In response to the general SEGA hate I've been seeing around here.

The problem with sega is that all those games (or msot of them atleast) were AAA+ games sometime, now they are all just average, besides look what happend to Sonic, pure bull**** now, and even worse.

Phantasy Star Universe, i cant believe they took ALL the PSO servers down for this horrible crap, so far all those classics that made sega awsome are now crappy games and the only one to blame is sega, i really cant wait to MS or anyone to buy Sega and put those IPs to good use.

The problem with sega is that all those games (or msot of them atleast) were AAA+ games sometime, now they are all just average, besides look what happend to Sonic, pure bull**** now, and even worse.

Phantasy Star Universe, i cant believe they took ALL the PSO servers down for this horrible crap, so far all those classics that made sega awsome are now crappy games and the only one to blame is sega, i really cant wait to MS or anyone to buy Sega and put those IPs to good use.

Kirlok

[QUOTE="Kirlok"]

The problem with sega is that all those games (or msot of them atleast) were AAA+ games sometime, now they are all just average, besides look what happend to Sonic, pure bull**** now, and even worse.

Phantasy Star Universe, i cant believe they took ALL the PSO servers down for this horrible crap, so far all those classics that made sega awsome are now crappy games and the only one to blame is sega, i really cant wait to MS or anyone to buy Sega and put those IPs to good use.

famicommander

I did.

And what i posted is true.

[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="Kirlok"]

The problem with sega is that all those games (or msot of them atleast) were AAA+ games sometime, now they are all just average, besides look what happend to Sonic, pure bull**** now, and even worse.

Phantasy Star Universe, i cant believe they took ALL the PSO servers down for this horrible crap, so far all those classics that made sega awsome are now crappy games and the only one to blame is sega, i really cant wait to MS or anyone to buy Sega and put those IPs to good use.

Kirlok

I did.

And what i posted is true.

Some of those games weren't made by Sega they were just the publishers. Like Condemned games were developed by Monolith. Moolith has made games such as Blood and F.E.A.R. Or how Armored Core 4 is made by FROM Software.

They have also made the most next gen games. At least as of like 2 months ago when I read that.

With that in mind how many games did they have below a B? Because Sonic for the PS3 is just plain bad.

Some of those games weren't made by Sega they were just the publishers. Like Condemned games were developed by Monolith. Moolith has made games such as Blood and F.E.A.R. Or how Armored Core 4 is made by FROM Software.

istreakforfood

They have also made the most next gen games. At least as of like 2 months ago when I read that.

With that in mind how many games did they have below a B? Because Sonic for the PS3 is just plain bad.

HarlockJC

[QUOTE="Kirlok"][QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="Kirlok"]

The problem with sega is that all those games (or msot of them atleast) were AAA+ games sometime, now they are all just average, besides look what happend to Sonic, pure bull**** now, and even worse.

Phantasy Star Universe, i cant believe they took ALL the PSO servers down for this horrible crap, so far all those classics that made sega awsome are now crappy games and the only one to blame is sega, i really cant wait to MS or anyone to buy Sega and put those IPs to good use.

famicommander

I did.

And what i posted is true.

No please play those games b4 commenting on them. Heres the list:

Sonic series= quality games? ROFL:lol:

Phantasy Star series = worst of all

Mario and Sonic = new low

And alot more that i havent played yet the reviews are low at best.

No please play those games b4 commenting on them. Heres the list:

Sonic series= quality games? ROFL:lol:

Phantasy Star series = worst of all

Mario and Sonic = new low

And alot more that i havent played yet the reviews are low at best.

Kirlok

[QUOTE="Kirlok"]

No please play those games b4 commenting on them. Heres the list:

Sonic series= quality games? ROFL:lol:

Phantasy Star series = worst of all

Mario and Sonic = new low

And alot more that i havent played yet the reviews are low at best.

famicommander

Wow you must have -AAA standards to think like that.

Sorry but Sega sucks now.

I love a lot of sega games, and of course, my blog banner is a sega text, love their consoles.

I can't believe someone said phantasy star sucks as a series, I mean, I-IV were fantastic, and PSO was fanstastic, PSU does kinda suck, but, so does XI you know?

[QUOTE="jack_russel"]That list is laughable. when you have to count B-titles you're getting desperate. I can't remember the last time someone counted and A title as a positive, let alone a B-title. Also; soccer manager 2005-2008? really?famicommander

When you still play classics like PSO even today and then Sega takes a crap on their fans and names it PSU then there its when you realize how bad it is.

