IN-GAME Graphics: Gears 1 > MGS4

[QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="jdt532"][QUOTE="Nameless-Hero"]

[QUOTE="mistervengeance"]you obviously haven't played it. the only differences between in game and cutscenes are the camera anglesBread_or_Decide

how can you people keep saying this nonscense it is not the same. i guess most people have no clue as to how games are made, in fact you cant find me a single game that has identical graphics in both cutscenes and gameplay taking in account AA, framerate, things on screen.

I've actually played MGS4 and I honestly can't notice a difference between gameplay graphics and cutscenes. I've noticed the same amount of aliasing in cutscenes and the textures, animation and physics don't look any better in cutscenes.

do me a favor and load up Act 2. the first cutscene where snake is in the foliage, just pay attention to his suit and the detail, then before it transitions into gameplay notice how the quality gets downgraded (less detail, a little more jaggy)

I'm on my second playthrough now and I'm past that part so I'll look for that the next playthrough. Obviously the effect you're talking about isn't terribly noticeable unless you're really looking for this stuff but your average gamer who is immersed in the game isn't going to notice any minor nuances between cutscenes and gameplay.

How much clipping were on those gears cut scenes? Good grief. Now THAT is noticeable.

I noticed it bad when the GEARS unit made it out of the locust underground base. That cutscene stuttered bad.

[QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

nah, maybe you should put your glasses on or something

ogvampire

I play games not graphics. If it bothers you that much then go write a letter to Kojima and see how much he cares. Its still way better than Gears whose cut scenes look way better than the gameplay. MGS4 is pretty much 1 to 1 cut scene to gameplay. You wanna pick at straws be my guest. I didn't see a single Jagg in my entire time playing MGS4. In the end I'll just point to the scoreboard cause that TEN speaks for itself.

i dont care about the cut-scene/gameplay difference, but when people say they are identical, then i have a problem with that incorrect statement. maybe some are playing on a sdtv or something, but its obvious to me. the cutscenes look much crisper than the actual gameplay

They look the same to me.

[QUOTE="Gamersince81"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

I know youtube's resolution dont do the game justice but here is what some of the CS too action is like.

**MAJOR MGS4 SPOILER**

I peed a little at this part and its one of my favorite parts of the game.

ogvampire

The lemmings will say thats all cutscenes lmao!!! That scene in 1080p was orgasmic!! No game transitions better than MGS4 from cut scene into gameplay.

you mean upscaled 1080p

1280x720 vs 1024x768

30fps > 25fps

GeOw>MGS4

In those two ways alone..Of course.:P

Jamiemydearx3

MGS4 10 > GeOw 9.6

see how that works ;)

EDIT: oops, i'm sorry if you was joke'n. I read the last line wrong lol

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

nah, maybe you should put your glasses on or something

Bread_or_Decide

I play games not graphics. If it bothers you that much then go write a letter to Kojima and see how much he cares. Its still way better than Gears whose cut scenes look way better than the gameplay. MGS4 is pretty much 1 to 1 cut scene to gameplay. You wanna pick at straws be my guest. I didn't see a single Jagg in my entire time playing MGS4. In the end I'll just point to the scoreboard cause that TEN speaks for itself.

i dont care about the cut-scene/gameplay difference, but when people say they are identical, then i have a problem with that incorrect statement. maybe some are playing on a sdtv or something, but its obvious to me. the cutscenes look much crisper than the actual gameplay

They look the same to me.

there is no way to prove this on a forum through words, people see what they want to see.

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Gamersince81"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

I know youtube's resolution dont do the game justice but here is what some of the CS too action is like.

**MAJOR MGS4 SPOILER**

I peed a little at this part and its one of my favorite parts of the game.

GARRYTH

The lemmings will say thats all cutscenes lmao!!! That scene in 1080p was orgasmic!! No game transitions better than MGS4 from cut scene into gameplay.

you mean upscaled 1080p

i didnt say it made it look worse or not, i was just correcting his statement

[QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

1280x720 vs 1024x768

30fps > 25fps

GeOw>MGS4

In those two ways alone..Of course.:P

FragTycoon

MGS4 10 > GeOw 9.6

see how that works ;)

THPS3 = MGS4 > GeoW

see how that doesnt work?

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Bread_or_Decide"][QUOTE="ogvampire"]

nah, maybe you should put your glasses on or something

Bread_or_Decide

I play games not graphics. If it bothers you that much then go write a letter to Kojima and see how much he cares. Its still way better than Gears whose cut scenes look way better than the gameplay. MGS4 is pretty much 1 to 1 cut scene to gameplay. You wanna pick at straws be my guest. I didn't see a single Jagg in my entire time playing MGS4. In the end I'll just point to the scoreboard cause that TEN speaks for itself.

i dont care about the cut-scene/gameplay difference, but when people say they are identical, then i have a problem with that incorrect statement. maybe some are playing on a sdtv or something, but its obvious to me. the cutscenes look much crisper than the actual gameplay

They look the same to me.

