Information/speculation on the Wii U's GPU

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#1 JB730
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It has been confirmed that the Wii U GPU will be made by AMD and is custom made based on the AMD Radeon HD brand. We also know that is has multi-display functionality.

link:http://finance.yahoo.com/news/AMD-and-Nintendo-Join-Forces-iw-4227301691.html?x=0&.v=1

Since multi-display functionality was introduced starting with the Radeon HD 5000 series, we can probably conclude the Wii U GPU is based on the 5000 or 6000 series.

Can anyone provide some insight into how the lowest end Radeon HD 5000 series GPU stacks up to the 360 Xenos (Xenos is based ATi's X1900/X1950 series)? Because that seems to be the very minimum spec that the Wii GPU can possibly run at. Sorry if this is obvious, but I know next to nothing about this stuff!

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is this good or bad
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AMD Radeon HD 5550 (320 SPs) smacks AMD Xenos.

AMD Radeon HD 6570M (400 SPs) ~= Radeon HD 5730M (400 SPs) ~= Radeon HD 5570 (400 SPs) Desktop. These GPU models are part of AMD's "TeraScale 2" design.

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Well I have a 5850 and it poops on the 360's graphics. Imagine games optimised like console, it would look amazing. I doubt Nintendo's GPU is that good though, probably a bit weaker.
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is this good or badEmperorZeruel

not sure yet!

just trying to get an idea of the very MINUMUM possible capabilities of the wii u's GPU.

the very minimum it can run at seems to be that of the low end Radeon HD 5000 series. question i want to know from a PC gamer is how well does that perform compared to the 360?

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Well I have a 5850 and it poops on the 360's graphics. Imagine games optimised like console, it would look amazing. I doubt Nintendo's GPU is that good though, probably a bit weaker.SaltyMeatballs
dor forget back in the good old day where nintendo console was actually the strongest, with the super nintendo and the nintendo 64
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"]Well I have a 5850 and it poops on the 360's graphics. Imagine games optimised like console, it would look amazing. I doubt Nintendo's GPU is that good though, probably a bit weaker.EmperorZeruel
dor forget back in the good old day where nintendo console was actually the strongest, with the super nintendo and the nintendo 64

GCN was not bad too.
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#8 JB730
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AMD Radeon HD 5550 (320 SPs) smacks AMD Xenos.

AMD Radeon HD 6570M (400 SPs) ~= Radeon HD 5730M (400 SPs) ~= Radeon HD 5570 (400 SPs) Desktop. These GPU models are part of AMD's "TeraScale 2" design.

ronvalencia

great, thanks for the input.

the wii u's GPU should smoke xenos.

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#9 ronvalencia
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[QUOTE="JB730"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

AMD Radeon HD 5550 (320 SPs) smacks AMD Xenos.

AMD Radeon HD 6570M (400 SPs) ~= Radeon HD 5730M (400 SPs) ~= Radeon HD 5570 (400 SPs) Desktop. These GPU models are part of AMD's "TeraScale 2" design.

great, thanks for the input.

the wii u's GPU should smoke xenos.

Let's hope it's not 80 SPs to 160 SPs type AMD GPU.
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="JB730"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

AMD Radeon HD 5550 (320 SPs) smacks AMD Xenos.

AMD Radeon HD 6570M (400 SPs) ~= Radeon HD 5730M (400 SPs) ~= Radeon HD 5570 (400 SPs) Desktop. These GPU models are part of AMD's "TeraScale 2" design.

great, thanks for the input.

the wii u's GPU should smoke xenos.

Let's hope it's not 80 SPs to 160 SPs type AMD GPU.

I don't even know what that means... what I do know is that 360/PS3 couldn't run the Zelda demo at 1080p as good as WiiU.
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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="JB730"]

great, thanks for the input.

the wii u's GPU should smoke xenos.

SaltyMeatballs

Let's hope it's not 80 SPs to 160 SPs type AMD GPU.

I don't even know what that means... what I do know is that 360/PS3 couldn't run the Zelda demo at 1080p as good as WiiU.

80 SPs = Radeon HD 5450 or Radeon HD 6250

160 SPs = Radeon HD 6450

400 SPs = Radeon HD 5570 or Radeon HD 6570M or Radeon HD 57x0M

800 SPs = Radeon HD 5770 or Radeon HD 6800M or Radeon HD 4870

M = Mobile parts.

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#12 JB730
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[QUOTE="JB730"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

AMD Radeon HD 5550 (320 SPs) smacks AMD Xenos.

AMD Radeon HD 6570M (400 SPs) ~= Radeon HD 5730M (400 SPs) ~= Radeon HD 5570 (400 SPs) Desktop. These GPU models are part of AMD's "TeraScale 2" design.

ronvalencia

great, thanks for the input.

the wii u's GPU should smoke xenos.

Let's hope it's not 80 SPs to 160 SPs type AMD GPU.

I guess that's the Radeon HD 5450 (80 SPs)? does that even stack up to the 360?

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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="JB730"]

great, thanks for the input.

the wii u's GPU should smoke xenos.

JB730

Let's hope it's not 80 SPs to 160 SPs type AMD GPU.

I guess that's the Radeon HD 5450 (80 SPs)? does that even stack up to the 360?

You would need Radeon HD with 240 SPs (i.e. 240 32bit data processing per cycle**) with atleast 128bit external bus and GDDR3 memory type.

