Iraq war and its influence on declining 360 sales relative to the PS3

I read recently about how people in foreign countries peceive the United States. I was surprised how the US was viewed rather negatively by the world. A lot of the negativity was due to how the US handles Iraq, the arrogance of it all.

I know the 360 will have a hard time in Japan regardless of the war. But in Europe, 360 sales are declining rapidly relative to the PS3. Could it be because of the Iraq war? To me, the war plays a role. A small role or a large one? I am not sure.

I read recently about how people in foreign countries peceive the United States. I was surprised how the US was viewed rather negatively by the world. A lot of the negativity was due to how the US handles Iraq, the arrogance of it all.

Negative perception of America = negative perception of the 360?

I know the 360 will have a hard time in Japan regardless of the war. But in Europe, 360 sales are declining rapidly relative to the PS3. Could it be because of the Iraq war? To me, the war plays a role. A small role or a large one? I am not sure.

UPDATE: The world actually likes China more than the US. I am shocked. here's a link--there's a chart at the bottom of the page ranking countries by positive, negative views. http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbccntryview08/

Other parts of the world hated U.S. even before the war. Maybe the fact that in terms of quality hardware, the 360 is complete crap, they think everything that comes from the U.S. sucks. American cars are terrible toof50p90

That a better point....Even the IPOD is having problems right now because of using cheaper parts.

Europeans don't buy American products because they are wusses? Don't hate me cause I said that I just don't see how it connects, I am trying to make a point not bash europeans. I mean many many countries buy from China and they have alot worse.

Europeans don't buy American products because they are wusses? Don't hate me cause I said that I just don't see how it connects, I am trying to make a point not bash europeans. I mean many many countries buy from China and they have done alot worse.

In Sweden the majority of people think americans are stupid and don't know anything about the world outside the U.S.

Here's a great example of american stupidity: http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/laws01.html

[QUOTE="f50p90"]Other parts of the world hated U.S. even before the war. Maybe the fact that in terms of quality hardware, the 360 is complete crap, they think everything that comes from the U.S. sucks. American cars are terrible tooHarlockJC

That a better point....Even the IPOD is having problems right now because of using cheaper parts.

Europeans don't buy American products because they are wusses? Don't hate me cause I said that I just don't see how it connects, I am trying to make a point not bash europeans. I mean many many countries buy from China and they have alot worse.

the1stfandb

The thing is, many European countries like China more than the US! I was really surprised to read that.

Europeans don't buy American products because they are wusses? Don't hate me cause I said that I just don't see how it connects, I am trying to make a point not bash europeans. I mean many many countries buy from China and they have alot worse.

the1stfandb

The thing is, many European countries like China more than the US! I was really surprised to read that...actually the world likes China more than the US!!!

http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbccntryview08/

Stupid gamespot for not letting you edit.

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/laws01.htm *

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]Other parts of the world hated U.S. even before the war. Maybe the fact that in terms of quality hardware, the 360 is complete crap, they think everything that comes from the U.S. sucks. American cars are terrible toof50p90

That a better point....Even the IPOD is having problems right now because of using cheaper parts.

It is true Toyota makes more cars in the US then any other company

Stupid gamespot for not letting you edit.

http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/~jimella/laws01.htm *

3XRatedlocc

atleast Americans know how to post a link.

I read recently about how people in foreign countries peceive the United States. I was surprised how the US was viewed rather negatively by the world. A lot of the negativity was due to how the US handles Iraq, the arrogance of it all.

Negative perception of America = negative perception of the 360?

I know the 360 will have a hard time in Japan regardless of the war. But in Europe, 360 sales are declining rapidly relative to the PS3. Could it be because of the Iraq war? To me, the war plays a role. A small role or a large one? I am not sure.

Sihanouk

????? the negative perception of america. not just the war in the middle east my friend. you can also add denying 3rd world countries aid and refusing to wipe debt, carbon emissions, bully boy tactics in industry, us companies buying water rights of poor countries, decimating natural habitats for fossil fuels etc etc,and this is coming from a friend of america! imagine what the people who hate you must think! but stop. this is sw wars not political debate. so to your question. hell no

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]Other parts of the world hated U.S. even before the war. Maybe the fact that in terms of quality hardware, the 360 is complete crap, they think everything that comes from the U.S. sucks. American cars are terrible tooHarlockJC

That a better point....Even the IPOD is having problems right now because of using cheaper parts.

It is true Toyota makes more cars in the US then any other company

There must be something wrong with me, because I find it hard to care what any of Europe thinks about America.

But, as to the topic I don't see why Europeans would stop buying something made in China because the corporation that sells it is based in the US.

