Is it REALLY worth to own a 1080p HDTV?

Only thing I found use of it is watching 1080p movies over HDMI from my laptop.

Gaming is all upscaled...

Dang.

Only if you're a hardcore A/V freak with an 1080p-compatible HD player, a love for movies, and way too much money weighing down your wallet.

It's useless for gaming this generation.

well if you're going to dish out for a really large TV then it's gonna rape your wallet anyways so I think 1080p can be worth it in that sense. But on smaller tvs you are paying a lot for very little difference. though angry 1080p TV owners are going to say othervise

mm I think the whole 1080P is overated.... Why would I pay double the money for 1080P instead of 720P... I have searched for TVs and all of the acceptable 1080P tvs are too expensive.. ByFly

They have gone down in price, but they are still pretty expensive. I'm very happy with my purchase though. It's been well worth it.

well if you're going to dish out for a really large TV then it's gonna rape your wallet anyways so I think 1080p can be worth it in that sense. But on smaller tvs you are paying a lot for very little difference. though angry 1080p TV owners are going to say othervise

NaiKoN9293

Going 1080p on my decent-sized TV (37") would've cost me about double what I paid. But I guess the difference in price is less if you're paying more for name-brand anyway.

Only if you're a hardcore A/V freak with an 1080p-compatible HD player, a love for movies, and way too much money weighing down your wallet.

It's useless for gaming this generation.

OremLK

If you live in the US, yes. In Feb. of 2009, alll TV broadcasts will be in HD. Now, that doesn't mean already recorded shows will all of a sudden be HD quality. But it does mean that the focus will be on HD far more than it is now. And with that growing interest, more and more shows will be broadcast at the highest quality.

If oyu think you can afford it now and might not be able to later, do it. If you think you can live for another year without and still be able to buy it then, do that.

You just don't want to get a lower-end model and pray that its all you need. Might as well get one that will be able to hang for some time.

Its kind of like 360 and PS3. Do you want something that will make you happy this christmas? Or, do you want something you won't regret in a year?

If you live in the US, yes. In Feb. of 2009, alll TV broadcasts will be in HD. Now, that doesn't mean already recorded shows will all of a sudden be HD quality. But it does mean that the focus will be on HD far more than it is now. And with that growing interest, more and more shows will be broadcast at the highest quality.

If oyu think you can afford it now and might not be able to later, do it. If you think you can live for another year without and still be able to buy it then, do that.

The_Crucible

I doubt any tv broadcast will be 1080p in 2008.

If you live in the US, yes. In Feb. of 2009, alll TV broadcasts will be in HD. Now, that doesn't mean already recorded shows will all of a sudden be HD quality. But it does mean that the focus will be on HD far more than it is now. And with that growing interest, more and more shows will be broadcast at the highest quality.

If oyu think you can afford it now and might not be able to later, do it. If you think you can live for another year without and still be able to buy it then, do that.

The_Crucible

Huh? Are yousure about that? I mean right now, there are maybe 70 HD channels with Dish. And it pisses me off to no end that I have to watch football on fox in non-HD broadcast.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

If you live in the US, yes. In Feb. of 2009, alll TV broadcasts will be in HD. Now, that doesn't mean already recorded shows will all of a sudden be HD quality. But it does mean that the focus will be on HD far more than it is now. And with that growing interest, more and more shows will be broadcast at the highest quality.

If oyu think you can afford it now and might not be able to later, do it. If you think you can live for another year without and still be able to buy it then, do that.

Jandurin

I doubt any tv broadcast will be 1080p in 2008.

As far as I know, the max it goes up to is 1080i/720p. I use 720p ofcourse...But when I ordered my Dish they said there is no 1080p yet.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

If you live in the US, yes. In Feb. of 2009, alll TV broadcasts will be in HD. Now, that doesn't mean already recorded shows will all of a sudden be HD quality. But it does mean that the focus will be on HD far more than it is now. And with that growing interest, more and more shows will be broadcast at the highest quality.

If oyu think you can afford it now and might not be able to later, do it. If you think you can live for another year without and still be able to buy it then, do that.

Jandurin

I doubt any tv broadcast will be 1080p in 2008.

My point was that the interest in HD is growing and will be growing like wildfire by Feb 2009. With that growth and interest will come higher quality broadcasts. A TV you buy now should last well beyond Feb. 2009. So, I suggest you get something that will last. Not just buy a 720p only TV and then regretting it in a year and a half.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

If you live in the US, yes. In Feb. of 2009, alll TV broadcasts will be in HD. Now, that doesn't mean already recorded shows will all of a sudden be HD quality. But it does mean that the focus will be on HD far more than it is now. And with that growing interest, more and more shows will be broadcast at the highest quality.

