Indie Bashing.... will people stop? please?

Over the past few months, i've seen a lot of Indie game bashing going on. Mainly from the "PS4 has no games" lot who insist indie games are not "real" games.... stupid i know

However with No Man's Sky on its way, can we maybe change our minds a little?

Most (sane) people agree NMS will be somthing special, but as we all know its how the game world is generated that makes it special.. it truely has the potential to change how games are made. With enough "constraints" as Hello Games puts it, you can do pretty much anything. Imagine being able to produce the entirity of the USA or even the world in super levels of detail, all done by an algorythem that predicts what you should be looking at based on little information, and creating that out of nothing but a colour palet, and a general idea of shape. Storage Capacity issues which hindered such games in the past will no longer be an issue and the posibilities are litterally.... endless.

If Hello Games pulls this off right, and the technology is proven, it could very well become the new norm for game design and launch us truely into the next gen of gaming.

All this from a little Indie Company ... but hey... they aint real games right?

Just people poking cows since they hated indies and were "lol pc indies" last gen,but now that they have tons of them...

^ true

LOL. Funny.

I'm really interested in NMS, however, small indie games like The Stanley Parable or Anti.chamber, 2 of my favourite games last year, aim low and reach their goals.

Big budget games have both the money and the large teams to make big projects possible,

I've seen many indie games that aimed high, only to either crash or simply not reach it fully, I'll be waiting to see how NMS ends up before hyping it.

yes tc i 100% agree that things like budget, 'indie', haze, is not a predictor of a games quality.

I'm cool with Indie Games and I'm just going to leave it like that.

If you're a Lem it's not cool to like indies anymore. If you're a cow indies are the greatest thing ever now. If you're a hermit it doesn't matter, because you're the master race.

As much as i agree with you... please be aware that its not just a fanboy thing... its across the board. People seem to have an irrational dislike for Indie games and look at them like a joke... Don't Stave is one of my favourate games on the PS4... Mark of the Ninja was one of my favourate last gen.... I feel its such a shame that a lot of people wont even give games like this a look in... purely because of prejudice

indie 'games' are not real games though, thats just a fact

Oh yea I totally agree. A lot of indies have been hands down some of the best games to play in the past few years. Just got done with the Swapper a few weeks ago, brilliant game. I feel the same way. I wish people would just enjoy games no matter what platform or production costs.

I agree. Some of the most creative and unique games coming out, these days, come from independent devs. I have nothing agaist AAA mainstream games, but indies are needed.

Fantastic :)... fine example of someone who can think critically here. Unfortunatly... your statement is neither a real arguement nor add any value to the discussion at hand

Well.. other than proving my point so thanks for that bud :) now go back to Call of Duty 72 or whatever itteration its on

I agree, most aren't. I'd even go as far as saying most games aren't games anymore, period.

No because indie games are worthless crap.

Indie games are a bit like Canada in Southpark... well that's what people want you to think anyway.

Explain...**sits and waits patiently**

People are bashing Indies ? :o

where ?

indie bashers tend to be "dudebro's" who are usually too bro or too dude for indie games. A huge amount of games I've played in the last few years have been indies.

I find the xbox community to be very dudebroish, unfortunately, as it's my go to system this gen.

I like what sony is doing with indies but the system should not be known for indie games..That's a little embarrassing

This .

And this .

It's just giving cows a taste of their own medicine for denying the validity of indie games' existence on PC and XBLA last gen.

They as a group of fanboys have now become the biggest bunch of hypocrites around.

• They were totally against paying for online, but now that Sony does it, it's okay.
• They were totally against indie games, but now that's all Sony has, it's okay (I'm amazed at how many people who never even feigned interest in No Man's Sky when it was first announced, amazingly, became fans of it once it's timed exclusivity was announced).
• They were totally against shooters and complained that the 360 was "nothing but shooters" but now have a games catalogue that features almost entirely games with guns (not counting HD remakes/remasters).

Lol indies are pretentious trash made by neckbeards in their basements lel

I love indies ;_;

This. So much.

Here.

@RedentSC: you are talking like hello games are the first people to use procedural generation....Elite did it 30 years ago obviously much more archaic and simple but the exact same concept.

It's old tricks and tech used in new ways.

Cows are funny.

When you're current gen 8 leader like SONY is, you make an easy target and jealousy makes you say silly things.

@naz99: Well a number of games currently use procedural generation. Dont Starve is a good example. however there is one significant game changer with how NMS does it

Its location based procedural generation employeed in NMS, not random. Example;

if you are in a certain place in NMS, you will see a certain planet... no matter who you are you will always see the same thing (on all copies of the game)

Elite (which i agree was and still is an amazing piece of software) does it randomly, meaning every play though you see somthing different.

