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#1 Vinegar_Strokes
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its clear that system wars is home to some of the best, most hardcore gamers in gaming. these gamers are obviously very proud of this and will tell you at every opportuntity just how great they are.

is it possible for someone that is so hardcore to enjoy and have fun with a casual game.

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#2 spookykid143
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I don't see why not

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#3 nbessiner
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Yes, I enjoy lots of games considered hardcore and lots of games considered casual

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#4 Crimsader
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Well yes, I play on the Wii from time to time.
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#5 mrmusicman247
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Of course. I was just playing Dance Central just the other day.
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#6 Doom_HellKnight
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Yes, of course.
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#7 BaraChat
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Couldn't you go hardcore on a casual game? I could go (I sometimes do) "hardcore" on Tetris or Wii Sports Resort and I could go casual on BC2 or New Vegas.

But seriously, for the sake of the discussion, it's the most obvious "yes" you will receive. Maybe not all "hardcore" gamers are going to enjoy "casual" games, but I'm fairly certain most of them do on a regular basis.

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#8 shutdown_202
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Im a casual gamer and enjoy core games. Sure it works the other way too.

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#9 SecretPolice
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The truly Hardcore play everything the fakers don't. :o

Just sayin. :P

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#10 WilliamRLBaker
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If your a gamer then you enjoy all games that appeal to you.

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#11 VanDammFan
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If by "hardcore" you mean...Someone who only plays shootes and goes for killstreaks 24/7..NO..that person would not enjoy Mario or Wii sports, or LBP or anything of the sort..BUT if by "hardcore" you mean someone who playes videogames as their main hobby???SURE..

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#12 Vesica_Prime
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I enjoy Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sports, Rock Band 3 etc. with people just because they fulfill their purpose which is to have fun.

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#13 Arach666
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Of course,I do console gaming as well.
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#14 Maroxad
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There are some hardcore gamers playing Wii Sports and other casual games almost exclusively. So yes. I would even argue there are hardcore Farmville only gamers, yes Farmville.

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#15 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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A lot of people have Wii's... nothing to be ashamed about.
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#16 LaytonsCat
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I enjoy Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sports, Rock Band 3 etc. with people just because they fulfill their purpose which is to have fun.

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should that not be every game? I play games like Animal Crossing, and games like MGS. If you only play games with blood and boobs you miss out on way to much outstanfing content to be considered a hardcore gamer

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#17 gpuFX16
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Of course. I won both an X360 and a Wii, and currently I'm playing both de Blob 2 (colorful platformer) and Crysis 2 (Sci-Fi FPS). I think you're missing out on a lot if you only play shooters and mostly violent games. I know that there's only so much brown, gray, and red I can take before I get tired of it.

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I went from GeOW2 to Kirby/Pokemon many times :).

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#19 Some-Mist
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yes. as I've said in the past, there's hardcore games and hardcore gamers. Hardcore gamers can invest a lot of time into any type of game, whether it be casual/family or niche titles. Hardcore games are those which are titles such as niche/difficult/or something that wouldn't necessarily appeal to the mainstream crowd - but you don't have to be a hardcore gamer to play hardcore games. Many not-so-hardcore games have played games such as demon's souls.

So, I think it's definitely possible to be a hardcore gamer that invests most of his/her time into Wii sports.

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#20 Lucianu
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Yes... Yes it is. Every human does it.

Or do you play only hard PC games and punishing 2D platformers for hours on end, and replay them for the challenge?

That's 'hardcore'.

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No. Most "hardcore" gamers only get enjoyment out of incredibly masochistic games.

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#22 Some-Mist
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No. Most "hardcore" gamers only get enjoyment out of incredibly masochistic games.foxhound_fox
since your statement isn't: "No. ALL hardcore gamers...", wouldn't that imply that it's "possible" to be hardcore and enjoycasual games?

I dunno whether I'd be considered hardcore or not, but I spend the majority of my time playing shmups (ketsui, dodonpachi, futari, ikaruga, battle garegga), but I don't limit myself to masochistic games. I enjoy playing games such as Wii sports with friends.

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#23 jakandsig
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"Hardcore and Enjoy casual games?"

Yes, because if you like this:

Then you MUST LOVE this:

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#24 XaosII
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Halo is casual. The vast majority of console games are casual. There is no FPS on consoles that is not casual. So, yes, you can consider yourself "hardcore" and enjoy casual games. Because thats pretty much what most people here are doing.

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#25 jakandsig
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Halo is casual. The vast majority of console games are casual. There is no FPS on consoles that is not casual. So, yes, you can consider yourself "hardcore" and enjoy casual games. Because thats pretty much what most people here are doing.