If oyu think you can afford it now and might not be able to later, do it. If you think you can live for another year without and still be able to buy it then, do that.

Chutebox

Huh? Are yousure about that? I mean right now, there are maybe 70 HD channels with Dish. And it pisses me off to no end that I have to watch football on fox in non-HD broadcast.

It's just broadcast channels over the air; I believe cable/satellite companies can do what they want, though I expect that most of them will offer all the broadcast channels in HD as a standard service after this goes into effect.

By the way, I don't think most people would regret buying a 720p HDTV anytime soon. Just because HD will be much more available over the next few years, that doesn't mean it has to be in 1080p. The picture quality is still very good in 720p and it's not like you'll have any compatibility problems receiving the signal.

If you live in the US, yes. In Feb. of 2009, alll TV broadcasts will be in HD. Now, that doesn't mean already recorded shows will all of a sudden be HD quality. But it does mean that the focus will be on HD far more than it is now. And with that growing interest, more and more shows will be broadcast at the highest quality.

If oyu think you can afford it now and might not be able to later, do it. If you think you can live for another year without and still be able to buy it then, do that.

You just don't want to get a lower-end model and pray that its all you need. Might as well get one that will be able to hang for some time.

Its kind of like 360 and PS3. Do you want something that will make you happy this christmas? Or, do you want something you won't regret in a year?

The_Crucible

You didn't here the news?Congress push the bill back from 2009 to 2012. No Analog TV will be sold in 2009, but for standard digital stations was push back until 2012.

[QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

If you live in the US, yes. In Feb. of 2009, alll TV broadcasts will be in HD. Now, that doesn't mean already recorded shows will all of a sudden be HD quality. But it does mean that the focus will be on HD far more than it is now. And with that growing interest, more and more shows will be broadcast at the highest quality.

If oyu think you can afford it now and might not be able to later, do it. If you think you can live for another year without and still be able to buy it then, do that.

Chutebox

Huh? Are yousure about that? I mean right now, there are maybe 70 HD channels with Dish. And it pisses me off to no end that I have to watch football on fox in non-HD broadcast.

Yes, I'm sure. Its government mandated. All TV broadcatsts will be in HD Feb. 2009 and on......

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="The_Crucible"]

If you live in the US, yes. In Feb. of 2009, alll TV broadcasts will be in HD. Now, that doesn't mean already recorded shows will all of a sudden be HD quality. But it does mean that the focus will be on HD far more than it is now. And with that growing interest, more and more shows will be broadcast at the highest quality.

If oyu think you can afford it now and might not be able to later, do it. If you think you can live for another year without and still be able to buy it then, do that.

OremLK

Huh? Are yousure about that? I mean right now, there are maybe 70 HD channels with Dish. And it pisses me off to no end that I have to watch football on fox in non-HD broadcast.

It's just broadcast channels over the air; I believe cable/satellite companies can do what they want, though I expect that most of them will offer all the broadcast channels in HD as a standard service after this goes into effect.

By the way, I don't think most people would regret buying a 720p HDTV anytime soon. Just because HD will be much more available over the next few years, that doesn't mean it has to be in 1080p. The picture quality is still very good in 720p and it's not like you'll have any compatibility problems receiving the signal.

Ah, I see. Thanks.

You didn't here the news?Congress push the bill back from 2009 to 2012. No Analog TV will be sold in 2009, but for standard digital stations was push back until 2012.

King_of_Sorrow

Have a link? You sure it wasn't just radio that was pushed back?

You didn't here the news?Congress push the bill back from 2009 to 2012. No Analog TV will be sold in 2009, but for standard digital stations was push back until 2012.King_of_Sorrow

And, a 720p purchased today would break long before it became outdated.

On February 8th, 2006, President Bush signed into law the "Digital Television Transition and Public Safety Act of 2005", a section of the "Deficit Reduction Act of 2005." This law mandated a hard shut-off date of February 17, 2009 for the end of all analog (NTSC) TV transmissions in the U.S., thus ending this uncertainty. The act also provided for the auctioning off of the frequencies associated with UHF channels 52 to 69, and set aside $990 million for a voucher program enabling low-income households to purchase converter boxes.