Wow you must have -AAA standards to think like that.

Sorry but Sega sucks now.

Kirlok

[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]That list is laughable. when you have to count B-titles you're getting desperate. I can't remember the last time someone counted and A title as a positive, let alone a B-title. Also; soccer manager 2005-2008? really?Kirlok

When you still play classics like PSO even today and then Sega takes a crap on their fans and names it PSU then there its when you realize how bad it is.

The only thing I'd like to see Sega do is give more important Roles to Tails and Knuckles in the Sonic series. IT sad to see how low they fallen. =( DragonQuestHero

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[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="jack_russel"]That list is laughable. when you have to count B-titles you're getting desperate. I can't remember the last time someone counted and A title as a positive, let alone a B-title. Also; soccer manager 2005-2008? really?famicommander

When you still play classics like PSO even today and then Sega takes a crap on their fans and names it PSU then there its when you realize how bad it is.

Because Phantasy Star Online has one of the biggest and most loyal fanbase of fans, just below diablo and wow etc.

Phantasy Star Online ep.1 and 2 + is my favorite game of all time and PSU is just mediocre at best when compares to its older bro.

Also sonic is depressing now. Not worth sacrificing those 2 for virtua fighter that btw wasnt even made by Sega.

Because Phantasy Star Online has one of the biggest and most loyal fanbase of fans, just below diablo and wow etc.

Phantasy Star Online ep.1 and 2 + is my favorite game of all time and PSU is just mediocre at best when compares to its older bro.

Also sonic is depressing now. Not worth sacrificing those 2 for virtua fighter that btw wasnt even made by Sega.

Kirlok

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Because Phantasy Star Online has one of the biggest and most loyal fanbase of fans, just below diablo and wow etc.

Phantasy Star Online ep.1 and 2 + is my favorite game of all time and PSU is just mediocre at best when compares to its older bro.

Also sonic is depressing now. Not worth sacrificing those 2 for virtua fighter that btw wasnt even made by Sega.

famicommander

My bad, still not worth sacrificing sonic and PSO for virtua fighter.

Fanboys like you are probably the reason why sega continues with the crappy sequels, you will just buy it anyway, even if its the worst game ever you will still force yourself think it average.

[QUOTE="DragonQuestHero"]The only thing I'd like to see Sega do is give more important Roles to Tails and Knuckles in the Sonic series. IT sad to see how low they fallen. =( famicommander

I did not like SOnic Heroes at all. I jsut want them to make a Soinc game, where I can play Tails and have him fo Super again like he does in the comics. Sega focusing to much on the hedgehogs and leaving there old classic characters in the dust. They need to make a game where Tails and Knuckles play a big role in the story. It boring just playing Soinc...

[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="Kirlok"]

Because Phantasy Star Online has one of the biggest and most loyal fanbase of fans, just below diablo and wow etc.

Phantasy Star Online ep.1 and 2 + is my favorite game of all time and PSU is just mediocre at best when compares to its older bro.

Also sonic is depressing now. Not worth sacrificing those 2 for virtua fighter that btw wasnt even made by Sega.

Kirlok

My bad, still not worth sacrificing sonic and PSO for virtua fighter.

Fanboys like you are probably the reason why sega continues with the crappy sequels, you will just buy it anyway, even if its the worst game ever you will still force yourself think it average.

[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="DragonQuestHero"]The only thing I'd like to see Sega do is give more important Roles to Tails and Knuckles in the Sonic series. IT sad to see how low they fallen. =( DragonQuestHero

I did not like SOnic Heroes at all. I jsut want them to make a Soinc game, where I can play Tails and have him fo Super again like he does in the comics. Sega focusing to much on the hedgehogs and leaving there old classic characters in the dust. They need to make a game where Tails and Knuckles play a big role in the story. It boring just playing Soinc...

I am sure if Shadow would have done better they may have. I did not think Sonic Heroes was that bad of a game "Never completed it." But I did watch my son do so, at least I think it was Sonic Heroes it was a long time ago.

