Intel releasing dedicated GPU 2022

https://www.anandtech.com/show/16886/intel-video-cards-get-a-brand-name-arc-coming-q1-2022

I'm pretty excited about this, in fact i've called intel borderline mentally handicapped for not entering the GPU game 15 years ago. If they followed my advice, nvidia wouldn't have gotten so big in the first place, and now even threatening them with the arm acquisition. AMD has been ass all this time, they couldn't compete with nvidia because of bad brand reputation, and this has allowed nvidia to profit to very high levels.

Now that intel is entering the game, nvidia is about to get its lunch stolen. Intel is far more capable than AMD is. Another benefit for everyone is that intel has its own chip foundries and can hopefully relieve some of the demand for gpus.

Its going to be interesting, and personally I just bought some intel stock because I have high expectations of them.

@blaznwiipspman1: it's going to be interesting, but I think you are giving Intel much too much credit. You seem to be forgetting they've been making graphical processing silicon already, and that AMD and Nvidia both actually got where they are by consuming and crushing opposition. The market used to have a lot of GPU manufacturers.

Not saying Intel can't do it, and I welcome more competition to be sure. Especially if it counteracts the skyrocketing costs and supply problems. But they have a lot to prove

Intel has a been a meme in the cpu space for years now. Their gpu's have a chance of being just that. I do hope they make quality gpu's, tho. Nvidia needs competition AND I NEED A GOD DAMN GPU ffs.

yeah definitely keeping an eye on them. it will be great to have more competition in the GPU space. their own take on FSR/DLSS also looks interesing (XeSS). Open source drivers on the linux side is also sweet and definitely puts them on the radar for my next GPU purchase (since the idea of buying a 6800XT is a comical non runner at the moment :( ).

I dont expect them to kill Nvidias and AMDs finest day one (though it would be nice if they did) but hopefully they get enough traction to make it worthwhile.

The other area where they could get a lot of interest is around the 200-250 mark. if they released a convincing RX580/GTX1060 killer around 200-250 bucks they could steal a very nice march. those cards have aged a little too well at this point :P. though at the moment filthy miners and scalpers will probably still snap them up at record speed :(.

But yeah I think it just dawned on intel a few years ago that just being in the CPU business isn't really going to do it. they also need to be able to offer a more complete platform for both data centers and other hardware vendors. i mean why arent any of the consoles using intel hardware? why doesnt the steam deck use intel hardware? lacking a GPU option. thats basically it.

I must be one of the few who remembers the 740.

Anyway, a bit late in the game. I'll be impressed if their fastest card can match the RTX 3070. Also, drivers will make or break it. Are Intel really willing to update and certify their drivers as frequently as NVIDIA and AMD do? I'm dubious.

Still, competition is welcome. Though it does make wonder what Larrabee would have been like.

Only Zen 2 has been real competition to Intel when it comes to gaming.

Before that, intel held the crown.

Intel GPU team is full of old GCN AMD bois, I have serious doubts of their abilities.

It would be interesting regardless of the outcome.

Should watch the DF interview, more or less insinuated that it will have an advantage with their own CPU.

@R4gn4r0k: in recent years, yes. But not in the longer history of CPUs. Intel held a lock on things for a while, but hasn't always been the obvious/only choice, and isn't now either (unless you are a real high end junkie)

Old news, Intel was supposed to release the GPUs back in 2020 which they missed and their chief architect is the same guy who was responsible for the clusterf*ck known as GCN at AMD. They are not going to threaten Nvidia or even AMD for a while.

@pc_rocks: yeah but the difference between amd and Intel is that Intel has a boat load of cash to do the research, add the features. They won't need to do catchup with Nvidia like sad amd has been doing. Like I said, I wanted Intel to get into the gpu space almost 2 decades ago, and if they did, Nvidia wouldn't be where it is right now.

They only entered gpu because they're being seriously threatened from arm on all sides and even AMD to a smaller extent. Big blue got far too comfortable and let a bug like Nvidia sneak up on them. Hopefully they're awake now.

@fedor: amd makes profit of around $150 million an year, compared to Nvidia that makes some $6 billion or so. Intel generated around $40 billion in 2020. Intel will be a much fairer fight against nvidia than AMD ever was.

I've been seeing 6700 XTs available. But, that's practically settling if you're looking for 30 series card.

@xantufrog: you're not giving Intel enough credit. I mean, up to this point Intel has mainly focused on igpu. They're finally stepping into the dedicated gpu market, and thats a totally different beast.

@blaznwiipspman1: what part of my post didn't give them enough credit?

@xantufrog: the first sentence haha

ABOUT DAMN TIME! Jesus been waiting for this for like forever.

I'm excited about it too but I think you are don't give Nvidia and AMD enough credit; they make good hardware and have a lot of options, the only issue right now is this damned shortage and the miners, otherwise we'd be living in glorious times.

I also have high expectations, but it's also going to be an uphill battle. Been waiting for this day for a long time, though 😎👍

Yeah, agree with all that.

Yeah, the software is where I am concerned. Nvidia has really done well in that arena and while I don't have an AMD card, the whole "AMD Drivers are shit" curse seems to have lifted (though I might be mistaken lol).

@blaznwiipspman1: lol

AMD may have been good back in the days until the Bulldozer almost killed AMD financially. When 1st gen of Ryzen came along, it took a long time to get everyone notice AMD is slowly making a combat and after my full experience with R7 2700X, I was truly amazed they really came through and from that point on, I'll never go back to Intel's CPU. I gotta say, R5 5600X is amazing, it handles everything I throw at it!

AMD is just lucky the Bulldozer didn't finish the company if ever.

it has.

i see more issues on team green side in there forums. now.