Existing analog TV sets would still work with cable or satellite service, or use a converter box with an ATSC tuner that would convert digital over-the-air (OTA) signals to analog; the National Telecommunications and Information Administration is presently conducting a rulemaking for a program that would give certain U.S. households up to two $40 coupons towards the purchase of converter boxes

Wikipedia

A TV is worth the money it's something you will use for years almost everyday you own it. Spend the extra and get 1080p it's cheaper than rebuying another one a few years down the road. EmperorSupreme

But why would you rebuy another one a few years down the road? Is there something wrong with 720p picture quality?

It seems to me that it's just down to how important the small amount of extra detail is to you. It's not like 720p is going to look awful anytime soon, besides, most people will be using them even five years down the road.

As long as it's atleast 1080i, it's all the same.ragrdoll21

1080p>720p>1080i

As long as it's atleast 1080i, it's all the same.ragrdoll21

That's your opinion.

Well I have a 42" 1080p.

And I'm outside US, so not getting any HD broadcasts anytime soon. I doubt that Serious or Hotbird sats will have 1080p...

Other than that, I guess PC gaming on a 42" 1080p is an option, lol

But I can DEFFINETLY see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 42". It's not huge, but noticable.

Thing is that I can still return this 1080p 42" and get a 52" 720p for same money.

Am really confused here.

On one hand, a 1080p is future proof and I won't be rebuying anytime soon. On the other... dunno...

[QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]

You didn't here the news?Congress push the bill back from 2009 to 2012. No Analog TV will be sold in 2009, but for standard digital stations was push back until 2012.

The_Crucible

Have a link? You sure it wasn't just radio that was pushed back?

I saw it on C-span. I still can't find a link on it. I know the reason for it was some station could not afford the jump so soon.

Well I have a 42" 1080p.

And I'm outside US, so not getting any HD broadcasts anytime soon. I doubt that Serious or Hotbird sats will have 1080p...

Other than that, I guess PC gaming on a 42" 1080p is an option, lol

But I can DEFFINETLY see the difference between 720p and 1080p on a 42". It's not huge, but noticable.

Thing is that I can still return this 1080p 42" and get a 52" 720p for same money.

Am really confused here.

On one hand, a 1080p is future proof and I won't be rebuying anytime soon. On the other... dunno...

mynameisdigo

Keep the 1080p man.

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"]As long as it's atleast 1080i, it's all the same.Chutebox

1080p>720p>1080i

I wouldn't agree to that. First hand experience here.

1080p and 1080i isn't THAT huge of a difference -- I'd say even less of a difference than 720p vs 1080p

It's just like playing PC games without vert. sync. That's it. Been doing that for years now to boost performance.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"]As long as it's atleast 1080i, it's all the same.mynameisdigo

1080p>720p>1080i

I wouldn't agree to that. First hand experience here.

1080p and 1080i isn't THAT huge of a difference -- I'd say even less of a difference than 720p vs 1080p

It's just like playing PC games without vert. sync. That's it. Been doing that for years now to boost performance.

I'm speaking from first hand also. I would never use 1080i for anything with motion in it. My bud has a lg 720p, and I can see the difference. You get what you pay for. It's a big enough difference for me that I have no regrets.

[QUOTE="mynameisdigo"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"]As long as it's atleast 1080i, it's all the same.Chutebox

1080p>720p>1080i

I wouldn't agree to that. First hand experience here.

1080p and 1080i isn't THAT huge of a difference -- I'd say even less of a difference than 720p vs 1080p

It's just like playing PC games without vert. sync. That's it. Been doing that for years now to boost performance.

I'm speaking from first hand also. I would never use 1080i for anything with motion in it. My bud has a lg 720p, and I can see the difference. You get what you pay for. It's a big enough difference for me that I have no regrets.

I have HDMI, and my PS3 always convert games that are native 720p to 1080i. I so hate that. Can't wait for most games to go 1080p.

[QUOTE="mynameisdigo"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"]As long as it's atleast 1080i, it's all the same.Chutebox

1080p>720p>1080i

I wouldn't agree to that. First hand experience here.

1080p and 1080i isn't THAT huge of a difference -- I'd say even less of a difference than 720p vs 1080p

It's just like playing PC games without vert. sync. That's it. Been doing that for years now to boost performance.

I'm speaking from first hand also. I would never use 1080i for anything with motion in it. My bud has a lg 720p, and I can see the difference. You get what you pay for. It's a big enough difference for me that I have no regrets.

Guess you're not much of a PC gamer then.

Non the less, each side has it's truth.