Sega isnt such a third class developer as some people make it seem. I Liked Virtual Fighter and im looking forward to valkirie of the battlefield later this year so I agree with you partially famicommander :DAgentA-Mi6

Sega has completely sucked since the Dreamcast died. Why even try?Lazy_Boy88

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[QUOTE="famicommander"][QUOTE="DragonQuestHero"]The only thing I'd like to see Sega do is give more important Roles to Tails and Knuckles in the Sonic series. IT sad to see how low they fallen. =( HarlockJC

I did not like SOnic Heroes at all. I jsut want them to make a Soinc game, where I can play Tails and have him fo Super again like he does in the comics. Sega focusing to much on the hedgehogs and leaving there old classic characters in the dust. They need to make a game where Tails and Knuckles play a big role in the story. It boring just playing Soinc...

I am sure if Shadow would have done better they may have. I did not think Sonic Heroes was that bad of a game "Never completed it." But I did watch my son do so, at least I think it was Sonic Heroes it was a long time ago.

It was nice that Tails and Knuckles at least did something in Heroes. I hate how in Sonic Rush they made Tails a cheerleader instead of having him follow SOinc like he would do. It sounds like in Soinc Unleashed there not goign to be doing anything...again. The reason I bet they put them in there jsut so they make there fans of them characters happy. =( Still...it would be great to see a Tails game....not one they put on a handheld that was a failure. I could have seen that game working out really well, if it was a a stronger system with more support. The game fet Tails character and also gave a different gaming experence, so it did not feel like a Soinc game just with Tails. It felt like a game that was done around Tails character.

SEGA has always been a fantastic developer, every famous franchise that has gone on for a respectable amount of time (Mario, Sonic) has had bad games, but both have had superb games as well.

I agree 110% with you Famicommander.

SEGA has always been a fantastic developer, every famous franchise that has gone on for a respectable amount of time (Mario, Sonic) has had bad games, but both have had superb games as well.

I agree 110% with you Famicommander.

jmorey01

Am I the only one that thinks that SEGA was ALWAYS a bad developer?

2D sonics were ahead of their time... as in... they should not have tried to make a super fast platformer when you can't see what's coming up ahead. There was no skills in performing well the first time through, what one had to do was memorize the levels. Despite of this... the games were easy... why? they played themselves.

3D sonics... god i only bothered with the first 2 adventure games, apparently the best ones... they are so unpolished and awkward. Again, most of it plays itself.

PSO was alright... when it was free to play online. it is not worth any fee

Original Phantasy star games were no were near as good as any square or enix rpg.

The one game I they have done well was F-Zero GX. Not only was it good, it was a better F-Zero game then Nintendo has ever made. I hope the same team is working on the Wii version.

WTF is with this spellcheck on these boards?!?!? Microsoft and Sony are known words but Nintendo is not?!?!

Regardless of what most of the games scored on that list. I think most of those games are average at best. Nothing special in that list what so ever. If Sega keep churning out all these average games, then as far as I'm concerned they deserve all the hate.

It's the Sonic games that get the most attention anyway. Not there other shoddy games. If they can't even deliver a great Sonic game then they fail. Sonic's there mascot for crying out loud. Btw the sonic rush games are total crap compared to the Sega Mega Drive ones which where a 100 times better. I'm uncertain about Sonic Unleashed, it looks more like the Sonic Rush games where you have basically run through everything with hardly any platforming elements.

