Is it only a coincidence that the 360 is getting so many GOOD original games?

I was thinking just a few minutes ago about the upcoming Xbox 360 lineup... and it suddenly occurred to me that almost all of the hit games its had so far, and all of the soon to be hits games are brand new original titles... not sequels.

Think about it, Gears of War, Lost Planet, Dead Rising, GRAW, Bioshock, Mass Effect, Too Human, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata, all of them original games. Why is it that the 360 is getting so many original games, while the Wii and perhaps even the PS3 are getting so many crap sequels? Is there something particularly unique about the 360 that makes developers want to put their new IP's on that platform?

Wait a little and you see that the x360 will also have its crappy sequels and portsas well,Ubisoft is not going to let you down on that :P.

Edit:Why this thing keeps eating my spaces?

It is and i'm liking the consistancy of this coincidence.hongkingkong

Yeah i hope it continues.Banjo FTW.

so is the ps3. resistance, lair, Warhawk, haze, white knight story, home, little big planet, and heavenly sword.

also by no means are they getting"crap" sequals. Ninga gaiden sigma, RB6 vagas(new online maps), ratchet and clank, socom, tekken 6, FFXIII, and MGS4

and btw GRAW2 is a sequal, thats why there is a 2 after it

Because Lems don't like crap that's been rehashed over nearly 3 decaades?BigDaddyPOLO

Oh yeah and its two decades, not three... and I'm proud to say that one of those "rehashes" earned one of only (four?) perfect tens at Gamespot, and another is considered a game that paved the way for modern 3D gaming.

how is GRAW not a sequal?cobrax25

How is Bioshock not a sequel, or for that matter, how is Mass Effect not a sequel to KOTOR, set in a different universe? These games aren't new or unique (other than Too Human, which should not be on your list as it is not only not initially designed for the 360, but frankly far too great a game to be allowed in any list without at least five paragraphs of deep, reverant praise for the storyline, and Dyack's undying commitment to making something great of his games.

Dead Rising, Gears of War, and Too Human are the only unique games on that list - everything else is the product of the serilization of a few main genres that have occured. I will have a 360 for Too Human, GeoW, and Halo 3 - but everything else has simply been well made games, not really "fresh new ideas".

[QUOTE="hongkingkong"]It is and i'm liking the consistancy of this coincidence.Hater3000

Yeah i hope it continues.Banjo FTW.

Yep save this game from the wii's innovation, best platformer ever!

Games like that have the most room on the Xbox 360.

Easy as pie development, Next Gen Graphics, Good install base, Good online, etc.

PS3 devs have to bleed for good games.

And Wii is Limited.

I don't think it's a coincidence. I think of it as being good business. I think MS learned from the first Xbox and now games are coming out consistantly.

so is the ps3. resistance, lair, Warhawk, haze, white knight story, home, little big planet, and heavenly sword.

also by no means are they getting"crap" sequals. Ninga gaiden sigma, RB6 vagas(new online maps), ratchet and clank, socom, tekken 6, FFXIII, and MGS4

and btw GRAW2 is a sequal, thats why there is a 2 after it

mattyomo99

Because Lems don't like crap that's been rehashed over nearly 3 decaades?BigDaddyPOLO

Hence why lemmings want FF and MGS to come to the 360 :roll:

It's funny that most games for the 360 are infact pc games bought by microsoft to become exclusive to the 360.

i'd say being a year earlier and having 3rd party support start years before lauch would help with that.

not to mention getting pc devs on board last gen.

[QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

so is the ps3. resistance, lair, Warhawk, haze, white knight story, home, little big planet, and heavenly sword.

also by no means are they getting"crap" sequals. Ninga gaiden sigma, RB6 vagas(new online maps), ratchet and clank, socom, tekken 6, FFXIII, and MGS4

and btw GRAW2 is a sequal, thats why there is a 2 after it

REVOLUTIONfreak

Little Big Planet, Heavenly Sword, and Lair are all exciting new content - bash them, and you leave the 360 just as open to having the games you listed critized - deny it and you're denying that originality is the driving force behind quality (aka conceding to the Nintendo fans) - and try and pretend those games *aren't* creative - and well, let's see how well a handful of FPS and sandbox titles hold up to that microscope...

