is it Nintendo's fault that the Wii has bad games?

I personally think Nintendo gets bashed alot about this really. Its Nintendo job to make the system and make a few games along with it.

However Nintendo cannot babysit the thing forever. Its its time when it grows up and it has to start relying on third party developers. Unfortunately most of the third party developers who make games for the wii are complete garbage. But honestly is that the Wii's fault? or Nintendo? I personally blame these darn developers trying to cash in minigames for full fledged games, "cough: CARNIVAL GAMES "cough"

But heres hoping that Nintendo gets a new Mario or Zelda out as soon as possible thoe:) 

I think the wii can be a great system if the developers would actually spend a little time with the system. Their is no excuse if their are motion control problems if you ask me. I also can cast some blame on the blasted PS2. Now don't get me wrong I love my PS2. It could be the best system I have ever bought. But Sony has got to move on. The PS2 is pretty much on live support. They need to pull the plug so Developers can get at least decent multyplatform games with the wii instead of stupid buggy PS2 ports.

Overall the wii is a decent system. It did great when it was first released. But developers need to get work with this system so they can egt some good games out for it:(

It's not Nintendo's fault

the most popular console gets the most trash and shovelware. There's nothing that nintendo can do about it

actually its devs fault... though its true that the Wii's hardware is inferior compared to the other current consoles, its not really a question of power... Wii (hardware wise) is more powerful than last gen consoles and since last gen we had many (MANY) great games i would assume that considering Wii is slightly better in terms of hardware it is more than capable to run games of high quality...

Lets forget graphics since its impossible to create games that are visually on par with PS3 & 360, but i do believe that with some hard work by devs Wii can get more quality titles on the level of MGS3, GOW2, NG, RE4, FF12,Halo2, GT4, PGR3, Jak & the rest of the Nintendo 1st party franchises... (i did list some great titles which were released on Xbox & PS2 on purpose cause these were done on last-gen systems which are inferior to Wii's hardware, so surely Wii is more than capable of running games with such quality standards)

I dont own a Wii so i am not trying to defend it, but i've played SMG and i know that the Wii is capable of running great games, probably devs are not that interested in investing MORE time/money on the system for which mediocre titles would have good sales....

A little of both, they promoted casual games and the console is underpowered. But devs can make good proper games and not just crappy cash-ins.

So yes and no.

A bit of both.... Their own fault for having a cheap/not as powerfull succesfull selling system and making it so appealing to a "non" gamer / "casual gamer... Damm the more I think about what they did was right for them and the most succesfull thing they could of possibly done... even if it annoys the "core" gamer(not all of them)

Its gonna get alot of shovelware and c**p just based on the sheer number it has sold.... its like sending 1million spam emails your gonna get a percentage who think its serious... You look at the publishers like like Popcorn Arcade the games are quick and easy to make and shovel them out will get picked up by a few people thus making it worth while to make this c**p

Indirectly, there is some blame to be had for Nintendo. By making the Wii less powerful than the other major consoles and by having an unconventional control scheme, devs are limited by what they can do unless they spend a vast amount of time and resources on a project. Not to mention the fact that Nintendo's third-party relations have been virtually nonexistent post-SNES, so the devs are pretty much on their own unless they're one of the lucky few that Nintendo suddenly decides to work with on a project.

I believe most of the blame rests on the devs though. It's clear from looking at the Wii's library that shovelware has become the latest rage for devs looking to make a quick buck.  They don't put time and care into their games: they just want the money of the casualn00bs that are too naive to tell the difference between what's good and what's fail. Unfortunately, as is the norm for every other aspect of existence, the legit are but an extremely small island amidst a sea of excrement.

It's not Nintendo's fault

the most popular console gets the most trash and shovelware. There's nothing that nintendo can do about it

killerfist

The most popular console used to also get the most AAA titles. Not true with the Wii. Very true with the PS2,PS, and SNES.

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It's not Nintendo's fault

the most popular console gets the most trash and shovelware. There's nothing that nintendo can do about it

Bread_or_Decide

The most popular console used to also get the most AAA titles. Not true with the Wii. Very true with the PS2,PS, and SNES.

but the Ps2, PS and Snes also had the most shovelware if I remeber correctly.

yup its their fault

they made atrocious games like mario, zelda, metroid and smash bros 

they should just stop and get third party and something because they will go bankrupt sooner then you think 

Actually it is Nintendo's fault. They were the ones to released an underpowered console with terrible conrols which so far has turned developers away instead of bringing them in._Pinbot_

no more heroes says no. it can be done, but developers need to get their heads around the motion sensing.

i think the big reason for the amount of shovelware and bad games for the Wii has to do with the entry fee. let's face it: developing a game on the Wii is much less expensive than developing on the 360 or PS3. a lot of fly-by-night developers use that to make a quick buck. you can see the same trend on the GBA and DS.

that being said, Ninty does have a lot of quality games. you just have to make an informed purchase.

