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#1  Edited By uninspiredcup
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When asking the overused qeastion or looking for something to implicate, the video game "Halflife 2", appears to be the obligatory go-to game for "This is overrated".

Is it really overrated? Or actually, in reality, one of the best games humanity has ever witnessed?

Please articulate in 500 words or less, what this games true place is in the grand scheme of history.

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#2 Jshoelace
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Never even heard of this game...

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I think that it's perfectly rated here at Gamespot (9.0). Fantastic game.

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#4 mems_1224
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"Is it really overrated? Or actually, in reality, one of the best games humanity has ever witnessed?"

trying too hard bruh

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#7 soulitane
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Yes it's overrated but at least it attempts to have diversity throughout unlike a lot of games these days.

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#8 Gue1
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definitely

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#9 sailor232
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I myself hold it to be one of the greatest games Ive ever played and greatest series, I'm just pretty angry it seems like it will never get finished, like reading a great series of books and the author dies before he/she finishes it.

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#10  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@mems_1224 said:

"Is it really overrated? Or actually, in reality, one of the best games humanity has ever witnessed?"

trying too hard bruh

But metacritic indicates this.

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#11 mems_1224
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@uninspiredcup said:
@mems_1224 said:

"Is it really overrated? Or actually, in reality, one of the best games humanity has ever witnessed?"

trying too hard bruh

But metacritic indicates this.

did you really need to delete your post and repost the same thing? lol

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Yes. Really. Pitiful gunplay and AI, and deeply overstretched gameplay sequences which leads to some choppy pacing.

The original Half Life is superior. Hell Opposing Force is superior too.

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It's only "overrated" if you have already played dozens of copy cats and never played the game when it first came out to know about its impact and how new FPS games use it as a blue print (apart from handful of opinions who disagree but those are in minority). Half Life 2 deserves all the praise it gets.

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It always felt like an engine pusher to me.

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@Cloud_imperium said:

It's only "overrated" if you have already played dozens of copy cats and never played the game when it first came out to know about its impact and how new FPS games use it as a blue print (apart from handful of opinions who disagree but those are in minority). Half Life 2 deserves all the praise it gets.

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#16  Edited By quatoe
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Half-life 2 is as Ballin and as gangster as they come.

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#17 BobRossPerm
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I'd say other Valve games are better than it. Like Half Life 1, TF2, CS 1.6, GO. Though those who say it's overrated basically translates to ''I don't like it as much as everyone else does''.

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#18  Edited By JasonN36
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It was excellent during its time. Now, it's kinda overrated and kinda sad that it's considered as the "best game" by a lot of gamers.

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#19 so_hai
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I didn't like it or the original but I'm not a FPS player.

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#20 Wickerman777
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Of course it doesn't seem as good now cuz it's old as hell, came out around the same time as Halo 2. But it was great for the time. I never cared much for the vehicle parts though, were too damned long. But the rest of it was excellent.

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#21 Litchie
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I don't feel it is. It was aweome when it came.

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Orange Box was a great value and I enjoyed the compilation a lot but with that said, HL is weak, very weak compared to Halo.... so, just sayin. :P

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#23 Wickerman777
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My greatest memory of Half Life 2 is actually from one of its follow ups though, episode 2. The big ass fight you get in at the end of it with all the robots was one of the most epic, intense moments I've ever experienced in a video game. It was done perfectly.

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#24  Edited By jg4xchamp
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I know this is an uninspired troll thread so I should just wait for the reactions, but **** it.

Absolutely overrated, and not because of some metascore; that's whatever to me. Not because someone called it the game of the gen, who fucking cares? It's more so this wild disgusting notion that if you didn't think Half Life 2 was anything short of great, that you're the crazy one. It's the unjustified absolutely it must be great and you must think it's great or you are wrong mentality; that surrounds this game that gets completely ridiculous. It's a first person shooter where the act of shooting things in the face is a lame aspect of the game, from an era when games were actually awesome about shooting things in the face. **** the multiplayer that came with it has fantastic gunplay (Counterstrike Source). In any other genre where the core mechanic is the short coming, usually said game gets rightfully ripped a new one. In Half Life 2's case? Every excuse in the book is made for it.

Half Life 2 is a lot of things: well presented, well animated (those facial animations), a land mark achievement on the physics front, a variety of sequences, some really well done environmental story telling, fantastic at teaching the player through gameplay, and all around I'd even say it's a good game. But a great one? Why? The core mechanics are weak, the enemy AI is dull and unsatisfying, and there are entire stretches of gameplay that are a mother fucking slog to play through between the sewers, the boat level, any section where you are fighting antilions (controlling them was rad), or the fucking umpteenth time the game threw a see-saw puzzle my way just so Valve can go "look guys we made a physics engine". None of which was clever, because the Gravity Gun got that across significantly better and levels like Ravenholm are an absolute delight because of it. Nevermind, that it feels like obvious artificial lengthening because it's the same type of puzzle all over again, so it can't really use the God of War defense of the 'puzzles are meant to be a pacing mechanism'.