The 360 has good title because developers invested the time into making the *gameplay* stand out in these titles. Nothing more, nothing less. All the creativity in the world won't save a title if it's a chore to play it.

[QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

so is the ps3. resistance, lair, Warhawk, haze, white knight story, home, little big planet, and heavenly sword.

also by no means are they getting"crap" sequals. Ninga gaiden sigma, RB6 vagas(new online maps), ratchet and clank, socom, tekken 6, FFXIII, and MGS4

and btw GRAW2 is a sequal, thats why there is a 2 after it

REVOLUTIONfreak

So Warhawk is a sequal from a game from 1991, fair enough. But GRAW2 isn't a sequal? :P

ps. you can buy warhawk on a bluray too ;)

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[QUOTE="cobrax25"]how is GRAW not a sequal?subrosian

How is Bioshock not a sequel, or for that matter, how is Mass Effect not a sequel to KOTOR, set in a different universe? These games aren't new or unique (other than Too Human, which should not be on your list as it is not only not initially designed for the 360, but frankly far too great a game to be allowed in any list without at least five paragraphs of deep, reverant praise for the storyline, and Dyack's undying commitment to making something great of his games.

Okay...Saying that mass effect is a sequel to Kotor just because it has similar gameplay mechanics made me cry for your soul. Its not the same franchise, story line, anything. Its like saying Dead Rising is a sequel to Resident Evil.

[QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]how is GRAW not a sequal?StealthedRogue

How is Bioshock not a sequel, or for that matter, how is Mass Effect not a sequel to KOTOR, set in a different universe? These games aren't new or unique (other than Too Human, which should not be on your list as it is not only not initially designed for the 360, but frankly far too great a game to be allowed in any list without at least five paragraphs of deep, reverant praise for the storyline, and Dyack's undying commitment to making something great of his games.

Okay...Saying that mass effect is a sequel to Kotor just because it has similar gameplay mechanics made me cry for your soul. Its not the same franchise, story line, anything. Its like saying Dead Rising is a sequel to Resident Evil.

well it's basically the same thing. A sequel doesn't have to be bad if it refreshes the gameplay. Which is something that nintendo have done over the years.

[QUOTE="StealthedRogue"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]how is GRAW not a sequal?_Pedro_

How is Bioshock not a sequel, or for that matter, how is Mass Effect not a sequel to KOTOR, set in a different universe? These games aren't new or unique (other than Too Human, which should not be on your list as it is not only not initially designed for the 360, but frankly far too great a game to be allowed in any list without at least five paragraphs of deep, reverant praise for the storyline, and Dyack's undying commitment to making something great of his games.

Okay...Saying that mass effect is a sequel to Kotor just because it has similar gameplay mechanics made me cry for your soul. Its not the same franchise, story line, anything. Its like saying Dead Rising is a sequel to Resident Evil.

well it's basically the same thing. A sequel doesn't have to be bad if it refreshes the gameplay. Which is something that nintendo have done over the years.

[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"][QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

so is the ps3. resistance, lair, Warhawk, haze, white knight story, home, little big planet, and heavenly sword.

also by no means are they getting"crap" sequals. Ninga gaiden sigma, RB6 vagas(new online maps), ratchet and clank, socom, tekken 6, FFXIII, and MGS4

and btw GRAW2 is a sequal, thats why there is a 2 after it

raualex

So Warhawk is a sequal from a game from 1991, fair enough. But GRAW2 isn't a sequal? :P

ps. you can buy warhawk on a bluray too ;)

stupid gs eated my post

yea like warhawk is anyyything like the original warhawk, and home is a entertaining and original idea plus its free.

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="StealthedRogue"][QUOTE="subrosian"]

[QUOTE="cobrax25"]how is GRAW not a sequal?Eltroz

How is Bioshock not a sequel, or for that matter, how is Mass Effect not a sequel to KOTOR, set in a different universe? These games aren't new or unique (other than Too Human, which should not be on your list as it is not only not initially designed for the 360, but frankly far too great a game to be allowed in any list without at least five paragraphs of deep, reverant praise for the storyline, and Dyack's undying commitment to making something great of his games.