I agree if there is any difference it's VERY minor and I haven't noticed, I'm playing on a 40" 1080p Sony Bravia LCD.

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

1280x720 vs 1024x768

30fps > 25fps

GeOw>MGS4

In those two ways alone..Of course.:P

ogvampire

MGS4 10 > GeOw 9.6

see how that works ;)

THPS3 = MGS4 > GeoW

see how that doesnt work?

huh? was someone talking about "THPS3"? what is "TH" anyway? is that like "The PS3"?

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

1280x720 vs 1024x768

30fps > 25fps

GeOw>MGS4

In those two ways alone..Of course.:P

ogvampire

MGS4 10 > GeOw 9.6

see how that works ;)

THPS3 = MGS4 > GeoW

see how that doesnt work?

THPS3 was amazing for IT'S TIME, sure if MGS4 was out during that time, it would've been 20/10

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

1280x720 vs 1024x768

30fps > 25fps

GeOw>MGS4

In those two ways alone..Of course.:P

FragTycoon

MGS4 10 > GeOw 9.6

see how that works ;)

THPS3 = MGS4 > GeoW

see how that doesnt work?

huh? was someone talking about "THPS3"? what is "TH" anyway? is that like "The PS3"?

Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

1280x720 vs 1024x768

30fps > 25fps

GeOw>MGS4

In those two ways alone..Of course.:P

FragTycoon

MGS4 10 > GeOw 9.6

see how that works ;)

THPS3 = MGS4 > GeoW

see how that doesnt work?

huh? was someone talking about "THPS3"? what is "TH" anyway? is that like "The PS3"?

heh. thps3 is Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3, which also got a 10 here

alot of people dont agree with that score

[QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

1280x720 vs 1024x768

30fps > 25fps

GeOw>MGS4

In those two ways alone..Of course.:P

nuge004

MGS4 10 > GeOw 9.6

see how that works ;)

THPS3 = MGS4 > GeoW

see how that doesnt work?

THPS3 was amazing for IT'S TIME, sure if MGS4 was out during that time, it would've been 20/10

if you look at the 10's in gamespot history, THPS3 is the most debated

[QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"][QUOTE="Jamiemydearx3"]

1280x720 vs 1024x768

30fps > 25fps

GeOw>MGS4

In those two ways alone..Of course.:P

ogvampire

MGS4 10 > GeOw 9.6

see how that works ;)

THPS3 = MGS4 > GeoW

see how that doesnt work?

huh? was someone talking about "THPS3"? what is "TH" anyway? is that like "The PS3"?

heh. thps3 is Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3, which also got a 10 here

alot of people dont agree with that score

lol i totally missed that acronym lmao!

I don't agree with the scores also (check my ratings) I'm just pointing out that if you gonna number drop then self-ownage follows.

heh. thps3 is Tony Hawk Pro Skater 3, which also got a 10 here

alot of people dont agree with that score

FragTycoon

lol i totally missed that acronym lmao!

I don't agree with the scores also (check my ratings) I'm just pointing out that if you gonna number drop then self-ownage follows.

indeed. fair enough

Pre-rendered is different from real-time rendering.

FragTycoon

So, did you actualy play MGS4? MKLOL

I honestly think more people here complain about games they haven't played more than they actually play video games.

MGS looks better.

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/32438.html

[QUOTE="Gamersince81"][QUOTE="ogvampire"][QUOTE="Gamersince81"][QUOTE="FragTycoon"]

I know youtube's resolution dont do the game justice but here is what some of the CS too action is like.

**MAJOR MGS4 SPOILER**

I peed a little at this part and its one of my favorite parts of the game.

ogvampire

The lemmings will say thats all cutscenes lmao!!! That scene in 1080p was orgasmic!! No game transitions better than MGS4 from cut scene into gameplay.

you mean upscaled 1080p

Ok and does it matter? I laugh when people say stuff like that seriously.

then dont make incorrect statements

Upscaled 1080p is like watching standard definition on an hdtv. This generation is standard 720p and nothing more, for both x360 AND ps3. Next generation when things are NATIVE 1080p for ALL games is when the REAL HD consoles will be at hand.