:lol: What about these block buster Hollywood movies about wars? It still sells well on these countries you talk about, and some are even bootleg. Just like Bush saying Saddaam had something to do with 911, the Iraq war and 360 sales, has no kind of connection. :lol: Can't wait for Bush to get out the office though.

I read recently about how people in foreign countries peceive the United States. I was surprised how the US was viewed rather negatively by the world. A lot of the negativity was due to how the US handles Iraq, the arrogance of it all.

Negative perception of America = negative perception of the 360?

I know the 360 will have a hard time in Japan regardless of the war. But in Europe, 360 sales are declining rapidly relative to the PS3. Could it be because of the Iraq war? To me, the war plays a role. A small role or a large one? I am not sure.

UPDATE: here's a link http://www.globescan.com/news_archives/bbccntryview08/

Sihanouk

That explains why the rest of the world is no longer supporting Walmart, Coke, AMerican music acts, American movies, McDonalds, etc.

Oh wait...they are.

No. People aren't supporting the 360 for other reasons we can't really be certain of. I suspect it is because they 360 is targeted to really only appeal to American gamers who prefer PC but are willing to buy at least one console...and, of course, people who only care about playing console FPS online.

While the 360 has done a decent job of trying to broaden its game library, it is still nowhere close to the range, size and diversity offered by the PS1 and PS2. People still view it as the FPS, Arcade Racer console. MS should be working overtime to overcome that image, but they spend all their time and money promoting XBL...which is mainly used for FPS and Arcade Racers.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I read recently about how people in foreign countries peceive the United States. I was surprised how the US was viewed rather negatively by the world. A lot of the negativity was due to how the US handles Iraq, the arrogance of it all.

Negative perception of America = negative perception of the 360?

I know the 360 will have a hard time in Japan regardless of the war. But in Europe, 360 sales are declining rapidly relative to the PS3. Could it be because of the Iraq war? To me, the war plays a role. A small role or a large one? I am not sure.

geordie73

????? the negative perception of america. not just the war in the middle east my friend. you can also add denying 3rd world countries aid and refusing to wipe debt, carbon emissions, bully boy tactics in industry, us companies buying water rights of poor countries, decimating natural habitats for fossil fuels etc etc,and this is coming from a friend of america! imagine what the people who hate you must think! but stop. this is sw wars not political debate. so to your question. hell no

Hello world community, would the first nation to have never commited an atrocity please stand up.

...

Nobody? Really?

Ok then, everybody can go back to ethnically cleansing their populations and invading your neighbors on flimsy pretexts.

Hello world community, would the first nation to have never commited an atrocity please stand up.

...

Nobody? Really?

Ok then, thanks for participating, everybody can go back to ethnically cleansing their populations and invading your neighbors on flimsy pretexts.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]Other parts of the world hated U.S. even before the war. Maybe the fact that in terms of quality hardware, the 360 is complete crap, they think everything that comes from the U.S. sucks. American cars are terrible toof50p90

That a better point....Even the IPOD is having problems right now because of using cheaper parts.

Last time I checked there is a city called Detroit where Chevy and Fords are made, and secondly the only reason japanese cars are manufactured in the U.S. is because market is strong for them and not only that its heck of a lot easier to make them here then to have to worry about shipping the cars over seas.

There must be something wrong with me, because I find it hard to care what any of Europe thinks about America.

Canvas_Of_Flesh

and thats were the problem lies, but not just europe, the entire world (cos there is one outside of america). can i ask a question, when did a team from a country other than america win the world series?:P

That explains why the rest of the world is no longer supporting Walmart, Coke, AMerican music acts, American movies, McDonalds, etc.

Oh wait...they are.

No. People aren't supporting the 360 for other reasons we can't really be certain of. I suspect it is because they 360 is targeted to really only appeal to American gamers who prefer PC but are willing to buy at least one console...and, of course, people who only care about playing console FPS online.

While the 360 has done a decent job of trying to broaden its game library, it is still nowhere close to the range, size and diversity offered by the PS1 and PS2. People still view it as the FPS, Arcade Racer console. MS should be working overtime to overcome that image, but they spend all their time and money promoting XBL...which is mainly used for FPS and Arcade Racers.

ZIMdoom

This post should have ended this thread.

[QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]Other parts of the world hated U.S. even before the war. Maybe the fact that in terms of quality hardware, the 360 is complete crap, they think everything that comes from the U.S. sucks. American cars are terrible tooHarlockJC

That a better point....Even the IPOD is having problems right now because of using cheaper parts.