Okay...Saying that mass effect is a sequel to Kotor just because it has similar gameplay mechanics made me cry for your soul. Its not the same franchise, story line, anything. Its like saying Dead Rising is a sequel to Resident Evil.

well it's basically the same thing. A sequel doesn't have to be bad if it refreshes the gameplay. Which is something that nintendo have done over the years.

Mass Effect is KOTOR with improved graphics, a better dialogue system, and a new universe / characters / story. It's the jump from FF VIII from FF VII. It is, in fact, a sequel in the same way Final Fantasy games are sequels to each other, even though they do not carry storyline, universe, charactes, etc from one game to the next.

look, a company can make a game that has similar gameplay mechanics and not be a sequel.

Why?

Because it is a COMPLETELY different story, universe, characters, enemies, enviroment, ect.

I dont know how to get this across to ya man. Square made Final Fantasy, they also made Kingdom Hearts Dragon Quest, and Star Ocean. Are those all sequels to the Final fantasy franchise because they are RPGs with fantasy elements and similar gamelay?

[QUOTE="Eltroz"][QUOTE="_Pedro_"]

well it's basically the same thing. A sequel doesn't have to be bad if it refreshes the gameplay. Which is something that nintendo have done over the years.

subrosian

Mass Effect is KOTOR with improved graphics, a better dialogue system, and a new universe / characters / story. It's the jump from FF VIII from FF VII. It is, in fact, a sequel in the same way Final Fantasy games are sequels to each other, even though they do not carry storyline, universe, charactes, etc from one game to the next.

Nice, that proves my point aswell. :)

look, a company can make a game that has similar gameplay mechanics and not be a sequel.

Why?

Because it is a COMPLETELY different story, universe, characters, enemies, enviroment, ect.

I dont know how to get this across to ya man. Square made Final Fantasy, they also made Kingdom Hearts Dragon Quest, and Star Ocean. Are those all sequels to the Final fantasy franchise because they are RPGs with fantasy elements and similar gamelay?

StealthedRogue

Exactly. I can't believe people in here are stating that ME is a sequel to KOTOR. :lol: However you try and spin it , it's not.

360 just has a lot of console exclusive new IPs comming. Mass Effect, Alan Wake, Huxley, Lost Odyessy, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonta, Infinite Undiscovery, Cry On, Too Human , Vampires Rain, Two Worlds, Halo Wars, Overlord, Too Human, plus many more.

Also a lot of new IPs already that have come out. Some scored good some not. Call of Juarez, Shadowrun, Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Gears of War,Viva Pinata, Kameo, Saints Row,

That is true. The Nintendo franchises have been reused too many times. But the thing is with sequels, if the others were a hit then most likely it will be a hit as well. There is no need to make a new IP.r_h_i_e

you would think that, but all the 360 and PS3 have been bashed for is their lack of orginalilty and having too many sequals, while wii was suppose to be orginal...

360 just has a lot of console exclusive new IPs comming. Mass Effect, Alan Wake, Huxley, Lost Odyessy, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonta, Infinite Undiscovery, Cry On, Too Human , Vampires Rain, Two Worlds, Halo Wars, Overlord, Too Human, plus many more.

Also a lot of new IPs already that have come out. Some scored good some not. Call of Juarez, Shadowrun, Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Gears of War,Viva Pinata, Kameo, Saints Row,

Eltroz

ahem...

[QUOTE="Eltroz"]

360 just has a lot of console exclusive new IPs comming. Mass Effect, Alan Wake, Huxley, Lost Odyessy, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonta, Infinite Undiscovery, Cry On, Too Human , Vampires Rain, Two Worlds, Halo Wars, Overlord, Too Human, plus many more.

Also a lot of new IPs already that have come out. Some scored good some not. Call of Juarez, Shadowrun, Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Gears of War,Viva Pinata, Kameo, Saints Row,

_Pedro_

ahem...

Good point, but in his defense this iteration of Shadowrun has nothing to do with the others. But I agree with the ahem.. :D

lol blue dragon floped in japan and if they dont want it it won t sell in westdeadmeat59

What? Blue Dragon sold relatively well in Japan. Also, I want it and so do many other people. Move along please.

This stuff about M.E. being a sequel to KOTOR is just so wrong I cant believe what I'm reading !!!