So, did you actualy play MGS4? MKLOL

Looks like you have touched MGS4 a lot. I played both Gears and MGS4. MGS4's graphics is worse than Gears'Kikouken

Corrected!

fail, absolute fail. people should start reading reviews more often than just the score. how did anyone miss this from the review:

"It's impressive enough that these scenes look as good as any prerendered cinematic you've ever watched. It's even more amazing when those same scenes transition without pause into gameplay"

cutscene graphics = game graphics, ive noticed no difference, the detail ive seen in cutscenes is the detail ive seen in the game. for goodness sake controlling the mk 2 during mission briefings should be enough evidence for this!

So, did you actualy play MGS4? MKLOL

lmao i dont think he did

fail, absolute fail. people should start reading reviews more often than just the score. how did anyone miss this from the review:

"It's impressive enough that these scenes look as good as any prerendered cinematic you've ever watched. It's even more amazing when those same scenes transition without pause into gameplay"

cutscene graphics = game graphics, ive noticed no difference, the detail ive seen in cutscenes is the detail ive seen in the game. for goodness sake controlling the mk 2 during mission briefings should be enough evidence for this!

Arjdagr8

Well said.

There are only two pre-rendered cutscenes in the entire game. The graphical differene in-game vs. in cinematics is negligible. The fact that the transition is so seamless is a testament to the game's technological prowess.

The motorcycle chase in Act 3 switches continuously from gameplay to cinematics, and they have split-screen scenes in the game wih gameplay in one and cinematics in the other, and they look the same. The fact that the gameplay looks good enough to basically match the cutscenes is one of the game's major triumphs.

Sorry, Gears of war had great graphics for its time but todays standards it's just not very good. The draw distance sucks, there are alot of soft textures and frame rate really dips down at some points.

It's character models are still really good, though. But MGS4 is alot better, trust me.

ChrnoTrigger

ok wow ppl mgs4 won the BEST GRAPHICS award in spikes vga

and thats from ppl who sat a study the graphics in the games and found mgs4 to be the best i have played both and i like them both now i think

this is dumb why look at gears one to mgs4 gears 2 whould be a better thing to do

edit

look at this pagehttp://www.gamespot.com/best-of/special-achievement/index.html?page=4this is game stops winner for best graphics and mgs4 won

i have played both and do not own any one them i do not even have a system i played them at my best friends home

so this is a non fanboy(like the rest of you guys) perspective

ok wow ppl mgs4 won the BEST GRAPHICS award in spikes vga

and thats from ppl who sat a study the graphics in the games and found mgs4 to be the best whisnart

every MGS game has real time cutscenes

MGS4 looks better than gears 2, so get over it

Sure, the MGS4 cutscenes look like they are straight up out of a CGI movie (occasional framerate issues nonwithstanding), but to base this game's graphics on the cutscenes is just plain desperation.

The actual in-game MGS4 gameplay where you are actually controlling something, ranges from average to lackluster. Why is it that the hollow, scripted cutscenes are being used as the basis for this game's graphics? Should we start including pre-rendered video when comparing graphics next?

You put a Gears 1 in-game screenshot up to an MGS4 in-game screenshot, and MSG4 looks like a game made somewhere between this-gen and last-gen.

In MGS4's defense, when the game consists mostly of these cutscenes, and not the downgraded actual in-game gameplay graphics, does that make it ok to use the cutscenes to base the game's graphics?

WillieBeamish

100% agree, in fact MGS4 in game looks vastly worst, emptier and smaller than Gears 2, Fable 2, Mass Effect, Banjo 3 etc etc

Another guy who didnt play mgs4. The graphics are the same. They dont get better during cut scenes. blues35301

You people need to get over the fact that so many sites are choosing MGS4 for Best Graphics and not Gears 2.

How in the world is Gears 1 better than MGS4. Gears 1 looks horrible, and gears 2 looks exactly the same except with more greenery and light. I'm sorry but it is fact MGS4 destroys both Gears and the sad thing is Killzone 2 Destroys MGS4 graphically. Oh well the 360 is more fun at the moment. It s not about the graphics but the gameplay, which makes Games like fable 2 fun, even though they are average graphics.

I'm sorry but anyone who says the cut scenes in MGS4 had the same graphics quality as the gameplay is blind.Ilikemyname420

Yes the cutscenes are rendered with the game engine but since there is no ai or physics to handle and the chracters are normally taking up the whole scene its easier to render them with more polygons and better lighting. I cant remebeer exactly where I read it but it said the Snake in the cutscnes has alot more polygons in cutscene then in game.

The reason it can transition from cutscene to gameplay so well is because it probably uses a technique used by games like crysis where the level of detail on a character or environment depeds on the distance from that said object or character.

And yed ive played mgs, it has some nice character models but has some bland environments save for the 4th and 5th act.

So, did you actualy play MGS4? MKLOL

Apparently he did not :?