@davillain-: you know, though, even though it looked bad on paper, my Phenom II was fine. I used it for a long long time, and I can't say I was ever like "this goddam CPU!". I remember Bassman or someone posted TW3 benchmarks at one point to show me how bad it should be - but the benchmarks were flat out wrong. I was getting much better average frames. It was a mediocre CPU, but it did what I paid it to do 😝

@blaznwiipspman1:

Money can't just magically replaces decades of lead and experience that Nvidia and AMD have. Even with everything working as ideally as it could it would be years before Intel becomes any kind of serious competitor.

Intel missed the boat when they didn't buy Nvidia like AMD did with ATI but it all turned out to be better as if that happened we would have even less competition.

@pc_rocks: money can buy anything in this world. Nvidia does offer dsl but Intel will be offering a version called xess that does the same thing and uses machine learning/AI. Even AMD doesn't offer something like that...its not because they can't but because consumers are stupid and have been backing nvidia to such a degree that AMD has been starved for cash, unable to invest in the technology and research. Intel is a completely different beast from AMD. Theres nowhere to hide for nvidia and frankly they have the most to lose from this, not AMD. Guess nvidia should have stayed in their lane instead of buying up arm and trying to threaten Intel. I'm hoping AMD survives though.

Keep dreaming. Oh and LOL DSL! I see a AMD fanboy that's mad the AMD GPUs suck and hoping that Intel would be able to do where AMD failed.

who wouldn't hope for intel to succeed? Unless you're an nvidia fanboy happy to get milked for $3k gpus? A gpu shouldn't cost more than $800 max, and hopefully intel brings us closer to that goal. Nvidia gotten fat off stupid consumers, and boy there are a ton of stupid consumers out there. Their cash cow is about to end.

We don't know how well Intel GPUs are going to perform. Intel has the capacity to outpace the competition. Intel is not some random company that is entirely new to the scene. So, let us not act as if they are.

The global market share is owned by Intel and always will be Intel. Don't believe it will be much of an impact if they did something. I myself am going to hold out for one, I think they will out price AMD and Nvidia.

Aah, another GPU that offers minimal improvements in actual gameplay at an inflated cross that also further occupies the limited availability of the raw materials. On most games you can completely disable anti aliasing, see zero difference in graphics, and be able to play a game fully on 2 generation old hardware as well as the modern components running enhancement features that offer no real improvements.

Such a wasteful industry.

You make it sound like it is easy. "if only intel clapped their hands and pulled a gpu out of their ass".

Intel have been Researching and developing GPUs for a very long time.

"Larrabee" was meant to release in 2010.

The Nvidia GPUs we enjoy today is a culmination of decades of research into many areas of GPUs. For example, the efficiency of Maxwell came from research into mobile GPUs.

Yeah, not holding my breath on an Intel GPU. I'd be happy to be pleasantly surprised.

I don't know how good their GPU is going to be.. but one thing I know their AI / neural super sampling looks better than AMD FSR and just as good as NVIDIA DLSS.

Console makers love crap GPU's maybe they will buy this one for their next console cheap from intel.

1st gens/iterations of anything are usually blunders. I'd just wait for their 2nd gen GPUs.

@tumorstation5: yes, and thats what happens when a company makes 40 billion an year in profit enters the scene. Much more resources available for R&D. AMD has been starved for it, and while they put up a good fight due to all the stupid consumers out there buying nvidia, there is only so much they can do with 200million or so in profit.

Actually it looks like AMD profit improved by a huge amount from 2019 to 2020. Pre 2020, their profit was around 300 million or so tops. In 2020 it jumped to 2 billion. So yes even AMD has decent resources now. Nothing compared to Intel though and still behind nvidia.

Hoping a company to succeed is different than hoping their competitor gets destroyed. Your case is the later one. But then again I'm on SW so I should have expected that. No wonder console fanboys who consequently have to be AMD fanboys like you wants Nvidia to be crushed because they make both AMD and consoles look like outdated toys.

As I said keep dreaming.

@pc_rocks: hey, I never said anything about nvidia being destroyed. I still want them there, because more competitors is always better. I just want nvidia to get their ass kicked, put in their place and to be humbled. Nvidia sucks ass...they just had a bigger research budget because of all the dumb fanboys and then they used that money to fund their gimmicky features and justify $3k gpus. Intel just entered the game and they already announced ray tracing, machine learning and their own version of dsl. Its about time the gpu industry got real competition because frankly for the past couple of years AMD has been starved of cash and not able to fully compete with nvidia. AMD only started pulling in serious profits from 2020. I think their next gpu will be pretty awesome too.

Another win for LordC

I agree that ARC will be good for PC gaming but AMD has not been ass. Ryzen is kicking Intels ass and albeit barely available at all, AMD currently sells the fastest GPU, the 6900XTX.

I will become interested only after I know about rasterization performance, power consumption, AI resolution scaling, and ray tracing performance.

Would definitely be cool to have more than AMD and Nvidia to choose from. Everyone who cares about having the best shit goes with Nvidia. Everyone who wants to have almost as good shit, but less support and cheaper price goes with AMD.

I like AMD's Ryzen CPUs though.

@blaznwiipspman1: It's on AMD for manufacturing everything at TSMC, so their GPU supply is even worse than nvidia's. As a result it just would not matter how good AMD could get vs. nvidia, and how many people would then want to buy their GPUs, when they just don't the actual hardware in stores.

Nice, another gpu there won’t ever be available anywhere!

@djoffer123: Intel has their own foundries to make chips. Unlike everyone else that relies on tsmc. I mean yes it might still be an issue getting supply but Intel is a beast, never underestimate them.