If fanboys believe this then every console FPS is a sequel to Goldeneye - you gotta be a real fanboy to buy this line of thinking - 4real !!! :(

[QUOTE="_Pedro_"][QUOTE="Eltroz"]

360 just has a lot of console exclusive new IPs comming. Mass Effect, Alan Wake, Huxley, Lost Odyessy, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonta, Infinite Undiscovery, Cry On, Too Human , Vampires Rain, Two Worlds, Halo Wars, Overlord, Too Human, plus many more.

Also a lot of new IPs already that have come out. Some scored good some not. Call of Juarez, Shadowrun, Dead Rising, Lost Planet, Gears of War,Viva Pinata, Kameo, Saints Row,

dhjohns

ahem...

Good point, but in his defense this iteration of Shadowrun has nothing to do with the others. But I agree with the ahem.. :D

hehe couldn't help myself :P

This stuff about M.E. being a sequel to KOTOR is just so wrong I cant believe what I'm reading !!!

If fanboys believe this then every console FPS is a sequel to Goldeneye - you gotta be a real fanboy to buy this line of thinking - 4real !!! :(

SecretPolice

I don't think it's to be taken literally. The point I was trying to make is that sequels aren't always bad as long as they refresh the gameplay. In terms of gameplay some sequels are more different than when games are given a different name.

No,microsoft knows we dont want to play the same thing over and over again like sheep and sony so they make new ones.

while sheep only have zelda,metroid prime, and mario:lol:

[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]lol blue dragon floped in japan and if they dont want it it won t sell in westdhjohns

What? Blue Dragon sold relatively well in Japan. Also, I want it and so do many other people. Move along please.

That theory is just stupid. The fact that oblivion sold amazingly here but flopped in japan debunks that statement right there.

Note: Its opposite, but same idea. (America->Japn/Japan->America) Its just that the two countries have very different tastes when it comes to gaming. For all we know Blue Dragon will be a super smash hit in the states, which might happen considering all the underground hype it has recieved over the last few months.

This stuff about M.E. being a sequel to KOTOR is just so wrong I cant believe what I'm reading !!!

If fanboys believe this then every console FPS is a sequel to Goldeneye - you gotta be a real fanboy to buy this line of thinking - 4real !!! :(

SecretPolice

I agree. BTW have you checked out the new GodenEye XXXV. Maybe you heard it under it's "street title" Rainbow 6. I love it!

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[QUOTE="deadmeat59"]lol blue dragon floped in japan and if they dont want it it won t sell in westStealthedRogue

What? Blue Dragon sold relatively well in Japan. Also, I want it and so do many other people. Move along please.

That theory is just stupid. The fact that oblivion sold amazingly here but flopped in japan debunks that statement right there.

Note: Its opposite, but same idea. (America->Japn/Japan->America) Its just that the two countries have very different tastes when it comes to gaming. For all we know Blue Dragon will be a super smash hit in the states, which might happen considering all the underground hype it has recieved over the last few months.

I agree with you there; however, I don't think it flopped in Japan. It didn't set the sale charts on fire, but in comparison to the user base it did OK. It also pushed some 360s. So to say it flopped in Japan uis just plain wrong.

[QUOTE="StealthedRogue"]

look, a company can make a game that has similar gameplay mechanics and not be a sequel.

Why?

Because it is a COMPLETELY different story, universe, characters, enemies, enviroment, ect.

I dont know how to get this across to ya man. Square made Final Fantasy, they also made Kingdom Hearts Dragon Quest, and Star Ocean. Are those all sequels to the Final fantasy franchise because they are RPGs with fantasy elements and similar gamelay?

dhjohns

Exactly. I can't believe people in here are stating that ME is a sequel to KOTOR. :lol: However you try and spin it , it's not.

If Square-Enix called Final Fantasy XIII "Magic Floopy Quest for Spinny Orb Goodness Part XIII" would that make it any less of a Final Fantasy title? We would sit down, play it, and go "this is not a Final Fantasy game". KOTOR was an excellent game, and it set down what I'll call the "KOTOR style" of gameplay. Mass Effect is an evolution of KOTOR, creating a different world doesn't change this any more than Final Fantasy VIII having a new world, set of characters, storyline, stat system, and summon system made it still a Final Fantasy game.