In recent weeks I've noticed a lot of hate directed at SEGA, for whatever reason. People seem to think that SEGA is incapable of making a good game anymore, because there have been some sub-par Sonic games floating around. I don't necessarily care about review scores, but this is System Wars, and that seems to be how we decide things here. All of these games were published and/or developed by SEGA and its subsidiaries. The multiplatform games were only listed once, and the higher score was taken (for example, if a game has an A score for Xbox 360 and a B score for PC, the Xbox 360 version is listed in the A category and the B PC version is omitted). Only games released in the United States were listed. All games are from this console generation, and cover the PC, DS, PSP, PS3, Wii, and Xbox 360. The arcades, cell phones, XBLA, PSN, Virtual Console, and all games not yet released in the United States were omitted. Their status is determined by their Gamerankings scores, and all scores are rounded up to the nearest whole number (79.5 would round to AA, 79.0 would not). AA SEGA games: Virtua Fighter 5 Online Bleach: The Blade of Fate Condemned 2: Bloodshot Condemned: Criminal Origins Crush Medieval II: Total War Kingdoms Medieval II: Total War NHL: Eastside Hockey Manager 2007 NHL: Eastside Hockey Manager 2005 OutRun 2006: Coast 2 Coast Phantasy Star Online: Blue Burst Rome: Total War Barbarian Invasion SEGA Genesis Collection Sonic Rush Sonic Rush Adventure Total War: Eras Virtua Tennis 3 Virtua Tennis: World Tour Worldwide Soccer Manager 2005 Worldwide Soccer Manager 2006 Worldwide Soccer Manager 2007 Worldwide Soccer Manager 2008 A SEGA games: Sonic and the Secret Rings Ghost Squad SEGA Superstars Tennis After Burner: Black Falcon Chromehounds Feel the Magic: XY/XX Full Auto Mystery Dungeon: Shiren the Wanderer Rome: Total War Alexander SEGA Rally REVO Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz The Club The Rub Rabbits! Universe at War: Earth Assault Viking: Battle for Asgard B SEGA games: Armored Core 4 Charlotte's Web Crazy Taxi: Fare Wars Full Auto 2: Battlelines Mario and Sonic at the Olympic Games NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams Phantasy Star Universe Puyo Pop Fever SEGA Bass Fishing Sonic Rivals Sonic Rivals 2 The House of the Dead 2 and 3 Return Remember how the Gamespot scale works: AA=Great A=Good B=Fair So, in total, SEGA looks like this so far this generation: 22 great games 15 good games 12 fair games SEGA has been nothing short of outstanding as a publisher and developer this generation. They are still a great asset to the video game industry, and I pity anyone who can't see that. People whine that their current games don't measure up to the standards set by the Genesis, Saturn, and Dreamcast. That may be true, but how many games actually do? Learn to measure a company's quality based on its own merits. They've put out some of the most original and innovative titles of any company this generation.famicommander

Nice, may i just remind you that Super Monkey Ball: Banna Blits got 8.3 here in GS therefore AA. I just thought I mentioned that to you. Oh and JSFR and Panzer Dragoon Orta are still some of the best post-Dreamcast Sega games out there.

IMNSHO, I have been a SEGA fan much longer then most and will first say, SEGA has been sick for about a decade.

What would cure this illness ?

Stop being stubborn and become a first party dev for MS where loads & loads of dev. funding and twenty first century gaming expertise will put SEGA back in their rightful place.

At the top of the gaming food chain ! :D

Then and only then can I ever hope to ever finish the Story & Adventure of:

PS: Whoever made the comment of:

SEGA never should have shut down the PSO servers in favor of PSU was absolutely correct.

The response of most posters here shows that preception rather the logic or reality is the rule for so called gamers. Seriously those scores from those game are pretty good, but I guess people here don't buy less then GS 9.0 games :roll:.komdosina

Fail, the average sega games score before they started to suck was AAA. So yea it could be.

IMNSHO, I have been a SEGA fan much longer then most and will first say, SEGA has been sick for about a decade.

What would cure this illness ?

Stop being stubborn and become a first party dev for MS where loads & loads of dev. funding and twenty first century gaming expertise will put SEGA back in their rightful place.

At the top of the gaming food chain ! :D

Then and only then can I ever hope to ever finish the Story & Adventure of:

PS: Whoever made the comment of:

SEGA never should have shut down the PSO servers in favor of PSU was absolutely correct.

SecretPolice

I cant believe i still play PSO on my wii, i hope someone comes up with a patch to play PSO online on private servers. DAW WIFI!

Please don't embarrass yourself any further with your ridiculous amount of SEGA knowledge. Thats a title to be proud of....

And you even stated earlier you had played every single one of those games and can vouch for their quality.... Do you just play SEGA games? That was quite a long list... Go out, smell the breeze, run your hand along the top of a wheat field, play on a tire swing, go to a baseball game... find a balance. Such a devoted, fervent thread topic and hubris of your rebuttals on behalf of a sub-par game company can't be healthy...

The main problem is that SEGA was NEVER as great a game developer as people have turned them into over time. And now that SEGA is doing what they've always done, people are slowly coming to grips with the reality that maybe the legend is really just a myth...and not everything SEGA put out was AAA or AAAA.

On the other hand, people here complain about lazy devs and short games and poor ports. And SEGA was one of the companies that started this trend last gen. They rushed many of their games onto console with only 6 months development time resulting in sub-ar graphics (VF) and then released a 2.0 version later on with improved graphics AND added characters. They mastered the art of releasing 4 or 5 hour games that could be beaten in a single rental. But people sucked it up and loved it last gen because they were still living within the myth.