Is competition important, or just the XBox?

Should I read that or is it just twaddle?

It's twaddle.

Voted for option 3 in the poll... Only exclusives, movie and handheld games matter when MS/Xbox anti-fans try attacking anything MS/Xbox. lol :P

Competition is important. Always has been, always will be.

Sorry, I didn't mean to be so rude. I admire your honesty. I've read it and I can't really answer until after E3. If MS doesn't give a reason to get excited about the X1X other than BC then I will gladly join in on the MS hate train. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt until then though.

That apology isn't coming.

It's all good. I didn't take it as a bad thing. It's a wall-o-text to be sure.

PS4 is what it is because of Xbox and MS

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Problem is SW is filled with some straight up no life gamers. That think the way they play and what they play is normal. It’s not people in here are the minority.

I buy 3-4 games a year usually COD and a Netherrelm fighter being 2 of those purchases.

The only game I’ve purchased in 2018 so far is PUBG. I will be getting RDR2 and COD, other than that there isn’t much else I’d play or sink hours into. Same would be said if I owned a PS4. Only other games I’ll play or give a chance are game pass games and EA access games.

You fanboys, and people that play 30-40 hours a week of video games y’all are the ones that care about all this nonsense. When it really doesn’t matter. Right now Xbox offers way more bang for your buck than a PS4, especially if you don’t care about the “exclusives” that matter so much.

TL:DR. Maybe don’t take gaming so serious and think everyone plays or cares the way you do

I feel like competition was important at one point between the PS4 and Xbox One, but now that Sony have very safely established the PS4 has a market leader, third party developers feel comfortable releasing their games on the platform.

At this stage now, I feel that Microsoft should be rising to the challenge and investing more in making the Xbox platform an enticing offer. Viewed from the perspective of 'competition' PS4 is in the lead and Xbox One needs to do more to rise to the challenge, while PS4's position is advantageous that it's almost a positive feedback loop as more and more games come to the system. This is just my opinion, of course. There are others who are satisfied with the Xbox One.

Competition is what made Sony and Nintendo the juggernaut they're today and what destroyed Microsoft because MS does not know how to compete.

MS loses on everything, from smartphones to OS, It only survives through windows because Apple lets Microsoft.

If one day Apple decide to catter the mass market, Microsoft will die.

Competition is what made the video game industry what it is today. Can anyone imagine how the industry be like under socialism?

We can assume there will be a next Halo, of course, but the brighter days of that franchise are behind us not ahead.

I'll take "things even Cows would have said about God of War 2 years ago" for 500 Alex.

Of course because it pushes the competition. Sony can't lose from this position though.

That is a fair point, but when Sony was in the same position last generation, they doubled down on exclusive games to get back into things (on top of the price cuts). We are seeing no such effort from MS right now. That is what I am, ultimately, calling into question.

This. Fanboys SUCK!

Competition is good for the consumers.

@Shewgenja: that's because MS doesn't know how to do it.

It doesn't do it in any market whatsoever.

Not on games with Windows.

Not on smartphones.

Not on OS.

MS doesn't know how to play the competition game, if one day Apple decides to make mac os mainstream, MS will die.

@xxyetixx: that's not a valid point.

MS doesn't offer anything new to casuals, it doesn't offer market value and can't get more market share.

When you go to a store, you see a ps4 bundle with 3 exclusives you can't play anywhere and you see Xbox with half baked third parties.

People with life will not research, they'll go to a store and get the console with more games avaliable at ready.

MS loses even in this.

MS are in trouble if they can't find a way to start competing next gen. I don't like what I hear from them saying their not doing generations anymore. If that's the case Sony will continue to dominate and Nintendo will fly past them.

You could also argue if Apple or Amazon decided to enter seriously into the console market Sony would be done as PS is keeping Sony afloat.

@boycie: I could, but Sony knows how to play the competition game and could destroy Amazon and apple that has no expertise in these markets.

On the other hand, Microsoft doesn't know how to do it.

Competition is the very reason the PlayStation 4 is in the state it's in, Sony blew it last generation and subsequently lost a huge chunk of their previous market share so they obviously had to rework their strategy. Expect Microsoft to come out swinging hard next generation because of what has taken place this gen, they're already doing it now from an infrastructure standpoint and are clearly building up steam in the game department behind closed doors for a strong launch. The Xbox One was the typical third console curse like the PlayStation 3 before it, the Nintendo 64 before that, and the Sega Master System before that.

This is fight or flight territory for Microsoft, this next generation is their last option so they have to execute. If Sony gets complacent we could see a repeat of the 7th generation.

@boycie: I mean, Amazon and apple entering on console market would be like Microsoft: two Enterprises that know nothing about console or gaming and would be utterly destroyed by Sony that has expertise and strong franchises to support it.

