Insomniac: *Aaron Thomas Shouldn't Have Reviewed Ratchet & Clank*

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#1 Mystery_Writer
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it seems insomniac convinced themselves that Ratchet & Clank score of 7.5 at GS was due to Aaron Thomans' dislike to the platformer genre.

http://www.gametrailers.com/bonusround.php?ep=18&pt=1

so which side you're on; the journalist/editor, or the developer/publisher?

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#2 FireEmblem_Man
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So it seems that they still haven't accepted the score after all. They should be quiet and make more games than to worry about one score.
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#3 100Gamer
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lol, lemming dont cry that R&C is overated like cows do about halo
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#4 Solid-CELL
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didnt game informer give it a 9.0 or 9.5??? I thought it was overrated (in game informer)
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#5 TREAL_Since
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I agree with them, but in the end it's a 7.5, No way around it.

I wonder what people on these forums would say if GTA4 gets 8.0 on Game Spot and other sites give it 9's & 9.5's???

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#6 I_Helios_I
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Yes!! Tools of Destruction is an amazing game, presentation wise it's second to none and the gameplay is very, very solid. The series itself hasn't really changed much over the years but the game itself definitely deserved at least an 8.5.
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#7 Nike_Air
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Aaron rated it low compared to the average score , that is all I can say objectively. I think the Insomniacshave every right to be upset about a low score and the poorly written review, but they are acting in a childish manner about the whole situation imo.

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#8 Dante2710
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still whinning about the gs`s score.....? yikes
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#9 Funkyhamster
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Sheesh, are they really worrying about one review? Especially when the GS editorial team stands behind the review, and many people (including me) think it had many valid criticisms of the game.
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#10 cheapness1
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Well when I let my brother play it...(he's 19 and not exactly a platformer fan himself)...his exact words were "this is the best game ever!", while i don't completely agree with him it was an awesome game, I would say 7.5 was a little bit low maybe 8 - 8.5

anywayz can't wait for Resistance 2!

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#11 MoldOnHold
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Developers shouldn't complain about reviews of their games....it's sad really. Not everyone is going to like your product.

Insomniac should just put this matter behind them entirely...
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#12 numba1234
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Did anyone read the review, or just look at the number?
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#13 Wanderer5
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So it seems that they still haven't accepted the score after all. They should be quiet and make more games than to worry about one score.FireEmblem_Man

I agree.

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#14 Khanezhyray
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it seems insomniac convinced themselves that Ratchet & Clank score of 7.5 at GS was due to Aaron Thomans' dislike to the platformer genre.

http://www.gametrailers.com/bonusround.php?ep=18&pt=1

Do you guys believe R & C was underrated?

Mystery_Writer

Yes. Far underrated. It's platforming is only second to SMG's this year, and which is better of the two is based on opinion.

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#15 Shinobishyguy
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Bawwwww!!
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#16 nike_SB
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R&C is fun as hell, and 7.5 is way too low. it's ten times better than Ass Creed, which got a 9.0. also, RYNO 4ever > any gun ever made. The pirate jig > any other jig.
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#17 MoldOnHold
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Do you guys believe R & C was underrated?

Mystery_Writer

Absolutely. It was a wonderful experience, combining the solid formula of PS2 R&C with the power of the PS3. I'd give it a 9.0 actually.

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#18 numba1234
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Did anyone read the review? "Identity Crisis"

"This game is too easy"

"This game has too many features"

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#19 Shinobishyguy
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In all seriousness...I played a demo of it recently. It's definitely a game thats much funner to play than it is to watch.

I'd say from what I've played it was AA material to say the least.

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#20 Hoobinator
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January 24th: Aaron Thomas leaving Gamespot.
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#22 haziqonfire
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wow i didnt know he usually reviews sports games, nor did i know he said it has too much variety.

...

LOL.
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#23 Nike_Air
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January 24th: Aaron Thomas leaving Gamespot.Hoobinator
Is that a prediction or the truth ?