**instructions per cycle not factored. Xenos is less efficient than Radeon HD designs.

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[QUOTE="JB730"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Let's hope it's not 80 SPs to 160 SPs type AMD GPU.ronvalencia

I guess that's the Radeon HD 5450 (80 SPs)? does that even stack up to the 360?

You would need Radeon HD with 240 SPs (240 32bit data processing per cycle) with atleast 128bit external bus and GDDR3 memory type.

ah i see. i think its safe to conclude nintendo can absolutely not be going with an 80 - 160 SPs AMD GPU then, they can't make it that much inferior to the 360/PS3.

if the wii u is at LEAST on par with the 360/ps3 (as many reports confirm), then they have to be going with a custom version of Radeon HD 5550+ or Radeon HD 6570+ at the very minimum - all which smoke the 360.

this is all very speculative of me, but seems to be make sense with the info we got. thanks for the info!

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So the 4890 reports were probably true....

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[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="JB730"]

I guess that's the Radeon HD 5450 (80 SPs)? does that even stack up to the 360?

JB730

You would need Radeon HD with 240 SPs (240 32bit data processing per cycle) with atleast 128bit external bus and GDDR3 memory type.

ah i see. i think its safe to conclude nintendo can absolutely not be going with an 80 - 160 SPs AMD GPU then, they can't make it that much inferior to the 360/PS3.

if the wii u is at LEAST on par with the 360/ps3 (as many reports confirm), then they have to be going with a custom version of Radeon HD 5550+ or Radeon HD 6570+ at the very minimum - all which smoke the 360.

this is all very speculative of me, but seems to be make sense with the info we got. thanks for the info!

after some consideration, i take this back.

based on the release date of wii u, and the fact that its gotta be custom made (ie. developed by AMD, who is working to release AMD Radeon HD 7000 series products), it has to be part of AMD Radeon HD 7000 family of GPUs.

there is a chance that the lowest end part of this GPU family has similar capabilities to the 360, so it might just be a custom version of that.

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Nice, AMD makes the most efficient GPUs.

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Reggie keeps making comments about the 1080p-ness of the system. I guess it's certainly possible that the system could be made to be render games at 1080p standard. If so, that would most certainly narrow out some choices as to what GPUs Nintendo could be employing, especially if the system is made to match the 360 and PS3 graphically but with higher output resolution. Going 1080p means having twice the pixel rate as Xenos or RSX, which both have 8 ROPs. 16 ROPs is virtually required because of that, unless you clock an 8 ROP part really high, but that would make little sense for a small box like the Wii U which will be power and thermally constrained.

That makes RV740, RV770 and Juniper prime candidates, assuming Nintendo went off-the-shelf. Juniper and RV740 make more sense due to their 128 bit memory interfaces as far as power concerns go, and are ready for GDDR5 in order to give them good bandwidth, cutting RV770 out of the equation. Between RV740 and Juniper, I would then go with Juniper for it's extra TMUs, better realized tessellation capability which could be put to good use, as well as better multi display capability, which would be useful for Wii U's controller system. Not to say RV740, couldn't deal with the dual screen design, it's just that Evergreen and beyond is better suited to it. I also think it's entirely possible Ninty could be using a Southern Islands equivalent of Juniper, something on 32 nm.

My speculations here are based on a 1920 x 1080p output as standard, which pretty much also requires not only 16 ROPs for 360 equivalent graphics, but a healthy memory bandwidth and amount of memory. Juniper with 1 GB of GDDR5 fits that job nicely, is affordable and is not too power hungry, especially in a mobile type package used in 5870M form. The multi display out capabilities round out the features. All that pretty much means Juniper will still much more room for potential quality growth well beyond 360 graphics at 1080p, considering even at a conservative 500 MHz clock speed (desktop versions of the 5770 go beyond 850 MHz), the chip still has over 3x the shader capability (800 vs 240 GFLOPS).

I still like the idea of RV740 though, just because it was such a great GPU lol.

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So the 4890 reports were probably true....

magnax1
If it's a 4890 then it would be amazing.
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[QUOTE="magnax1"]

So the 4890 reports were probably true....

mitu123
If it's a 4890 then it would be amazing.

How much better is that than the ones in the current consoles? Don't really know much about this kind of thing :P
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[QUOTE="mitu123"][QUOTE="magnax1"]

So the 4890 reports were probably true....

soulitane

If it's a 4890 then it would be amazing.

How much better is that than the ones in the current consoles? Don't really know much about this kind of thing :P

Way better!!! Having used to owning a Radeon 4800 series card I know what it's like.

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[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="mitu123"] If it's a 4890 then it would be amazing.mitu123

How much better is that than the ones in the current consoles? Don't really know much about this kind of thing :P

Way better!!! Having used to owning a Radeon 4800 series card I know what it's like.

Ohk, thanks :D
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[QUOTE="soulitane"][QUOTE="mitu123"] If it's a 4890 then it would be amazing.mitu123

How much better is that than the ones in the current consoles? Don't really know much about this kind of thing :P

Way better!!! Having used to owning a Radeon 4800 series card I know what it's like.

Depending on clock speed, they have around 4-5x the shader capability and 2.5 times the texturing capability as the Xenos in the 360. Basically, they rip the Xenos a new one.