Microsoft only did well last gen because Sony went greedy and overpriced ps3 without anything to justify said price.

@boycie: sorry for the third reply, but apple tried to enter the gaming market in the past and was utterly destroyed by Nintendo.

Apple had no experience in the portable music player market. A market Sony dominated for decades but they managed to all but crush the Walkman brand. Samsung had little experience in TV's but it's range of LCDTV's all but destroyed the Bravia range. And how about Sonys range of VAIO personal computers and laptops, didn't they pull out of that market as they couldn't compete.

No OS has ever come close to threatening Windows. No Office product has ever come close to replacing Office. This is the reason MS is worth 560 Billion Dollars compared to Sony's 17.

Apple was nothing like the company it is now back then. They have the money to buy everything they would need. They won't though as they consider the console games market as small potatoes.

@boycie: while I agree with you, apple innovated the market with iTunes and that made a difference. It could do well if it pulled out that again.

But in the OS side of things: windows just do well because Apple lets it. That's my point, if apple decides to go towards mass market and lower it's prices, MS would be destroyed.

Apple is mass market with iOS. I would guess that iOS is currently in more homes than Windows as home PC aren't really a thing anymore except for gaming. MS's bread and butter is the pro market Office, Outlook, Enterprise stuff.

@calvincfb: Um you realize MS sells console bundles too right. So you can get a game with you system, a 14 day trial of Live, then spend $9.99 and 4.99 and have access to over 100 games to play for a month

competition is important, it just so happens that Xbox/MS are a major competitor

Competition is important not the Xbox.

Sony needs some worthy competitors because MS and the FlopBone aren’t it.

@undefined: I think competition is no just about games, but services as well, and BC is part of that and so is Game Pass. I also think MS has been clear that they understood that 1st party games are important and they want to do something about it. Until E3 we have to wait.

Nintendo is being more worthy of that title. In terms of third-party relations, especially in Japan, Nintendo is going to start tugging on the PS4s gravity.

Disagree.

Google docs made MS office go free for the basic version.

Android made MS make Win10 upgrades free for an entire year.

The shift from desktop to mobile has definitely hurt MS, as they are not a market leader in Mobile OS software. MS could very easily be headed to the way of IBM and just focus on business solutions.

@xxyetixx: they don't add more market and product value than ps bundles

@boycie: agreed, hadn't thought it that way.

@Shewgenja: @quadknight: @calvincfb:

https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/18/17251030/xbox-one-backwards-compatibility-360-panzer-dragoon-orta

I’ll just leave this here for you cows

@Star67: I doubt that. Microsoft owns the work place. They own the government and yes they own the PC space. People using mobile more for web browsing and social media isn’t changing that any time soon

The retro gaming forum is that way.
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@Shewgenja: That’s usually what people resort to when they have no valid responses

or a way to argue against it ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

as if consoles are even relevant.

now that should get some people fired up...I am just joking to be clear

I miss the battle last gen both companies pushing each other and out do each other. To be fair to Sony they haven't got lazy because their so far in front.

I dunno man. Like, PDO was a great game and all that. It just seems awfully weak that a current gen console needs to be justified with old games. No one gave a flying **** when the PS3 had full hardware supported BC to literally the largest gaming library up to that point or ever afterward. Giving the XBox brownie points for this seems... hollow? Maybe that's the word for it.

Objectively speaking, it would be a nice thing to have on a console that is also relevant in the here and the now. Since that's not the grown up pants that XBox is wearing, it's very hard to have a fanbase that said a $500 PS3 (Yes, there was a $500 version) was apocalyptically bad while this is somehow good... or that anyone who sees it that way has no argument...

@xxyetixx: an article doesn't change the fact that new games add more value and marketshare, plus sales, than old games, to the brand.

Why do you think switch is outselling x1 and x1x having no BC whatsoever?

@calvincfb: but why is then is the Virtual Console always high on the list of Switch wants?

I'll go on a limb and say it's because Nintendo isn't making fans choose between having new games or having old ones.

@Shewgenja: but the Xbox does have new games. It’s just you’ve deemed them worthless and no worth playing because you’re a massive sony fanboy. It just had SoT and SoD is soon. Plus all the 3rd party stuff like MH and FC5 which you don’t get on the switch.

This xbox has no games shit is as asinine as the all Sony exclusive games are movies.

This is accurate of the cows I've seen both here and abroad. It literally has the most recent first party release yet they still push "no games" or "no new games" in this instance. It's delusional behavior.

@seaofsalt: he’ll probably come back with lulz sea of piss 6/10 shit. Yet when i made a thread earlier this week asking if people considered any game that wasn’t GOTY material was worth playing it was almost unanimous that they were worth playing and people said they don’t let reviews dictate what they play.

@boycie: because they can have both. On MS you have ONLY BC.