It is true Toyota makes more cars in the US then any other company

It is true that more foreign cars are manufactured in the US now, but the reason is because of trade agreements with other countries. But the quality control methods are still in place in these factories that were in there home land. I am American and I would rather by something from other countries than I would from here in the US. My choise of automobiles are Acura/Honda over any of the big three.

As for the hate of the US in some regions and religious groups this has been going on for years. The religious fanatics have been trying to bomb the World Trade Center for years before 9/11. I don't think the Iraq war is making that much of a difference in world views because there are a lot of smaller countries that are trying to help fund the war with there money and troops.

Japan is one of the big supporters with funds on the war against terrorist groups that last I heard.

The main reason some things made in the US don't meet the quality of other products from other countries and many people around the world knows this and they refuse to buy the products.

[QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I read recently about how people in foreign countries peceive the United States. I was surprised how the US was viewed rather negatively by the world. A lot of the negativity was due to how the US handles Iraq, the arrogance of it all.

Negative perception of America = negative perception of the 360?

I know the 360 will have a hard time in Japan regardless of the war. But in Europe, 360 sales are declining rapidly relative to the PS3. Could it be because of the Iraq war? To me, the war plays a role. A small role or a large one? I am not sure.

geordie73

????? the negative perception of america. not just the war in the middle east my friend. you can also add denying 3rd world countries aid and refusing to wipe debt, carbon emissions, bully boy tactics in industry, us companies buying water rights of poor countries, decimating natural habitats for fossil fuels etc etc,and this is coming from a friend of america! imagine what the people who hate you must think! but stop. this is sw wars not political debate. so to your question. hell no

The need for Fossil Fuels is a reason to hate America? Well you better put China up on your hate list because they use quite a bit themselves, and with the economic growth driving up fast and with that amount of people living there they could surpass the U.S. We don't help 3rd world countries? Why don't the third world countries get a decent government in that knows hows to apply the rule of law and they wouldn't be so poor, you ever hear of corruption? Bully Boy tactics? Don't give me that crap about decimating natural habitats, every damn country in the world needs resources and they are going to do whatever it takes to get them. :|

I live in the french part of Canada and while I don't approuve the american politics, I think the people who live in the us are pretty nice and friendly. They should give a boost to the education system though, I have in mind the youtube video where they asked some random people on street where is Iran and they pointed Australia...Franko_3

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5151221932788461697&q=Stupid+American+people%3F&total=786&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

to prove my point, about the school system there

sheesh, do fanboys actually play games or do u just sit around all day trying to come up with ways to bash the 360?

get a life.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]Other parts of the world hated U.S. even before the war. Maybe the fact that in terms of quality hardware, the 360 is complete crap, they think everything that comes from the U.S. sucks. American cars are terrible toojimm895

That a better point....Even the IPOD is having problems right now because of using cheaper parts.

It is true Toyota makes more cars in the US then any other company

It is true that more foreign cars are manufactured in the US now, but the reason is because of trade agreements with other countries. But the quality control methods are still in place in these factories that were in there home land. I am American and I would rather by something from other countries than I would from here in the US. My choise of automobiles are Acura/Honda over any of the big three.

As for the hate of the US in some regions and religious groups this has been going on for years. The religious fanatics have been trying to bomb the World Trade Center for years before 9/11. I don't think the Iraq war is making that much of a difference in world views because there are a lot of smaller countries that are trying to help fund the war with there money and troops.

Japan is one of the big supporters with funds on the war against terrorist groups that last I heard.

The main reason some things made in the US don't meet the quality of other products from other countries and many people around the world knows this and they refuse to buy the products.

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]Other parts of the world hated U.S. even before the war. Maybe the fact that in terms of quality hardware, the 360 is complete crap, they think everything that comes from the U.S. sucks. American cars are terrible toojimm895

That a better point....Even the IPOD is having problems right now because of using cheaper parts.

It is true Toyota makes more cars in the US then any other company

It is true that more foreign cars are manufactured in the US now, but the reason is because of trade agreements with other countries. But the quality control methods are still in place in these factories that were in there home land. I am American and I would rather by something from other countries than I would from here in the US. My choise of automobiles are Acura/Honda over any of the big three.

As for the hate of the US in some regions and religious groups this has been going on for years. The religious fanatics have been trying to bomb the World Trade Center for years before 9/11. I don't think the Iraq war is making that much of a difference in world views because there are a lot of smaller countries that are trying to help fund the war with there money and troops.

Japan is one of the big supporters with funds on the war against terrorist groups that last I heard.

The main reason some things made in the US don't meet the quality of other products from other countries and many people around the world knows this and they refuse to buy the products.

