Is Forza 3 as good as it gets for the 360?

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#1 Walker34
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I would say yes. Racing games are usually a graphics showcase for what a system can do ultimately do as far as picture quality graphics. What i mean by that is you usually can get the most photorealitic stuff from a racing game. I believe forza 3 is the pinnacle of that for the 360. I also think gt5 will be that for the ps3. Perfomance is a measure of a lot of things and the fact it usually coincides with racing games on consoles is no coincidence. I believe forza 3 is leveraging the hardware in the 360 to the point where it's getting every ounce of power out of it that it can.

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#2 rybe1025
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Well enjoy waiting for a release date for GT5. Meanwhile 360 fans already have a release date for their second Forza game this gen.
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#3 Walker34
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Well enjoy waiting for a release date for GT5. Meanwhile 360 fans already have a release date for their second Forza game this gen.rybe1025

I have a 360. I don't have a ps3. For that reason pretty much. I don't like waiting.

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Okay Mr. Develeper, what games have you develeped or have you worked with the xbox 360's dev kit?
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#5 Walker34
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Okay Mr. Develeper, what games have you develeped or have you worked with the xbox 360's dev kit?HCKnight

I'm not a developer. I probably should be though. I'm just a smartass even though i do know what i'm talking about in a lot of regards.

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#6 HCKnight
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All I'm saying is, how do you have any idea? Do you know if that's the 360's peak? No, no one here does except Microsoft, and whatever devs have worked with the system over the years.
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You know some people keep buying PS2 games. :|

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#8 Walker34
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All I'm saying is, how do you have any idea? Do you know if that's the 360's peak? No, no one here does except Microsoft, and whatever devs have worked with the system over the years. HCKnight

Just from listening to the guy who developed it. Plus just trends in games. Usually racing games are the pinnacle for this stuff. It's really easy to push graphics in an environment such as a racing game i would assume. Usually racing games are the first games to really max a processor and push the best visual stuff. Historically speaking.

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I would say yes. Racing games are usually a graphics showcase for what a system can do ultimately do as far as picture quality graphics. What i mean by that is you usually can get the most photorealitic stuff from a racing game. I believe forza 3 is the pinnacle of that for the 360. I also think gt5 will be that for the ps3. Perfomance is a measure of a lot of things and the fact it usually coincides with racing games on consoles is no coincidence. I believe forza 3 is leveraging the hardware in the 360 to the point where it's getting every ounce of power out of it that it can.

Walker34

I'm sorry, but thats not how game development works and all that nonsense about racing game graphics is false.

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Its actually already more than 360`s best,as its on two DVDs.

So much for the "bLuRaYzZZzz n0tZZzz N3EdEDzZz d!zZ g3NZzzZ !!!!!!!!!"

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Its actually already more than 360`s best,as its on two DVDs.

So much for the "bLuRaYzZZzz n0tZZzz N3EdEDzZz d!zZ g3NZzzZ !!!!!!!!!"

mcgreddy
Oh no 2 DVDs :o God forbid!
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[QUOTE="mcgreddy"]

Its actually already more than 360`s best,as its on two DVDs.

So much for the "bLuRaYzZZzz n0tZZzz N3EdEDzZz d!zZ g3NZzzZ !!!!!!!!!"

BoloTheGreat

Oh no 2 DVDs :o God forbid!

OH no I have to get up and change the Disc if I don't install it all to my 120gb HDD. :o/

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[QUOTE="mcgreddy"]

Its actually already more than 360`s best,as its on two DVDs.

So much for the "bLuRaYzZZzz n0tZZzz N3EdEDzZz d!zZ g3NZzzZ !!!!!!!!!"

BoloTheGreat
Oh no 2 DVDs :o God forbid!

Imagine the race is about to finish and your heading for the win...when suddenly RRODed !! You got OwneD!!!! lmfao.... Oh did i mention about changing the dvd ?
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[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="mcgreddy"]

Its actually already more than 360`s best,as its on two DVDs.

So much for the "bLuRaYzZZzz n0tZZzz N3EdEDzZz d!zZ g3NZzzZ !!!!!!!!!"

mcgreddy

Oh no 2 DVDs :o God forbid!

Imagine the race is about to finish and your heading for the win...when suddenly RRODed !! You got OwneD!!!! lmfao.... Oh did i mention about changing the dvd ?

Or you playing your GT5 on your PS3 and you about to win the race then suddenly you get the YLOD? You got PWNT! :|

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#15 mcgreddy
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[QUOTE="mcgreddy"][QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] Oh no 2 DVDs :o God forbid! PS3_3DO

Imagine the race is about to finish and your heading for the win...when suddenly RRODed !! You got OwneD!!!! lmfao.... Oh did i mention about changing the dvd ?