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Halo is not casual. COD is casual.
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#26 XaosII
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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

Halo is casual. The vast majority of console games are casual. There is no FPS on consoles that is not casual. So, yes, you can consider yourself "hardcore" and enjoy casual games. Because thats pretty much what most people here are doing.

jakandsig

Halo is not casual. COD is casual.

They are both casual. You cannot sell millions and millions of units of a game without having a large casual appeal and gameplay.

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#27 KalEl370
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[QUOTE="jakandsig"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

Halo is casual. The vast majority of console games are casual. There is no FPS on consoles that is not casual. So, yes, you can consider yourself "hardcore" and enjoy casual games. Because thats pretty much what most people here are doing.

XaosII

Halo is not casual. COD is casual.

They are both casual. You cannot sell millions and millions of units of a game without having a large casual appeal and gameplay.

Stalker has sold millions...is it now casual too? Lol...PC gamers crack me up.
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#28 Vinegar_Strokes
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[QUOTE="jakandsig"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

Halo is casual. The vast majority of console games are casual. There is no FPS on consoles that is not casual. So, yes, you can consider yourself "hardcore" and enjoy casual games. Because thats pretty much what most people here are doing.

XaosII

Halo is not casual. COD is casual.

They are both casual. You cannot sell millions and millions of units of a game without having a large casual appeal and gameplay.

so any high selling game franchise is causal then.
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[QUOTE="XaosII"]

[QUOTE="jakandsig"] Halo is not casual. COD is casual.KalEl370

They are both casual. You cannot sell millions and millions of units of a game without having a large casual appeal and gameplay.

Stalker has sold millions...is it now casual too? Lol...PC gamers crack me up.

Yep all games are casual now. No more challenging games are left. I say bring back the health packs, 1 life and you're done, no saves just have to play it in one sitting or hope no one turns the game off.
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#30 Heil68
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Absolutely.
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#31 XaosII
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Stalker has sold millions...is it now casual too? Lol...PC gamers crack me up.KalEl370

Its a challenging game. But its an FPS that you can pick up, learn, and play fairly easily. Difficulty doesn't have anything to do with being hardcore. Tetris on a very fast speed is a very difficult game - but it doesn't make it hardcore. So, yes, i can easily agree that Stalker has several casual elements and casual appeal.

so any high selling game franchise is causal then. Vinegar_Strokes

For the most part, yes. Millions of people is alot. Hardcore games are always desigend to appeal to a niche. No hardcore game has a market big enough to attract several millions of people.

People seem to get the impression that "casual" must be easy, simplistic, gimmicky, family-friendly, etc. Thats not true at all. If you analyze ANY casual game what will you find in common? The game allows you to make meaningful progress in a very short amount of time. Level-based puzzle games do this well since 5 minutes allows you to finish a level or 2. But guess what? Even a game like Halo is casual. 15 minutes allows you to complete a level or atleast make meningful progress. 15 minutes allows you to finish one mutliplayer match.

The opposite hold true for any hardcore game. In general, a hardcore game requires at least a few hours per session to make any meaningful progress. A flight sim, a 4X TBS, a realistic shooter, etc. these games require a long time before anything meaningful is done. Some, especially flight sims, can sometimes requires hours or preperation before you get to actually "do" anything.

The best selling games have both; Meaningful progress in a short span of time and the ability to keep you entertained for hours on end. Diablo-like games are perfect. 15 minutes of playing gets you loot and further into the level. It feels like you've done something. But you can also keep playing for hours in one session and feel satisfied. A game that caters ONLY to the hardcore market is a game thats requires a session of multiple hours to do anything. Most people do not have the time commitment for such. It will only appeal to a very small % of people.

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#32 fadersdream
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"casual games" is a term victimized by system wars. It's applied to any game you think is below YOU, or is not made by a developer you respect.

COD BOps is called a casual game, and so is super mario galaxy. Clearly "casual" is used to exclude games from a type, not include games into a type.

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#33 Some-Mist
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[QUOTE="KalEl370"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

They are both casual. You cannot sell millions and millions of units of a game without having a large casual appeal and gameplay.

xXDrPainXx

Stalker has sold millions...is it now casual too? Lol...PC gamers crack me up.

Yep all games are casual now. No more challenging games are left. I say bring back the health packs, 1 life and you're done, no saves just have to play it in one sitting or hope no one turns the game off.

hopefully sarcasm. If not, you should check out the danmaku shmups genre. Lately I've been playing a lot of dodonpachi daifukkatsu black labelwhich I wouldn't consider casual by any means.