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#24 the_h_bomb
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hahaha what a bunch of babies. If they're going up against galaxy they should try making a game that isnt mediocre
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#25 haziqonfire
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]January 24th: Aaron Thomas leaving Gamespot.Nike_Air

Is that a prediction or the truth ?


Prediction i believe. I know Alex is leaving around then ..
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#26 Silenthps
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It seems alot of people here didn't even watch the episode. He wasn't complaining about the review score, he just said a sports reviewer shouldn't be reviewing a platformer.
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#27 numba1234
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]January 24th: Aaron Thomas leaving Gamespot.Nike_Air

Is that a prediction or the truth ?

Than gamespot will be redeemed.
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#28 Ibacai
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The points brought up are valid and I would have to say I agree with Insomniac. Does this change the 7.5? Nope, that's the score for good and that's ok. And to the people saying that Insomniac is whining or to suck it up....Watch the clip before writing ignorant posts. He's not whining in the clip and he asks valid questions.
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#29 Hoobinator
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[QUOTE="Hoobinator"]January 24th: Aaron Thomas leaving Gamespot.Nike_Air

Is that a prediction or the truth ?

:lol: You know it's a sad state of affairs when people even need to ask such a question.

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#30 the_h_bomb
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The points brought up are valid and I would have to say I agree with Insomniac. Does this change the 7.5? Nope, that's the score for good and that's ok. And to the people saying that Insomniac is whining or to suck it up....Watch the clip before writing ignorant posts. He's not whining in the clip and he asks valid questions.Ibacai

Gamespot made it perfectly clear that reviewers tend to request the games they are excited about. The fact that the reviewer likes sports games has no bearing on his view of platformers. and criticisng a game for lacking consistency is a perfectly valid complaint

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#31 SOedipus
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Wow, suck it up.Marth6781

Yea, didn't matter when Nintendrones complained about TP though.

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#32 Ibacai
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[QUOTE="Ibacai"]The points brought up are valid and I would have to say I agree with Insomniac. Does this change the 7.5? Nope, that's the score for good and that's ok. And to the people saying that Insomniac is whining or to suck it up....Watch the clip before writing ignorant posts. He's not whining in the clip and he asks valid questions.the_h_bomb

Gamespot made it perfectly clear that reviewers tend to request the games they are excited about. The fact that the reviewer likes sports games has no bearing on his view of platformers. and criticisng a game for lacking consistency is a perfectly valid complaint

Won't know unless GS comes out and says he requested the game. And if one reviews only a certain type of game their experience reviewing another genre is questionable. Having to much variety and a lack of consistency are not always the same things. The game does have a distinct uniform design. However there is nothing wrong with Aaron voicing his opinion (Too much variety = negative). But he can be questioned on it fairly as well.
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#33 SeptimusV_basic
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Has more to do with the review system.
But of course we have too many wise cracks in system wars who dont listen until its too late.

--- > GS better pay attention if they hope to not lose all of their reviewers.

The new system relies WAYYYYY TOO MUCH ON REVIEWER BIAS.

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#34 GunSmith1_basic
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gs's score is correct, maybe even too high.

the game has a lot of fat on it, and it is extremely shallow. But, it is a lot of fun too, just not excellent

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#35 The_Game21x
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My advice to Insomniac is simple.

Stop Crying. :|

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#37 SeptimusV_basic
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gs's score is correct, maybe even too high.

the game has a lot of fat on it, and it is extremely shallow. But, it is a lot of fun too, just not excellent

GunSmith1_basic

lol k

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#39 TacoJelly
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People review games the way they feel it should be reviewed. I've played a bit of it, not enough to review it, but there are two things I can say... It's not really a platformer, more like an action/shooter with platforming elements; and 2, it's most certainly not a 9.
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#40 Forza_2
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And to the people saying that Insomniac is whining or to suck it up....Watch the clip before writing ignorant posts. He's not whining in the clip and he asks valid questions.Ibacai
You are clearly biased. He was taking things out of context.