[QUOTE="Franko_3"]I live in the french part of Canada and while I don't approuve the american politics, I think the people who live in the us are pretty nice and friendly. They should give a boost to the education system though, I have in mind the youtube video where they asked some random people on street where is Iran and they pointed Australia...Franko_3

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5151221932788461697&q=Stupid+American+people%3F&total=786&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

to prove my point, about the school system there

Nice subject change!!

The usa shcool system at least for grade shcool is retarded and now to make it seem less retard they are trying to restrict/control homeshcooling in many parts of the US because its makes public shcools look like crushed poptart crust.

[QUOTE="Franko_3"]I live in the french part of Canada and while I don't approuve the american politics, I think the people who live in the us are pretty nice and friendly. They should give a boost to the education system though, I have in mind the youtube video where they asked some random people on street where is Iran and they pointed Australia...Franko_3

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=-5151221932788461697&q=Stupid+American+people%3F&total=786&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

to prove my point, about the school system there

Nice subject change!!

The usa shcool system at least for grade shcool is retarded and now to make it seem less retard they are trying to restrict/control homeshcooling in many parts of the US because its makes public shcools look like crushed poptart crust.

Edit: hey look i spelled school wrong because I am American!

Yeah TC I mean Japan knew the U.S. was going into Iraq again even in 2001 so they stayed away from the original Xbox and well now that we are there - they won't buy 360. :roll:

To heck with blame America first crowds they all can......... well you can guess for yourself what I think they should do especially as you say, they like China better and heck lets through the new revived USSR in there as well ! :?

Don't get me started - please.

Yeah TC I mean Japan knew the U.S. was going into Iraq again even in 2001 so they stayed away from the original Xbox and well now that we are there - they won't buy 360. :roll:

To heck with blame America first crowds they all can......... well you can guess for yourself what I think they should do especially as you say, they like China better and heck lets throw the new revived USSR in there as well ! :?

Don't get me started - please.

[QUOTE="jimm895"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"][QUOTE="f50p90"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]

[QUOTE="f50p90"]Other parts of the world hated U.S. even before the war. Maybe the fact that in terms of quality hardware, the 360 is complete crap, they think everything that comes from the U.S. sucks. American cars are terrible toof50p90

That a better point....Even the IPOD is having problems right now because of using cheaper parts.

It is true Toyota makes more cars in the US then any other company

It is true that more foreign cars are manufactured in the US now, but the reason is because of trade agreements with other countries. But the quality control methods are still in place in these factories that were in there home land. I am American and I would rather by something from other countries than I would from here in the US. My choise of automobiles are Acura/Honda over any of the big three.

As for the hate of the US in some regions and religious groups this has been going on for years. The religious fanatics have been trying to bomb the World Trade Center for years before 9/11. I don't think the Iraq war is making that much of a difference in world views because there are a lot of smaller countries that are trying to help fund the war with there money and troops.

Japan is one of the big supporters with funds on the war against terrorist groups that last I heard.

The main reason some things made in the US don't meet the quality of other products from other countries and many people around the world knows this and they refuse to buy the products.

America Trucks still sell very well around the world just the cars don't do sell well

[QUOTE="geordie73"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I read recently about how people in foreign countries peceive the United States. I was surprised how the US was viewed rather negatively by the world. A lot of the negativity was due to how the US handles Iraq, the arrogance of it all.

Negative perception of America = negative perception of the 360?

I know the 360 will have a hard time in Japan regardless of the war. But in Europe, 360 sales are declining rapidly relative to the PS3. Could it be because of the Iraq war? To me, the war plays a role. A small role or a large one? I am not sure.

xscrapzx

????? the negative perception of america. not just the war in the middle east my friend. you can also add denying 3rd world countries aid and refusing to wipe debt, carbon emissions, bully boy tactics in industry, us companies buying water rights of poor countries, decimating natural habitats for fossil fuels etc etc,and this is coming from a friend of america! imagine what the people who hate you must think! but stop. this is sw wars not political debate. so to your question. hell no

The need for Fossil Fuels is a reason to hate America? Well you better put China up on your hate list because they use quite a bit themselves, and with the economic growth driving up fast and with that amount of people living there they could surpass the U.S. We don't help 3rd world countries? Why don't the third world countries get a decent government in that knows hows to apply the rule of law and they wouldn't be so poor, you ever hear of corruption? Bully Boy tactics? Don't give me that crap about decimating natural habitats, every damn country in the world needs resources and they are going to do whatever it takes to get them. :|

fine and good...go to Holland or London and count how many gas guzzling SUVs you see there. then compare that to US consumption. and i'm sure its really easy for a starving 3rd world family of four to overthrow a military dictatorship? wrong. we couldn't even do that with Iraq. so go take your right wing overgeneralizations elsewhere.