I think casual games are those which nearly any gamer can pickup and play without practice and/or minimal effort. A pick up and play title regardless of the skill level/type of gamer. In terms of halo + cod, I wouldn't consider them casual titles, but they definitely aren't as hardcore or difficult as FPS titles from the previous generations i.e. counter-strike, quake 3, team fortress c lassic, tribes

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#34 lowkey254
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it depends on the casual game. I can't get happy about farmville but I'm cool with games like shatter.

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#35 jakandsig
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[QUOTE="KalEl370"][QUOTE="XaosII"]

They are both casual. You cannot sell millions and millions of units of a game without having a large casual appeal and gameplay.

xXDrPainXx

Stalker has sold millions...is it now casual too? Lol...PC gamers crack me up.

Yep all games are casual now. No more challenging games are left. I say bring back the health packs, 1 life and you're done, no saves just have to play it in one sitting or hope no one turns the game off.

In that case the NEW Crash Bandicoot games by Sierra are hardcore,

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#36 Kaze_no_Mirai
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A good game is a good game, regardless. So obviously yes.
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#37 nethernova
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No. Hardcore gamers immediately lose their hardcore status as soon as they touch a casual game.
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since your statement isn't: "No. ALL hardcore gamers...", wouldn't that imply that it's "possible" to be hardcore and enjoycasual games?

I dunno whether I'd be considered hardcore or not, but I spend the majority of my time playing shmups (ketsui, dodonpachi, futari, ikaruga, battle garegga), but I don't limit myself to masochistic games. I enjoy playing games such as Wii sports with friends.

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If you don't enjoy being slapped around by a game all the time, then you probably aren't hardcore. I enjoy SHMUPs as well, but I am a far, far cry from hardcore. I like playing games, not spending hours upon hours "practicing." Unless its Super Metroid for speed runs, then I'll practice. :3

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Yeah it is very possible.
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To me, if hardcore has any meaning related to gaming it equals one of two uses I've been using and seen used for decades:

A.) A game that is very, very difficult. Such that most users will not finish it or even come close to finishing it. And by extention any gamer who plays, enjoys, and does well at those games.

The toughest scrolling shoot em ups have often fallen into this category.

B.) A game that has a very large learning curve, making it in the main unapproachable at first, and thus often being labeled as part of a niche genre. And by extention any gamer who plays, enjoys and does well at those games.

Flight Sims that attempt realistic flight models, some Tactical Role-Playing Games, and heavy stat focused Dungeon Crawlers would be examples.

Casual is a term that was used far, far, far less often prior to this generation. I suppose if I can recall it being used it all, it was vaguely attached to card and board games, and the kinds of software that often came pre-installed on Windows in the Games section of the start menu when you bought a new PC, or those 100-in-1 style game packs that were available in the PC section at the store.

Since Tetris for instance, or a variation of it was often included in these suites, it would be logical to assume Tetris was casual, but when separated it would not have been referred to that way. Casual instead reflected how the game was being used more than the game itself. If you used it, like many people do, to kill a few minutes at work, it was a casual activity. If you actually regarded it as a video game you were going to sit down, play, and attempt to master, it wasn't, it wasn't hardcore as that was a reserved term, it simply was a video game.

It most definitely did not refer more broadly to games with a family friendly themes and simple mechanics, or games like Burger Time (NES) and Root Beer Tapper (ARC) would have been labeled casual, and I never heard anyone refer to them that way.

The way we use it today is strictly the result of marketing and people latching on to a brand because they wish to be "Hardcore," the ones that don't pay enough attention to the industry marketers and game journalism gatekeepers, or simply don't care, are labeled "Casual." Ironically, I think Nintendo gave this the biggest boost when they went out of their way to insist the Wii would serve both audiences, showing silly videos of "cool" kids jumping behind their couch while pretending to play FPS games, insisting that such people were the "core" audience.

Any gamer can potentially enjoy any game. Any gamer that dismisses a game based upon what appears to be family friendly themes within its content, is engaged in judging a book by its cover, and is subject to all the same labels of "narrow-mindedness" usually ascribed to that activity. That said, we're all narrow-minded some of the time (I actually believe we're all narrow-minded most of the time, but people often don't take kindly to that suggestion), and it should come as no surprise that many people are drawn to certain kinds of games based on nearly countless cultural factors.

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[QUOTE="Some-Mist"]since your statement isn't: "No. ALL hardcore gamers...", wouldn't that imply that it's "possible" to be hardcore and enjoycasual games?