Or you playing your GT5 on your PS3 and you about to win the race then suddenly you get the YLOD? You got PWNT! :|

Yea but the chances are still A LOT lesser...1 in a 100 poor soul will suffer from that ownage.The 360 is completely the other way around.

And did i mention the E74,2-3 other forms of RROD,the disc changing ??

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I dont care, it looks good enough for me. PS2 managed fine last gen being the least powerful in terms of graphics, i see no problem with the 360 continuing to beat the PS3 with not-as-good graphics. In fact the PS3 should have way better graphics, considering its over twice the price of the 360 (in UK)
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#17 mcgreddy
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I dont care, it looks good enough for me. PS2 managed fine last gen being the least powerful in terms of graphics, i see no problem with the 360 continuing to beat the PS3 with not-as-good graphics. In fact the PS3 should have way better graphics, considering its over twice the price of the 360 (in UK)-DrRobotnik-
PS2 actually had good games you know.
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[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="mcgreddy"] Imagine the race is about to finish and your heading for the win...when suddenly RRODed !! You got OwneD!!!! lmfao.... Oh did i mention about changing the dvd ? mcgreddy

Or you playing your GT5 on your PS3 and you about to win the race then suddenly you get the YLOD? You got PWNT! :|

Yea but the chances are still A LOT lesser...1 in a 100 poor soul will suffer from that ownage.The 360 is completely the other way around.

And did i mention the E74,2-3 other forms of RROD,the disc changing ??

The newest models of the 360 are less likely to get that in the first year. :|

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[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]I dont care, it looks good enough for me. PS2 managed fine last gen being the least powerful in terms of graphics, i see no problem with the 360 continuing to beat the PS3 with not-as-good graphics. In fact the PS3 should have way better graphics, considering its over twice the price of the 360 (in UK)mcgreddy
PS2 actually had good games you know.

So does the 360?
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Why wouldn't Forza 2 have been as good as it gets? Oh yeah, because then Forza 3 came along. Believe it or not, odds are another racing game will come hwich will set the standard for 360 again. Racing games are unreliable though, developers can use a lot of tricks, such as GT5's 2D trees and bitmap backgrounds. Games like Burnout Paradise are more impressive; open world and looks great.
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I dont care, it looks good enough for me. PS2 managed fine last gen being the least powerful in terms of graphics, i see no problem with the 360 continuing to beat the PS3 with not-as-good graphics. In fact the PS3 should have way better graphics, considering its over twice the price of the 360 (in UK)-DrRobotnik-

judging by your flawed logic, the wii is priced the same as the 360 pro, does that mean it can produce the same graphics as the xbox 360? NO.

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[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="mcgreddy"]

Its actually already more than 360`s best,as its on two DVDs.

So much for the "bLuRaYzZZzz n0tZZzz N3EdEDzZz d!zZ g3NZzzZ !!!!!!!!!"

PS3_3DO

Oh no 2 DVDs :o God forbid!

OH no I have to get up and change the Disc if I don't install it all to my 120gb HDD. :o/

I thought installing was a bad thing? Or do fanboy comments "expire" after a certain date.
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[QUOTE="mcgreddy"]

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Or you playing your GT5 on your PS3 and you about to win the race then suddenly you get the YLOD? You got PWNT! :|

Wats_o

Yea but the chances are still A LOT lesser...1 in a 100 poor soul will suffer from that ownage.The 360 is completely the other way around.

And did i mention the E74,2-3 other forms of RROD,the disc changing ??

I don't know what makes you FAIL more, the fact you are such a stupid fanboy or your grasp of the English language! I would explain about the 2 DVD's and how they work but i doubt you'd understand!

No i really dont need to understand it,i`ve had experiences with 2 dvds.I just enjoy pointing out the true facts and watch fanboys go mad.
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[QUOTE="-DrRobotnik-"]I dont care, it looks good enough for me. PS2 managed fine last gen being the least powerful in terms of graphics, i see no problem with the 360 continuing to beat the PS3 with not-as-good graphics. In fact the PS3 should have way better graphics, considering its over twice the price of the 360 (in UK)dethroned3

judging by your flawed logic, the wii is priced the same as the 360 pro, does that mean it can produce the same graphics as the xbox 360? NO.

The Wii is actually a little more expensive than the 360 pro, and yeah, thats way overprice for what you get.
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[QUOTE="mcgreddy"]

[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

Or you playing your GT5 on your PS3 and you about to win the race then suddenly you get the YLOD? You got PWNT! :|

Wats_o

Yea but the chances are still A LOT lesser...1 in a 100 poor soul will suffer from that ownage.The 360 is completely the other way around.