If Madden 2008 is called "This is NOT a football game" and the grass on all the fields is purple, does that make it any less of a football l game? Mass Effect is going to play like KOTOR set in a non-SW (star wars) universe - the only reason it is not called KOTOR III is because the Jedi have been replaced with "psycho-biological warriors" who use mind powers... that's not, y'know, *at all* the same thing as Jedi. Oh, and planet hoping, choosing between good and evil, and building up your party so you can free roam from world to world in a universe shaped by your decisions, with a real-time (but you can pause it) combat system ... this is not like a KOTOR sequel *at all* - you can't even tell they're made by the same company :roll:

Get real. Mass Effect is KOTOR III - nothing wrong with that. If Bioshock can be System Shock III, Mass Effect is KOTOR III - you can be a sequel without carrying the storyline over.

[QUOTE="dhjohns"][QUOTE="StealthedRogue"]

look, a company can make a game that has similar gameplay mechanics and not be a sequel.

Why?

Because it is a COMPLETELY different story, universe, characters, enemies, enviroment, ect.

I dont know how to get this across to ya man. Square made Final Fantasy, they also made Kingdom Hearts Dragon Quest, and Star Ocean. Are those all sequels to the Final fantasy franchise because they are RPGs with fantasy elements and similar gamelay?

subrosian

Exactly. I can't believe people in here are stating that ME is a sequel to KOTOR. :lol: However you try and spin it , it's not.

If Square-Enix called Final Fantasy XIII "Magic Floopy Quest for Spinny Orb Goodness Part XIII" would that make it any less of a Final Fantasy title? We would sit down, play it, and go "this is not a Final Fantasy game". KOTOR was an excellent game, and it set down what I'll call the "KOTOR style" of gameplay. Mass Effect is an evolution of KOTOR, creating a different world doesn't change this any more than Final Fantasy VIII having a new world, set of characters, storyline, stat system, and summon system made it still a Final Fantasy game.

If Madden 2008 is called "This is NOT a football game" and the grass on all the fields is purple, does that make it any less of a football l game? Mass Effect is going to play like KOTOR set in a non-SW (star wars) universe - the only reason it is not called KOTOR III is because the Jedi have been replaced with "psycho-biological warriors" who use mind powers... that's not, y'know, *at all* the same thing as Jedi. Oh, and planet hoping, choosing between good and evil, and building up your party so you can free roam from world to world in a universe shaped by your decisions, with a real-time (but you can pause it) combat system ... this is not like a KOTOR sequel *at all* - you can't even tell they're made by the same company :roll:

Get real. Mass Effect is KOTOR III - nothing wrong with that. If Bioshock can be System Shock III, Mass Effect is KOTOR III - you can be a sequel without carrying the storyline over.

It's not a coincidence that 80% of those great games involve shooting.Michael85

so? its better then party games and mini games.

shooting is this gen8)

[QUOTE="REVOLUTIONfreak"][QUOTE="mattyomo99"]

so is the ps3. resistance, lair, Warhawk, haze, white knight story, home, little big planet, and heavenly sword.

also by no means are they getting"crap" sequals. Ninga gaiden sigma, RB6 vagas(new online maps), ratchet and clank, socom, tekken 6, FFXIII, and MGS4

and btw GRAW2 is a sequal, thats why there is a 2 after it

subrosian

Little Big Planet, Heavenly Sword, and Lair are all exciting new content - bash them, and you leave the 360 just as open to having the games you listed critized - deny it and you're denying that originality is the driving force behind quality (aka conceding to the Nintendo fans) - and try and pretend those games *aren't* creative - and well, let's see how well a handful of FPS and sandbox titles hold up to that microscope...

The 360 has good title because developers invested the time into making the *gameplay* stand out in these titles. Nothing more, nothing less. All the creativity in the world won't save a title if it's a chore to play it.

ps3 is full of rehash too. killzone (LOL) mgs ect ect

So let me ask one question. Aside from Halo in last gen Xbox? What major franchises does Microsoft have (not talking about ones being built right now).

So other than these new IPs that will inevitably become new franchises, there are really none beyond Halo that are truly system defining like say Mario, Zelda, Metal Gear, Final Fantasy, etc.

That and Microsoft takes chances (and has more money than anyone else).

Maybe they are just more hungry than anyone. I don't know, but that is a valid observation you made.