I dunno whether I'd be considered hardcore or not, but I spend the majority of my time playing shmups (ketsui, dodonpachi, futari, ikaruga, battle garegga), but I don't limit myself to masochistic games. I enjoy playing games such as Wii sports with friends.

foxhound_fox


If you don't enjoy being slapped around by a game all the time, then you probably aren't hardcore. I enjoy SHMUPs as well, but I am a far, far cry from hardcore. I like playing games, not spending hours upon hours "practicing." Unless its Super Metroid for speed runs, then I'll practice. :3

I disagree, but at least reasoning behind your definition. When I go to a buddies, I tend tohave funplaying games with them that they all can enjoy. However, when I'm on my own I do spend hours upon hours achieving a 1 credit clear.In futari alone, I've probably spentclose to100 hours trying to achieve a maniac 1CC. Maybe I'm not hardcore, but I definitely play games that take a lot of dedication/practice.

[spoiler] currently ranked #153 (even though it's only out of roughly 2000 people) in the world on original score attack with palm abnormal :)
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I would consider someone who plays mario for 50+ hours a week a hardcore gamer. But I wouldn't consider mario a hardcore game. To an extent, I agree with what wikipedia says.

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#42 Randoggy
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its clear that system wars is home to some of the best, most hardcore gamers in gaming. these gamers are obviously very proud of this and will tell you at every opportuntity just how great they are.

is it possible for someone that is so hardcore to enjoy and have fun with a casual game.

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If you're a gamer, yes.
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#43 LordQuorthon
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its clear that system wars is home to some of the best, most hardcore gamers in gaming.

Vinegar_Strokes

So, that is why companies are "abandoning" teh hardcore!

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#44 Some-Mist
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Any gamer can potentially enjoy any game. Any gamer that dismisses a game based upon what appears to be family friendly themes within its content, is engaged in judging a book by its cover, and is subject to all the same labels of "narrow-mindedness" usually ascribed to that activity. That said, we're all narrow-minded some of the time (I actually believe we're all narrow-minded most of the time, but people often don't take kindly to that suggestion), and it should come as no surprise that many people are drawn to certain kinds of games based on nearly countless cultural factors.Seiki_sands
I really like what you have to say and agree with nearly everything you posted. I liked this portion of your post the most.

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[QUOTE="Seiki_sands"]Any gamer can potentially enjoy any game. Any gamer that dismisses a game based upon what appears to be family friendly themes within its content, is engaged in judging a book by its cover, and is subject to all the same labels of "narrow-mindedness" usually ascribed to that activity. That said, we're all narrow-minded some of the time (I actually believe we're all narrow-minded most of the time, but people often don't take kindly to that suggestion), and it should come as no surprise that many people are drawn to certain kinds of games based on nearly countless cultural factors.Some-Mist

I really like what you have to say and agree with nearly everything you posted. I liked this portion of your post the most.

Thank you, but your words have shamed me to confession, you were duped.

That post was in reality a long and defensive post meant to hide my shame and obscure the fact that I was justifying my love for the Nintendo Wii toy, which all "True" gamers rightly ridicule as not being a console at all, as it does not have any "real" games. :)

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#46 Some-Mist
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?? I'm a true gamer and I there's 2 Wii games which would rank in my top 3 favorite games from this generation. Sin & Punishment: Star Successor and Muramasa: The Demon Blade - not to mention other awesome games such as no more heroes: desperate struggle and monster hunter tri.

Wii's not a bad system, it's just those with a narrow-mind (as you put it)whom don't accept that it offers some of the better/best games this generation.

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#47 PAL360
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Obviously! Kinect Sports is fun as hell :)

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#48 Dibdibdobdobo
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Whats the definition of hardcore?!
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#49 bobbetybob
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If you don't play "casual" games you're not what I'd consider a hardcore gamer, that is if I had to classify that annoying term.
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#50 VanDammFan
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Whats the definition of hardcore?! Dibdibdobdobo

I have given my own definition of "hardcore" seveal times..I will one more time for the fun of it..

A hardcore gamer is someone that plays "videogames" be it solitair,COD,Halo,LBP,Pacman,ect..They play games on a daily basis. They know the maps,boards ect inside out. They keep up with current events. They know what games are coming out and when. They live for their hobby. They stand in line for 9hrs to get a game...get a console...They are up on all current affairs with videogaming..

THIS is what "hardcore" means...Thanks for reading have a good day...:)

OH YEA....^^^^THIS....was me for about 20 years...:D