And did i mention the E74,2-3 other forms of RROD,the disc changing ??

I don't know what makes you FAIL more, the fact you are such a stupid fanboy or your grasp of the English language! I would explain about the 2 DVD's and how they work but i doubt you'd understand!

hey, are you ban dodging?

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[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="mcgreddy"]

Its actually already more than 360`s best,as its on two DVDs.

So much for the "bLuRaYzZZzz n0tZZzz N3EdEDzZz d!zZ g3NZzzZ !!!!!!!!!"

mcgreddy
Oh no 2 DVDs :o God forbid!

Imagine the race is about to finish and your heading for the win...when suddenly RRODed !! You got OwneD!!!! lmfao.... Oh did i mention about changing the dvd ?

Do you ever do anything but troll here? :| On topic, we can't possibly know. People were saying the 360 had reached it's peak last year, but it's still getting better and better looking games.
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I would say yes. Racing games are usually a graphics showcase for what a system can do ultimately do as far as picture quality graphics. What i mean by that is you usually can get the most photorealitic stuff from a racing game. I believe forza 3 is the pinnacle of that for the 360. I also think gt5 will be that for the ps3. Perfomance is a measure of a lot of things and the fact it usually coincides with racing games on consoles is no coincidence. I believe forza 3 is leveraging the hardware in the 360 to the point where it's getting every ounce of power out of it that it can.

Walker34

you mean by using 2D backgrounds?

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[QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"] Oh no 2 DVDs :o God forbid! fluxorator

OH no I have to get up and change the Disc if I don't install it all to my 120gb HDD. :o/

I thought installing was a bad thing? Or do fanboy comments "expire" after a certain date.

Mandatory installs is a bad thing. Optional instaling is not bad at all.
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[QUOTE="Walker34"]

I would say yes. Racing games are usually a graphics showcase for what a system can do ultimately do as far as picture quality graphics. What i mean by that is you usually can get the most photorealitic stuff from a racing game. I believe forza 3 is the pinnacle of that for the 360. I also think gt5 will be that for the ps3. Perfomance is a measure of a lot of things and the fact it usually coincides with racing games on consoles is no coincidence. I believe forza 3 is leveraging the hardware in the 360 to the point where it's getting every ounce of power out of it that it can.

dk_2007

you mean by using 2D backgrounds?

As long as it looks good.
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[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"][QUOTE="mcgreddy"]

Its actually already more than 360`s best,as its on two DVDs.

So much for the "bLuRaYzZZzz n0tZZzz N3EdEDzZz d!zZ g3NZzzZ !!!!!!!!!"

mcgreddy

Oh no 2 DVDs :o God forbid!

Imagine the race is about to finish and your heading for the win...when suddenly RRODed !! You got OwneD!!!! lmfao.... Oh did i mention about changing the dvd ?

RROD is pretty irrelevant to this thread.

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[QUOTE="fluxorator"][QUOTE="PS3_3DO"]

OH no I have to get up and change the Disc if I don't install it all to my 120gb HDD. :o/

MS_Carl

I thought installing was a bad thing? Or do fanboy comments "expire" after a certain date.

Mandatory installs is a bad thing. Optional instaling is not bad at all.

How is this "Fanboy comments". it's optional, not like thr MANDATORY PS3 installs, you have a choice. How is that a bad thing? Its an option.

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To answer the topic question with another question: Is GT5 as good as it gets for the PS3? The only way these questions could possibly be answered is if you either come from the future, or you were hands-down the worlds best developer/coder. And I highly doubt anyone on this forum is either of these things. Enjoy your impossible-to-answer-correctly question.
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#35 sikanderahmed
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no 360 can do better.

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It would be as good as it gets until devs find a more efficiently way to use its hardware.
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Well I watched the gametrialers HD video trailerof Forza3 and I was really impressed at the moment I thought they had cought up with GT5 so I tried to watch the GT5 trailer but it wouldn't play so I downloaded it from the PSN store and .... it's not even close lol.

Forza3 looks like a freaking awsome looking racing game....but GT5 looks frecking real

Both of them are trailers and touched up with unacheivable AA for in game play, but you get a firm idea of the base of the gfx that you'll get while playing and I just don't know what xbox fans were trying to prove when they said that forza 3 looked "better" than GT5 because it's not even close to looking equal.

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Well I watched the gametrialers HD video trailerof Forza3 and I was really impressed at the moment I thought they had cought up with GT5 so I tried to watch the GT5 trailer but it wouldn't play so I downloaded it from the PSN store and .... it's not even close lol.