A whole new definition for System WAR.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="geordie73"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I read recently about how people in foreign countries peceive the United States. I was surprised how the US was viewed rather negatively by the world. A lot of the negativity was due to how the US handles Iraq, the arrogance of it all.

Negative perception of America = negative perception of the 360?

I know the 360 will have a hard time in Japan regardless of the war. But in Europe, 360 sales are declining rapidly relative to the PS3. Could it be because of the Iraq war? To me, the war plays a role. A small role or a large one? I am not sure.

clone01

????? the negative perception of america. not just the war in the middle east my friend. you can also add denying 3rd world countries aid and refusing to wipe debt, carbon emissions, bully boy tactics in industry, us companies buying water rights of poor countries, decimating natural habitats for fossil fuels etc etc,and this is coming from a friend of america! imagine what the people who hate you must think! but stop. this is sw wars not political debate. so to your question. hell no

The need for Fossil Fuels is a reason to hate America? Well you better put China up on your hate list because they use quite a bit themselves, and with the economic growth driving up fast and with that amount of people living there they could surpass the U.S. We don't help 3rd world countries? Why don't the third world countries get a decent government in that knows hows to apply the rule of law and they wouldn't be so poor, you ever hear of corruption? Bully Boy tactics? Don't give me that crap about decimating natural habitats, every damn country in the world needs resources and they are going to do whatever it takes to get them. :|

fine and good...go to Holland or London and count how many gas guzzling SUVs you see there. then compare that to US consumption. and i'm sure its really easy for a starving 3rd world family of four to overthrow a military dictatorship? wrong. we couldn't even do that with Iraq. so go take your right wing overgeneralizations elsewhere.

Are you really going to sit here and try to compare a country that is about the size of New England in the United States and compare it to the entire consumption of the U.S? You are kidding right? Secondly never did I say it would be easy for a 3rd world family of four overthrow a military dictatorship, I stated a fact the reason they are poor is because of corruption, and even if we wanted to go and help them. We would probably get shot at because the government wants to have that type of control over its people, or because we are hated. Actually we did do that with Iraq (Is suddam still in control?).

[QUOTE="geordie73"][QUOTE="Sihanouk"]

I read recently about how people in foreign countries peceive the United States. I was surprised how the US was viewed rather negatively by the world. A lot of the negativity was due to how the US handles Iraq, the arrogance of it all.

Negative perception of America = negative perception of the 360?

I know the 360 will have a hard time in Japan regardless of the war. But in Europe, 360 sales are declining rapidly relative to the PS3. Could it be because of the Iraq war? To me, the war plays a role. A small role or a large one? I am not sure.

xscrapzx

????? the negative perception of america. not just the war in the middle east my friend. you can also add denying 3rd world countries aid and refusing to wipe debt, carbon emissions, bully boy tactics in industry, us companies buying water rights of poor countries, decimating natural habitats for fossil fuels etc etc,and this is coming from a friend of america! imagine what the people who hate you must think! but stop. this is sw wars not political debate. so to your question. hell no

The need for Fossil Fuels is a reason to hate America? Well you better put China up on your hate list because they use quite a bit themselves, and with the economic growth driving up fast and with that amount of people living there they could surpass the U.S. We don't help 3rd world countries? Why don't the third world countries get a decent government in that knows hows to apply the rule of law and they wouldn't be so poor, you ever hear of corruption? Bully Boy tactics? Don't give me that crap about decimating natural habitats, every damn country in the world needs resources and they are going to do whatever it takes to get them. :|

sigh's i dont want to do this

the us is a huge consumer of oil, the us voters demand cheap fuel to drive those ridiculously huge cars, if the price of oil went up voters would oust anyone who did that, because so many us politicians and business men have a vested interest in oil companies there is no way they want to see alternatives even discussed. do you seriously think bush would have anything to do with the middle east if it wasn't for this fact?

now i could go on forever about the us involvement with 3rd world countries, but heres 2. the us(because of their silly views on sex/safe sex/abortion) have refused poor aids/hiv ridden countries condoms and sex education. the us (and many western countries) have supported dictatorships when it has been to their advantage and pulled out as soon as there is nothing left to milk

again oil raises it's ugly head when it comes to natural environments, take alaska, where an unspoilt area is begin developed with no regard to the people and wildlife that live there, again so you can drive a big car cheaply

i'm going to stop now, sorry to all for being so off topic, but he got my goat