He even said he shouldn't be reviewing it because he reviews Sports games... seriously. If that's not whining, then what is whining ?

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#41 PBSnipes
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I have lost all respect for Insomniac. I could understand them complaining when the review first came out because GS is obviously a major reviewer and the 7.5 probably had a negative effect on sales, but will someone tell them to quit *****ing like a bunch of 5 year olds about how unfair life is and move on?
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#42 Ibacai
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[QUOTE="Ibacai"]And to the people saying that Insomniac is whining or to suck it up....Watch the clip before writing ignorant posts. He's not whining in the clip and he asks valid questions.Forza_2

You are clearly biased. He was taking things out of context.

He even said he shouldn't be reviewing it because he reviews Sports games... seriously. If that's not whining, then what is whining ?

Whining would be asking for a score change or to be be saying everything was wrong as fact. He wasn't demanding a change or just saying the score was too low. It wasn't the number that mattered. I would say the first time Insomniac brought this up (They didn't this time) it was more like whining (The jokes). And again I thought every question he asked was valid. What was out of context?
I have lost all respect for Insomniac. I could understand them complaining when the review first came out because GS is obviously a major reviewer and the 7.5 probably had a negative effect on sales, but will someone tell them to quit *****ing like a bunch of 5 year olds about how unfair life is and move on?PBSnipes
Though it would be better to let it drop it was the host that brought it up, not Insomniac.
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#43 Heil68
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I agree, he's a horrible reviewer who shouldn't be in the business.
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#45 NAPK1NS
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I'm with Insomniac. Future was a AAA game, no way around it.
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#46 Forza_2
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And again I thought every question he asked was valid. What was out of context?Ibacai
You seriously believe that because he mostly reviews Sports games that he doesn't know about any other genre ?

The variety comment. He clearly didn't mean that too much variety is a bad thing. But when it's not done properly, it can be easily bad in games.

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#47 espoac
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You guys are clearly taking what he said out of context. They were already on the subject and then Geoff Keighly asked Schneider about the Gamespot Ratchet and Clank review. Schneider didn't bring it up. The criticisms that he made were completely valid. A person who doesn't have experince reviewing platformers shouldn't be reviewing such a high profile platformer. He also criticized the fact that Aaron Thomas criticized Ratchet and Clank for having too much variety-which is absurd.

It was not in any way whining. Lemmings making multiplae topics about how unfair the Mass Effect review was is, however, whining.

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#49 Javy03
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Did anyone actually watch the video. People are commenting as if he went out on a rant about the GS score out of nowhere when that wasnt the case. The host asked the Insomniac marketer how they handle bad reviews and then brought up the GS review and wanted him to comment on that example. What he said was fair and echoed what the other female marketer on the show believed, that as a marketing team they would not want thier platformer title to be reviewed by someone who primarily reviews and prefers sports games and visa versa.

They basically want as fair a review as possible as marketers they prefer that a game be reviewed by reviewers who like that genre or style of game. This truth echoes in the infamous comment "Rachet had too much variety". There is a reason why GS was one of the lone low scores while others rated it much higher on average.

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#50 PBSnipes
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[QUOTE="PBSnipes"]I have lost all respect for Insomniac. I could understand them complaining when the review first came out because GS is obviously a major reviewer and the 7.5 probably had a negative effect on sales, but will someone tell them to quit *****ing like a bunch of 5 year olds about how unfair life is and move on?Ibacai
Though it would be better to let it drop it was the host that brought it up, not Insomniac.

But still, he should have just said "It's his [Aaron Thomas] opinion. We're obviously dissapointed in the score but at the end of the day you can't make everyone happy" or something like that. Instead he decided to into specifics (namely commenting on whether or not Thomas should have been reviewing the title), which is petty and dissapointing.