what Sony did is NOT copying. Its called "influence". They were influenced by the idea of having an avatar that allows for interacivity with the community and EXPANDED ON IT while adding its own flavour. This is influence.
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#36 PaintballinDude
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Troll:

Yes, Home takes from the ideas of other systems and expands. And they look like they are doing a better job, for free.

If you lemmings think that Bill Gates has never copied anything, go to www.wikipedia.com and look up a little thing called Windows.

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home its not about games. its fashion nonsense, boring stuff imo. i dont like it. im a man, and i dont ply with Barbie dolls.
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:o Sony may have copied but they made it a whole lot better!

FEAR IS A TOTAL RIP-OFF OF DOOM, LAWLZ!!11!
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Good post. It maby has basic similarity like doom and fear:D but other than that its completely different.
And it ist like mii or nintendy invented the whole idea, just like nintendogs sheep trying to get the credits....
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#39 magus-21
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:o Sony may have copied but they made it a whole lot better!

FEAR IS A TOTAL RIP-OFF OF DOOM, LAWLZ!!11!
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IMO, the Miis are a lot more expressive than the Home avatars.
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#40 Teh_Stevz
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I think home is a great addition to the PS3. But to deny that Sony got influence from Mii's, especially when a Sony rep says so, is ignorant. Please... :?
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#41 Ibacai
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[QUOTE="Teh_Stevz"]I think home is a great addition to the PS3. But to deny that Sony got influence from Mii's, especially when a Sony rep says so, is ignorant. Please... :?

Yup, Sony is taking ideas and making them their own (Improving, polishing, adding on to). Good work Sony.
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#42 ssjlv4nappa
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[QUOTE="web966"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Vandalvideo
They did. :|

No, i'm sorry. An Avatar is a representation of a person portrayed in a game. This was done as far back as the ATARI.



Thank god someone has sense
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#43 magus-21
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="web966"][QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!ssjlv4nappa
They did. :|

No, i'm sorry. An Avatar is a representation of a person portrayed in a game. This was done as far back as the ATARI.



Thank god someone has sense

I think the issue is the UNIVERSAL avatar. In other words, an avatar that can exist outside of a game, or rather, can exist in multiple games and are drawn from the same source. That's something PS Home still doesn't (and shouldn't) do with its avatars.
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#44 gsx1100
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Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!Vandalvideo
tEH innovation!!!
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#45 gsx1100
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[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"]Hold on one minute. So now people are saying Nintendo invented the AVATAR?!web966
They did. :|

You being sarcastic right??If not then this is sigworthy. Nintendo invented avatars,lol