And the story besides the poor man's 1984 routine and my usual round of LOLVIDEOGAMESTORIES, the shitty ending, the ridiculous Jesus like Status that Gordon Freeman has all the while being responsible for the invading Aliens, the games biggest sin is that bullshit that Alyx Vance is a fantastic character. She is terrible. Yes she's well designed visually, well acted, and everyone loves pointing out how she's not slutty. Except her entire purpose in the game and motivation is two fold

-Jerk the player off by telling them how rad Gordon is and how basically she wants to **** him without saying she wants to **** him

-Be there to say everything is okay, only for shit around her to explode.

Her personality is nonexistent, because it's manufactured just to gas up the players ego. For all the slut shaming Bayonetta gets, at least she's a character. One with sass, whose funny, actually eloquent with her dialogue, and she's written by Japanese dudes, so what was Alyx's excuse? Valve can't write worth a shit? Because even that's not true, because they were pretty legit when it came to Portal.

And the whole "you had to play it then" mantra. **** you. First I played it in 2004, second I can still go back to Metroid Prime and Super Metroid and they are fucking excellent. If I throw Resident Evil 4 in the disc tray that game will still kick all kinds of ass in the pacing, atmosphere, and variety department. Games like System Shock 2, Planescape's writing, Super Mario World don't need me to be in that era to actually see what is fantastic about them. When I go back to Half Life 2, I see a well produced and well presented game, that has so many short comings that make me wonder was everyone blinded by the technical achievement to see what they actually got was a good game, but not a great one?

Because in an era with better written games Silent Hill 2, Max Payne, Dreamfall, KoToR games, Mask of the Betrayer, better shooters: Unreal 2k4, Battlefield 2142 Escape from Butcher Bay, Metroid Prime 1 and 2, Far Cry, No One Lives Forever 2, Resident Evil 4, both Max Payne games, and other would be classics like Shadow of the Colossus, Civilization 3, Ico, Ninja Gaiden Black, Warcraft 3, Chaos Theory, Snake Eater, and under the radar gems like Arcanum and Viewtiful Joe, and what have you. I'm not seeing one of the best games ever.

I'm seeing a game that wasn't even the best game of its respective year on its own platform of its own genre, and frankly not even the best Half Life game, I'd still roll with the original on this one. It's good it's not great, plus it gave us Wasdie's avatar. That's terrorism if anything.

Frankly the only reason it has maintained this absurd status is because the FPS genre didn't build off the more progressive ideas that Crysis and Stalker presented, but instead became more consolized as it went the route of Halo and Call of Duty, and yes I'd rather play Half Life 2 than either of their recent campaigns. But that's being great when measured against lesser competition when you compare it the other great games ever, of its own era, and that came after, at no point am I sweating Half Life 2.

And how a game where the go to defense is "you had to play it back then" is one of the greatest ever, when a lot of the greatest games ever actually hold up fantastic and can be played today and you would recognize how brilliant the game design. But apparently expecting your game to have great gameplay is a crazy thought, sue me.

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#25  Edited By gmak2442
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@uninspiredcup:

I think we need to use the review of when it got released. It's like if you ask to make a review now with a 10 years old game.

Back in 2004, it was a great game. A 3A product. And I was not writing review in this past.

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#26 parkurtommo
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No it's not overrated. It isn't as good as current games, obviously. But at the time it was easily the best around in all fields, gameplay, graphics, storytelling, a lot of things.

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#27  Edited By deactivated-597794cd74015
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@parkurtommo said:

It isn't as good as current games, obviously.

What's so good about current games other than the graphics and maybe story ?

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#29  Edited By lamprey263
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Yes and no, it was a great game when it came out, it's still a great game today, but damn people really overpraise it.

It could have had a grander place in history as a next step in the Source engine for Valve and their development and publishing, except this game kind of came out at the same time Valve started picking up steam with Steam, and when they started making ends meet playing middle man to digital sales, there was no need to keep making games. Maybe they were working on HL2E3 or HL3, and/or a new Source engine with new easier to use development tools, but that took a backseat when they started with Windows 8 propaganda pieces, the Linux based Steam OS, the Steambox, getting games to work on Linux, getting third parties involved to make hardware.