Forza3 looks like a freaking awsome looking racing game....but GT5 looks frecking real

Both of them are trailers and touched up with unacheivable AA for in game play, but you get a firm idea of the base of the gfx that you'll get while playing and I just don't know what xbox fans were trying to prove when they said that forza 3 looked "better" than GT5 because it's not even close to looking equal.

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GT5 trailers look great, but on actual gameplay I think Froza 3 looks slightly better. It's close though.
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#39 gaboi09
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no 360 can do better.

sikanderahmed

Maybe, but don't expet it to look like exclusive games made on the PS3.

As good as xbox360 games look, I've noticed one big diffrence when it comes to graphic quality between alot of xbox360 and PS3 games (especilly the racers), they never can relate the impression that you might belooking at something real or rather somethig that isn'tbeing rendered by a videogame, However PS3 games have acheived this task

I don't know if it's in the way that PS3 renders shaders with the Cell (because multiplat games mostly look the same this might be the diffrence in gfx for those exclusives) or what but xbox360 hasn't produced a videogame that dosen't LOOK like a videogame. Not saying that some of those games don't look great, but they always look like a video game.

How many times this generation have we heard from xbox and PS fans alike that Something on the PS3 was "movie" footage or not possible for a "game" because it looked to "real or organic to be real footage"when infact it was real? Hell we have an example just at this years E3 The Last Guardian. All I'm saying is as good a 360 games look don't expect them to look like exclusvie PS3 games becaue it's something about the way they are rendered that makes them look diffrent.

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360 has been "Maxed out" since GeoW1 according to many on this forum, both systems have very similar capbilities. Go read waht Crytek have said about the PS3 being pushed to its limits my he CE3 and Crysis 2.
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[QUOTE="gaboi09"]

Well I watched the gametrialers HD video trailerof Forza3 and I was really impressed at the moment I thought they had cought up with GT5 so I tried to watch the GT5 trailer but it wouldn't play so I downloaded it from the PSN store and .... it's not even close lol.

Forza3 looks like a freaking awsome looking racing game....but GT5 looks frecking real

Both of them are trailers and touched up with unacheivable AA for in game play, but you get a firm idea of the base of the gfx that you'll get while playing and I just don't know what xbox fans were trying to prove when they said that forza 3 looked "better" than GT5 because it's not even close to looking equal.

Next-Gen-Tec

GT5 trailers look great, but on actual gameplay I think Froza 3 looks slightly better. It's close though.

Un no. and it's not close

They look completely diffrent other than both being racing games. Forza 3 never even for an instant gives off the impression that could make you thinkg that you're looking at something from real life or on TV...GT5 dose, so no it's not close and in the same breath makes you saying Forza 3 looks slightly better quite rediclious.

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I've been hearing the "Xbox 360 is maxed out" talk since Gears of War 1 came out and the system has consistently improved each year. I have no reason to believe that Forza 3 is the pinnacle of the Xbox 360's visual capabilities.

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Yep just like when Halo 3 and Gears 2 both released and were the best it got, and "pushed it to the max".

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ppl need to realize that graphics isn't the only thing that can make a console maxed out

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I've been hearing the "Xbox 360 is maxed out" talk since Gears of War 1 came out and the system has consistently improved each year. I have no reason to believe that Forza 3 is the pinnacle of the Xbox 360's visual capabilities.

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Well technically, it was probably true then, and is probably true now. I think, when most devs say "Maxed out" they mean they're using all the available resources to them on the X360. They're pushing all the memory and the cpu to it's max with their code. However that doesn't mean the game can't be better. As time passes, developers find new ways to make more efficient game code, and other stuff similar to it. They're still using the "maxed out power" of the console, the difference is, they're now doing a whole lot more with it. Maxing out a console isn't impressive, making it better than it should on those specs is. Which is why I personally don't think Crysis is a godsend :P If a company can do Cyrsis on a PC that usually just plays COD4, then THAT's amazing. Same reason that I think Gears of War and Uncharted are extremely well made. Sure a PC could tear it apart, but I'd like to see a PC game with the same specs do so....
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#46 samuraiguns
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Are we still on this, really?

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#47 Wubba
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It's not just about the technology. It's also about artist iteration time. When the artist have the tools and the time to quickly iterate over and over on their content, lighting, and shaders they can do wonders. It's part of the reason games like GT and Killzone look so good. There's no doubt there's some nice tech going on under the hood, but their artists were given gobs of time to hammer on their content over and over and polish it up to a bright sheen. As the tools these teams use to produce their content get better and better through this generation you'll see the graphics getting better and better. The tech might even stay very similar under the hood but the game might look tons better.
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#48 PS3_3DO
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Gameplay is important too. ;)