With location based proc gen, you can acuratly (yet proceduraly) create world. Again for example.. if i'm in game and at the location where London should be, then the game will create a city close to london (as the engine specifies there should be a certain number of buildings, with a certain colour or whatever) using any number of different costraint criteria.

This is the difference in technology that could make NMS a true watershead moment in gaming

This...cows, like all fanboys, are idiots.

I never bashed indies, they're the only ones who seem to make games I'm interested in these days. "AAA" devs/pubs aren't doing a very good job.

Granted not all indie games are great, some are awful but the very same holds true for the "AAA" bullshitters. Elite Dangerous and Divinity are case in point as to why ALL gamers should be paying attention to even the small devs. Some will certainly surprise you!

Console gamers love indies, didn't you see E3?

I don't see the point in bashing some of them since they're probably achieving more in life than the majority of people in these forums.

Well sony tries to figure out who buys ps4s and why.

Yoshida has said that only 4/10 sony exlusvies sell and AAA are to expensive to ps4 will have less AAA exlusives than ps3.

So indiestation confirmed?

I dont know, the problem is neither next gen console has good games so far.

A for indies? Well you dont buy a console for indies, but seriously i thought indies "sucked".....no wait that was when they were on pc, now they are on consoles, indies are now awesome apparently.

No man sky? How much have we seen about this game? Not much, so dont get hyped.

I'd argue that they're receiving quite a lot of love. Look at how big they have become. Every platform is receiving them. Companies are buying exclusivity for their platforms.

Don't use System Wars as a basis for anything, except measuring the limits of human stupidity.

A lot of people bashing indies don't even know what indie means, and confuse them with casual games.

I like some indie games, but for every good/great indie game there are 10 awful ones.

You obviously weren't around here for most of last generation so let me summarize. MS lead the indie charge with the 360 and XNA studios and had a decent stable of indies many of which were exclusive at the time. Exclusives are king in SW but indie exclusives were routinely shit on here by cows because they weren't considered to be full games, therefore excluded from being counted when comparing game library's between the 360 and PS3. So, with that said why should it be any different this generation?

I personally have nothing against indies and have enjoyed quite a few across different platforms over the years but to act as if they are a selling point or some kind of console advantage is just silly.

I don't recall saying it was an advantage for any console? I'm talking about Indie titles in general. NMS is also coming out on PC......

It has been noticed that Lems are on the hate indie band wagon this time around... thats because they don't get to play a lot of them though, not because they are shit. you are right... indies are not a selling point for any console... why you felt the need to mention that is beyond me

@parkurtommo

Hmm.... I Must have missed it.

Indie games are fine and dandy. Some of my fav last gen games were indie. However they can never replace the AAA experience imo and it saddens me that all we hear about nowadays are "indies, indies, indies" and AAA development is only seen on already established popular IPs. Indies also killed the AA development. The exagerated focus on indies is what pisses me off the most, not the indie games per se. We buy new hardware to take full advantage of it. If not, what would be the point of buying a new console to play games I could play on a weaker platform?

Incredible true.

I suppose the indie hate stems from how both Sony and MS are trying to profit off of consumer apathy in regards to AAA publishers.

I mean, AAA games currently taste a LOT like old hat and have done so for a couple of years. Hitman, Tomb Raider, Uncharted, Splinter Cell sort of feel the same gameplay wise and the three old franchises of those, used to be really distinct.

It's much worse in the FPS genre.

Meh.

And can we not assume that just because No mans sky exists, all indies are like that. Because they're not.

I think the bashing is coming from the fact the majority of the PS4s library is built up of flash games. Its just filler.

That explains all the indie hate from Cows last gen.

I have both a PS4 and a PC....so I'm in the mix of the indy game scene....somewhat.

I say somewhat b/c it's not that indy games are bad....it's just that ppl give them waaaaay too much credit. Most of the time, they have a different spin on an old mechanic or something....not the revolution of games like ppl make them out to have.

Out of the million of indy games out there....only a couple of handfuls are truly great. Amnesia is one. But that sort of game comes along only here and there.

I'm sick of indy supporters and indy devs actling like they are saving gaming. I hate when ppl say they enjoy games like Watchdogs or Assassins Creed....ppl think they are dumb or mainstream. Shit....not everyone is jaded to the point that crap entertains us just b/c it's different.

Look at Goat Simulator. That shit is pathetic...yet the PC crowd ate it up. Yeah...it's good for a laugh for about 20 minutes.....but there is nothing to that game....and it was broken as **** when it released.

What with Journey giving SONY an unprecedented 3rd EXCLUSIVE GOTY? Those aren't true SONY fans then.

That's the triple A space and gaming in general. The shit has always outnumbered the good stuff.

Three GOTY. that goes nicely with their third place trophy for last gen don't you think? ;)

I've had tons of fun playing Indie games the last few years. I like them.

Not to my last check. ;)