If Valve had a mascot, it'd be Gordon Freeman. When I look at Half-Life, I see a series abandoned because Valve doesn't need it anymore. That to me will be Half-Life 2's legacy, the game that never concluded because the publisher was too good for its own masterpiece.

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I didn't play it until it was on Xbox as Half-Life 2 and then again on the 360 in The Orange Box. Sure, the original Xbox version was pretty crappy but I still really enjoyed the game. Enough to play it a second time with the great value of The Orange Box.

Is it overrated? Psht. I don't think it matters. It's an amazing game.

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#31 uninspiredcup
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@jg4xchamp said:

I know this is an uninspired troll thread so I should just wait for the reactions, but **** it.

Absolutely overrated, and not because of some metascore that's whatever to me. Not because someone called it the game of the gen, who fucking cares. It's more so this wild disgusting notion that if you didn't think Half Life 2 was anything short of great, that you're the crazy. It's the unjustified absolutely it must be great and you must think it's great or you are wrong mentality that surrounds this game that gets completely ridiculous. It's a first person shooter where the act of shooting things in the face is lame aspect of the game, from an era when games were actually awesome about shooting things in the face. **** the multiplayer that came with it has fantastic gunplay (Counterstrike Source). In any other genre where the core mechanic is the short coming, usually said game gets rightfully ripped a new one. In Half Life 2's case every excuse in the book is made for it.

Half Life 2 is a lot of things: well presented, well animated (those facial animations), a land mark achievement on the physics front, a variety of sequences, some really well done environmental story telling, fantastic at teaching the player through gameplay, and all around I'd even say it's a good game. But a great one? Why? The core mechanics are weak, the enemy AI is dull and unsatisfying, and there are entire stretches of gameplay that are a mother fucking slog to play through between the sewers, the boat level, any section where you are fighting antilions (controlling them was rad), or the fucking umpteenth time the game threw a see-saw puzzle my way just so Valve can go "look guys we made a physics engine". None of which was clever, because the Gravity Gun got that across significantly better and levels like Ravenholm are an absolute delight because of it. Nevermind, that it feels like obvious artificial lengthening because it's the same type of puzzle all over again, so it can't really use the God of War defense of the puzzles are meant to be a pacing mechanism.

And the story besides the poor man's 1984 routine, the shitty ending, the ridiculous Jesus like Status that Gordon Freeman has all the while being responsible for the invading Aliens, the games biggest sin is that bullshit that Alyx Vance is a fantastic character. She is terrible, yes she's well designed visually, well acted, and everyone loves pointing out how she's not slutty. Except her entire purpose in the game and motivation is two fold

-Jerk the player off by telling them how rad Gordon is and how basically she wants to **** him without saying she wants to **** him

-Be there to say everything is okay, only for shit around her to explode.

Her personality is nonexistent, because it's manufactured just to gas up the players ego. For all the slut shaming Bayonetta, at least she's a character. One with sass, whose funny, actually eloquent with her dialogue, and she's written Japanese dudes, so what was Alyx's excuse, Valve can't write worth a shit? Because even that's not true, because they were pretty legit when it came to Portal.

And the whole "you had to play it then" mantra. First I played it in 2004, second I can still go back to Metroid Prime and Super Metroid and they are fucking excellent. If I throw Resident Evil 4 in the disc tray that game will still kick all kinds of ass in the pacing, atmosphere, and variety department. Games like System Shock 2, Planescape's writing, Super Mario World don't need me to be in that era to actually see what is fantastic about them. When I go back to Half Life 2, I see a well produced and well presented game, that has so many short comings that make me wonder was everyone blinded by the technical achievement to see what they actually got was a good game, but not a great one?

Because in an era with better written games Silent Hill 2, Max Payne, Dreamfall, KoToR games, Mask of the Betrayer, better shooters: Unreal 2k4, Battlefield 2142 Escape from Butcher Bay, Metroid Prime 1 and 2, Far Cry, No One Lives Forever 2, Resident Evil 4, both Max Payne games, and other would be classics like Shadow of the Colossus, Civilization 3, Ico, Ninja Gaiden Black, Warcraft 3, Chaos Theory, Snake Eater, Viewtiful Joe, and what have you. I'm not seeing one of the best games ever.

I'm seeing a game that wasn't even the best game of its respective year on its own platform of its own genre, and frankly not even the best Half Life game, I'd still roll with the original on this one. It's good it's not great, plus it gave us Wasdie's avatar. That's terrorism if anything.

