Is all the blood and gore really neccessary?

I think that, even though we have freedom of speach, and freedom to buy what we want, but I think companies need to step back, and kind of clean up the market. For example, aren't their certain things that we just shouldn't have in games? Is it right to measure " Realism" based on how many pints of blood gush out of a wound, how many vital organs you can splatter, or how many body parts are disembodied?

I'm all for realistic games. I love Max Payne and GTA. But we have to draw the line somewhere. I'm sick of developers spending money and time adding bloodshed and effects, and wasting all this time makinga game as sick and tiwsted as possible, when they should be focusing on gameplay. Does it add to the gameplay, when blood starts splattering the walls after every shot? Would Halo Suddenly be a sucky B rategame if it didn't have blood? I don't think Blood and Gore are neccesarygameplay features. I don't think random cursing and the like, is neccessry. When I shoot someone, and blood gushes out, He starts Cursing nonstop, I don't get any sense of satisfaction.

We can have games like GTA. We can have Max Payne. But we don't need blood and gore everywhere. Sure, a little blood from a wound is all right. But when you have fountains of blood spraying allover, People Cursing every 2 seconds, and disembodied limbs, does it make it more fun? No. it just means that you have to game alone, away from kids who might get grossed out, away from your friends who just can't take that level of disgust. And when You have to game secularly, it perpetuates the stereotype ofgamers being these anti-socil nerds, and no one likes that.

My Point in short: Look at the wii. Look at Wario Ware, Wii play, Wii sports, Rayman, Mario,Zelda and all of those titles. Not many people can play those games and say they were boring. But they don't have cursing, or blood , or gore, or any of that. So that proves you don't need gore to have fun. But there going to go screw it up and put Man hunt 2 on there.

If you'll excuse me, I have Zombies to runover with a lawnmower, thank you very much.

Well excuse some of us for liking to see our enemies' hearts when we rip them out

Mario games are hardly innocent. This gesture is considered profane in Thailand, Madagascar, Russia, and the District of Columbia.

Games are fun when you feel like you are really in the game, wouldn't it be odd if you shot a guy dead in a videogame and there was no blood? It adds to it by making the game more realistic

Halo without blood = flop!

blood and Gore is needed in games..imagine chainsawing someone in Gears and

seeing pretty ponies, candy and flowers with rainbows coming out instead of the blood and guts....will u play that game again?

There's no need to "clean up the market". Thats what the rating system is for. Do you consider the DVD market dirty? Because you can have a Bambi DVD and a Porn DVD sitting on your player. Doesn't make the industry dirty. I think Gears would not be Gears without it, so yes, it is necessary to a certain extent. Obviously this is Manhunt 2 related, and some of the stuff that you can do in that game sounds absolutely disgusting and not for me. Does that mean no one should get to play it? I think you know the answer...TheCrazed420

I'm not saying to remove it entirely. I'm not saying to take it out of games that need it. I'm just saying, They need to scale back the level of gore and blood. I enjoy watching a good horror movie. I like dead rising. But, I don't enjoy when so many games remind me of SAW more than anything else.mathew952

It seems like your argument is that you don't enjoy games with a lot of blood. To that I say, just don't buy them or play them. Let the people that enjoy that stuff play them.

You dont need gore to have fun....of course you dont

But why the hell should we NOT have gore if the developer sees it fit.

screw it why are we even debating this, blood and gore rules, not because you have to be immature to find it fun, but it adds to the experiance, to the enviorment, to everything

not even a debatable topic, imagine GeOW without blood

R-Dot-Yung

It's nessecary in games that require it. If someone is getting shot in the head, blood should be present. Especially if the characters in the game are supposed to be portrayed as real human beings.

Concerning fantasy characters like Link, Cloud, etc...who's actions SHOULD draw blood in a realistic setting, it's not all that nessecary. It's supposed to be a fictional game that takes place in a fictional setting, and otherwise is based around less emphasis on realism.

What the real complaint here is that there are people who will judge a game in it's entierty based on it's gore content, which is ridiculous.

Also consider the movie Kill Bill, 300, or the game God of War, in which case violence is so prominent that it's fictional in nature.

Mario games are hardly innocent. This gesture is considered profane in Thailand, Madagascar, Russia, and the District of Columbia.

-The-G-Man-

Afro Samurai says yes! :D

... followed by a bucket full of blood. :)

Really, it isn't needed, but it makes us question the unrealism behind lack of blood. Blood and gore makes things shockingly enjoyable, and a great example would be Gears of War. I don't know how many times I've laughed at a particular Locust body part on the ground, or the beheading of zombies in Dead Rising - it's fun. Blood can also add a stylistic touch to entertainment, such as the movie 300, or even Killer7. Blood is life -- blood is death; it should be included in both our art, and entertainment for that reason.

I think it is necessary. People are talking about "drawing a line somewhere", yet the videogame industry is so young compared to the film industry that it has no real boundary of acceptance. Something like Manhunt 2 is a good thing for the gaming world, believe it or not. We truly need to see more games at the extreme end of the spectrum, otherwise the industry will never evolve and be taken seriously as its own cater-for-all medium. Someone could go out and make a movie about some God awful thing -- no one would question it, yet a game which features exactly the same elements will be hounded by the media and parental groups. Games need to eventually reach a level of diversity like that of films (which span from Disney to "A Clockwork Orange", and everything in between), otherwise they will forever remain in the realm of the "kids toy" and will never be fully appreciated as an art form.

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Mario games are hardly innocent. This gesture is considered profane in Thailand, Madagascar, Russia, and the District of Columbia.

Rougehunter

I'm lying.