Well Nintendo did a system where you could make cheaper games allowing it too easily get a lot more bad games...

What devs fail too realize however is that they can also make a lot of good games for the Wii, not just quick money....  

Well Nintendo did a system where you could make cheaper games allowing it too easily get a lot more bad games...

 

 

What devs fail too realize however is that they can also make a lot of good games for the Wii, not just quick money....  

omgimba

thats the problem quick and easy too make c**p games and some poor sucker buys making it worth while for the company to produce... Just look at Popcorn Arcades covers for there games there bright,"cute" and colourful which makes kids go I want that one!

I think it's partially their fault and partially the fault of the 3rd party development teams.

It's their fault in that they sent such strong signals through the mainstream and gaming media that their console was designed for simpler, more non-gamer friendly gaming (intense Wii Music/Wii Fit/Wii Sports/etc. marketing) fare. It's the developers' faults for taking this to heart in a backwards way.... making generic games that reek of lack of effort. Nintendo has accumulated a vast demographic of these types of consumers, and many development teams believe that they need to make games that also appeal primarily to this base in order for their products to be financially successful on the Wii.

Putting the fault solely on Nintendo's shoulders doesn't make any sense, as they've made quite a few genuinely fantastic 1st party titles (TP, Galaxy, Prime, etc.,) there's no reason more developers can't follow that example.

Yes. They set the standard. They set the example. When games like Wii Music and Wii Fit and Wii Sports are their top priorities third parties tend to follow their lead. Third parties see games like mario, zelda, metroid, and smash brothers as exceptions to the rule.Bread_or_Decide

not sure where your logic is...

if the hardware is just a little bit better than last gen, and last gen had alot of AAA games from 3rd party publishers, then how is it solely Nintendo's fault that those same 3rd party publishers cant make a AAA game on the Wii? :|

It's not Nintendo's fault

the most popular console gets the most trash and shovelware. There's nothing that nintendo can do about it

killerfist

but the wii's odd controlls and underpowered hardware turn games that should be good into trash. like red steel. that wasnt shovelware but it was trash.

The Wii is still popular among the casual crowd. Remember that. And that's the demo they're trying to market toward. Most hard-core gamers have moved on to the 360 or PS3 or both. So if you put out a multiplat for core gamers, it's not whether the Wii can support the multiplat (it can), it's a matter of why would any core gamer who owns either the 360 or PS3 buy the Wii version. COD WAW is a perfect example. It's a decent game (I would even say good) on the Wii. IGN gave it an 8.0. But why would you buy the Wii version if you have a 360 or PS3, which most hard core gamers have by now. I have all three and I would never buy a game like COD WAW on the Wii. Controls may be good but it doesn't make this type of game and the visuals and the community are far lacking.

 To regain some respect. Nintendo needs to do several things. First, it needs to start saying no to crap games coming out. The Nintendo seal of Quality used to mean something back in the days of the NES and SNES. Second, Third parties need to develop unique, GOOD games for the Wii (like World of Goo) that make us want to buy them. The new Shaun White Snowboarding game is a perfect example of that. It's not unique in that it's also on the PS3 and 360 but its controls sound interesting and for me, I would sacrafice some graphics for controls that simulate actual snowboarding. I will buy this game for the Wii when it comes out but I wouldn't get it for the PS3 or 360 as smashing buttons to simulate snowboarding doesn't appeal to me. Let's face it, the Wii will never win in the graphics component. But it is capable of producing excellent games that can compete with the rest (SMG is one example, among others). 

well there responsible for the games they make. overall nintendo are probably the finest makers of games on the planet but they do release duds (like wii play which badly demonstrates the wiimote and wii music which seems to have failed to do what it was supposed to do, poor implementation) like any company does. they do have to answer for that in the end.

as far as 3rd parties go though...absolutely not. ninty dont tell them to make crap (on the contrary, ninty have voiced there dissapointment with 3rd party games on wii) nor do they control what the developer does. ok they could just outright stop them being released on the wii....but that brings with it a whole other set of problems...problems which nintendo know all to well since they were one of the big advocates of censoring their previous consoles.

if 3rd parties cant get their head around wii...or just couldnt be bothered to make a quality game on it then thats their problem and is a bad reflection on them.