Frankly the only reason it has maintained this absurd status is because the FPS genre didn't build off the more progressive ideas that Crysis and Stalker presented, but instead became more consolized as it went the route of Halo and Call of Duty, and yes I'd rather play Half Life 2 than either of their recent campaigns. But that's being great when measured against lesser competition when you compare it the other great games ever, of its own era, and that came after, at no point am I sweating Half Life 2.

This is nine hundred and thirteen words.

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#32  Edited By intotheminx
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The first time I played Half Life 2 was on the 360. I was amazed by the game and it's episodes. That was several years ago now. I'm not sure if it stood the test of time, but I would welcome a episode to finish the series.

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Great game but if there was to be a third title in one of Valve's best series, I'd want it to be Portal.

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@uninspiredcup said:

This is nine hundred and thirteen words.

I legit laughed at loud as I scrolled down my long ass post to see what you typed, and one of my coworkers is looking at me like I'm an insane person.

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@Cloud_imperium said:

It's only "overrated" if you have already played dozens of copy cats and never played the game when it first came out to know about its impact and how new FPS games use it as a blue print (apart from handful of opinions who disagree but those are in minority). Half Life 2 deserves all the praise it gets.

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#36  Edited By Heil68
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Nope, its one of the best games ever, that's why people keep bring up HL3.

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It's the first FPS I ever played, and while I've definitely played one's I myself have enjoyed more, it is one of the most well put together games around.

With that said I think it deserves the praise

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#38  Edited By parkurtommo
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@faizanhd said:
@parkurtommo said:

It isn't as good as current games, obviously.

What's so good about current games other than the graphics and maybe story ?

Well you just said it basically.

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@jg4xchamp said:

It's a first person shooter where the act of shooting things in the face is a lame aspect of the game, from an era when games were actually awesome about shooting things in the face.

Yep. I say this all the time about Half-Life 2. The gunplay is shoddy, and watered-down at best.

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#40  Edited By jhonMalcovich
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It's only overrated among very few but very loud "System Warriors", plain trolls, Sony fanboys and kids who started playing games quite recently and know a darn about video game history. Half Life 2 is the game of the generation according to dozens gaming magazines. And if we make a global poll, it surely makes to the top 5 of the games of all times. No need to discuss it here - a place full of insecure fanboys.

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I think a lot of people confuse impactful with excellence.

The n64 controller's analog stick was impactful. The n64 controller itself was a steaming pile of shit.

My only take aways from half-life2 were physics and maybe facial animation. I found doom3 way more fun at the time.

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#42 GarGx1
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It's as ground braking and influential in the FPS genre as Wolfenstein and Doom

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#43 The_Funyarinpa
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People think its overrated?

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#44  Edited By deactivated-59d151f079814
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No.. Not overrated.. Why? For one it brought us the source engine and pretty much set the blue prints on how games should be done modded (they are still making mods for the source engine to this day).. As for the actual game? It was a great game, what marred it is the fact that 95% of all the fps's out there for singleplayer campaigns ran this formula into the ground.. A tightly linear fps campaign with set pieces spread through out with major characters and story involved.. This has basically been your typical fps for a decade now after it's release.. But at it's release there really wasn't any fps quite like that..

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#45 ReadingRainbow4
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HL2 was a fantastic game at the time of release.

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#46  Edited By longtonguecat
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HL2 outclassed every other game in its genre at the time and it still feels like the majority of games in that genre borrow heavily from it.

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Half Life 2 is like any other piece of entertainment in that it is 100% subjective to individual tastes. Whose "rating" am I going by? Mine. That is the only rating that tells me if I think something is good or bad. No piece of entertainment will EVER entertain every person, that by definition is subjective. This is a stupid question brought on by a stupid idea that we can prove something to be "Best". Just because a film wins Best Picture doesn't mean it is be all end all above reproach the best film released in that year. And so it goes with any entertainment, my friend LOL

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#48 hrt_rulz01
Member since 2006 • 22681 Posts

It's still my favourite game of all time.

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#49 sonic_spark
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The game is that good, period. It was a technical marvel at that time, great physics, interesting plot, diverse gameplay, and to this day it's still an unique shooter with all the puzzle and adventure elements in it.

Plus, at the time, it came with Counter-Strike Source. 'Nuff said.

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#50 blueinheaven
Member since 2008 • 5564 Posts

Why Half Life 2? That's not the game that kicked off the Half Life Is God craze, the first one is. When the first one came out there was nothing like it, it changed FPS forever and was an excellent game not just an excellent concept, though it hasn't aged well but FPS rarely do specially the good ones which are seen as tech demos of their time as much as games (Crysis as an i.e. which incidentally was over-rated lol).

Half Life 2 was great but not amazing it didn't have anything like the impact the first one did so I would say yes, it's over-rated, but the first one was not.