[QUOTE="Rougehunter"][QUOTE="-The-G-Man-"]

Mario games are hardly innocent. This gesture is considered profane in Thailand, Madagascar, Russia, and the District of Columbia.

-The-G-Man-

I'm lying.

Blood and gore helps when it's taken into context. If I shoot someone in a game, I don't expect sunshine and rainbows to come out. If I cut someone, I'm not expecting a neverending flow of strawberry milk to flow from the wounds.

I will say that violence for the shear pleasure and enjoyment of the pain inflicted with no really reason behind it is sadistic and should be considered pornographic.

No, its not necessary. Most people will realize as they become of age. Your discussing with mostly teens here, so there wont be much of a discussion going on.

Actually, i agree with you 100%. And unlike the most, i realized you didnt mean "NO BLOOD". Gore is really becoming more and more part of video games. Gears would be as good if the heads wouldnt pop off. This trend goes as far as producing games just to show gore and brutality, stupid stuff like Postal or Manhunt.

Actually i would like to see a step back. even if this would make the people with most spare money (the teens) who are probably the aimed group of those games, turn away from them.

Its part of the responsibility developers should be aware of. There are younger ones (no, your NOT grown up at 16 nor 18) who are attracted by overly brutal visual contant. Even if its impact, if consumed over a longer time is more than proofed in many different "scientific?" papers.

A s you saw in this thread... those people dont have the insight but the money ... thats the problem.

Good to see someone having the same worries.

P.S. Its not about having NO blood or gore... its about reducing it to the neccessary.... and neccessary is NOT sawing a human being in pieces with a chainsaw.(Well i have to say i enjoyed it too... but look whos playing gears online.... most of those are 20 or younger.... as i said... no, your not "manifested" (cant find the word) by the age of 18)

How much gore do you want in some games?

EDIT: Wtf is GS doing to my spacing?

No, its not necessary. Most people will realize as they become of age. Your discussing with mostly teens here, so there wont be much of a discussion going on.

Actually, i agree with you 100%. And unlike the most, i realized you didnt mean "NO BLOOD". Gore is really becoming more and more part of video games. Gears would be as good if the heads wouldnt pop off. This trend goes as far as producing games just to show gore and brutality, stupid stuff like Postal or Manhunt.

Actually i would like to see a step back. even if this would make the people with most spare money (the teens) who are probably the aimed group of those games, turn away from them.

Its part of the responsibility developers should be aware of. There are younger ones (no, your NOT grown up at 16 nor 18) who are attracted by overly brutal visual contant. Even if its impact, if consumed over a longer time is more than proofed in many different "scientific?" papers.

A s you saw in this thread... those people dont have the insight but the money ... thats the problem.

Good to see someone having the same worries.

P.S. Its not about having NO blood or gore... its about reducing it to the neccessary.... and neccessary is NOT sawing a human being in pieces with a chainsaw.(Well i have to say i enjoyed it too... but look whos playing gears online.... most of those are 20 or younger.... as i said... no, your not "manifested" (cant find the word) by the age of 18)

klausklaus

And who gets to decide what is an "appropriate" amount of gore? What your speaking of is censorship, plain and simple. And for the record, I'm 27, so your teen theory won't apply here.

Not saying everyone .... dont get me wrong.

Oh ... you may not view certain illegal content .... Censorship? Its there and its neccessary (to some content) if else people or theyr future would be affected. Someone has to have an eye on it.

The question is, what's wrong with blood and gore and violence in a game? It's a game. It's supposed to be entertainment. Even twisted entertainment is still entertainment. I find excessive violence to be funny, myself.

What's wrong with people getting a laugh out of chainsawing someone in half or exploding someone into pieces? It's a game after all. No one is being hurt. And so long as no one is being hurt, there's no reason to "clean up" games.

And if you want to clean up games, then you have to apply the same to movies, music and all other media. But, you like mature movies don't you? Unless you'd rather everyone watch Pokemon and family movies and have any and all violent or mature content banned.

Otherwise you're just presenting a double-standard and making an ass of yourself.

Start > Options > Gameplay > Turn off blood and gore

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Problem is: its not just "fun" for everyone ... paople are different. Look how some of them act online ... and its the comsumption of those things over a longer time thats affecting people, not a game or two a day.
klausklaus

I've been playing violent games my entire life. Millions of people have been playing violent games all their lives. Nothing has happened to them.

Most of the cases where people blamed the crime they did on a game was just them looking for a scape-goat.

And people who are genuinely affected by it more than likely already have a mental disease and should be kept from any violent content. Not just violent games.

Halo doesnt even have very much blood in it.

anyways Gears of War and Resident Evil 4 would not be the same if they had no blood or gore, simple as that. it adds to the atmosphere

Blood and gore adds to the realism and athmosphere. Mario games have happy athmosphere, you don't add blood in it.

Manhunt has a creepy athmosphere, you add blood...LOTS OF BLOOD!!!:twisted:

I think it is necessary. People are talking about "drawing a line somewhere", yet the videogame industry is so young compared to the film industry that it has no real boundary of acceptance. Something like Manhunt 2 is a good thing for the gaming world, believe it or not. We truly need to see more games at the extreme end of the spectrum, otherwise the industry will never evolve and be taken seriously as its own cater-for-all medium. Someone could go out and make a movie about some God awful thing -- no one would question it, yet a game which features exactly the same elements will be hounded by the media and parental groups. Games need to eventually reach a level of diversity like that of films (which span from Disney to "A Clockwork Orange", and everything in between), otherwise they will forever remain in the realm of the "kids toy" and will never be fully appreciated as an art form.

-Spock-

You took the words right out of my mouth.