Oh and btw, my HDTV doesn't do 1:1 pixel mapping at 1080p. Is that really bad? It's bad for reading small text when the PC is connected, but for media purposes seems fine to me.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="mynameisdigo"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"]As long as it's atleast 1080i, it's all the same.King_of_Sorrow

1080p>720p>1080i

I wouldn't agree to that. First hand experience here.

1080p and 1080i isn't THAT huge of a difference -- I'd say even less of a difference than 720p vs 1080p

It's just like playing PC games without vert. sync. That's it. Been doing that for years now to boost performance.

I'm speaking from first hand also. I would never use 1080i for anything with motion in it. My bud has a lg 720p, and I can see the difference. You get what you pay for. It's a big enough difference for me that I have no regrets.

I have HDMI, and my PS3 always convert games that are native 720p to 1080i. I so hate that. Can't wait for most games to go 1080p.

Can't you unmark 1080i so it doesn't do that?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="mynameisdigo"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"]As long as it's atleast 1080i, it's all the same.mynameisdigo

1080p>720p>1080i

I wouldn't agree to that. First hand experience here.

1080p and 1080i isn't THAT huge of a difference -- I'd say even less of a difference than 720p vs 1080p

It's just like playing PC games without vert. sync. That's it. Been doing that for years now to boost performance.

I'm speaking from first hand also. I would never use 1080i for anything with motion in it. My bud has a lg 720p, and I can see the difference. You get what you pay for. It's a big enough difference for me that I have no regrets.

Guess you're not much of a PC gamer then.

Non the less, each side has it's truth.

Oh and btw, my HDTV doesn't do 1:1 pixel mapping at 1080p. Is that really bad? It's bad for reading small text when the PC is connected, but for media purposes seems fine to me.

Oh no, only pc game I play is FFXI lol. I know, it's pushing the envelope on technology!

As for the pixel mapping, I'm not that technical, I go to avsforum for everything though lol.

As for the pull down, I'm not that technical, I go to avsforum for everything though lol.Chutebox

Can't you unmark 1080i so it doesn't do that?Chutebox

huh? I can?

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Can't you unmark 1080i so it doesn't do that?King_of_Sorrow

huh? I can?

I have my 360 play in 720p, though 1080i is an option... which I happily disallow.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Can't you unmark 1080i so it doesn't do that?King_of_Sorrow

huh? I can?

Pretty sure you can, should be under settings. I would go more detailed but I'm not home.

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]As for the pull down, I'm not that technical, I go to avsforum for everything though lol.Jandurin

haha. I love that scene man. One of my favorite all time.

[QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Can't you unmark 1080i so it doesn't do that?Jandurin

huh? I can?

I have my 360 play in 720p, though 1080i is an option... which I happily disallow.

lmao...I just found it. I never knew. I really need to read the manual.

[QUOTE="Jandurin"][QUOTE="King_of_Sorrow"]

[QUOTE="Chutebox"]Can't you unmark 1080i so it doesn't do that?King_of_Sorrow

huh? I can?

I have my 360 play in 720p, though 1080i is an option... which I happily disallow.

lmao...I just found it. I never knew. I really need to read the manual.

Psh! Manuals are for hippys!

[QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="mynameisdigo"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"]As long as it's atleast 1080i, it's all the same.mynameisdigo

1080p>720p>1080i

I wouldn't agree to that. First hand experience here.

1080p and 1080i isn't THAT huge of a difference -- I'd say even less of a difference than 720p vs 1080p

It's just like playing PC games without vert. sync. That's it. Been doing that for years now to boost performance.

I'm speaking from first hand also. I would never use 1080i for anything with motion in it. My bud has a lg 720p, and I can see the difference. You get what you pay for. It's a big enough difference for me that I have no regrets.

Guess you're not much of a PC gamer then.

Non the less, each side has it's truth.

Oh and btw, my HDTV doesn't do 1:1 pixel mapping at 1080p. Is that really bad? It's bad for reading small text when the PC is connected, but for media purposes seems fine to me.

I'm a big PC gamer (always have been), and I have a monitor that displays 1080p-equivalent (1680x1050), and I still think 720p is plenty of resolution for games, movies, and TV. I can understand wanting more, and it's really down to personal preference, but I don't think people should rag on others for not wanting to spend the extra money or try to get them to do it if they aren't already inclined towards the extra picture quality.

Pixel mapping is essentially the location of the pixel on the map (screen)

So when it's 1:1, the pixel is located exactly where it should be on the screen

In my case, the 1920x1080 resolution is a tiny bit stretched out (as in zoomed in a bit, with inches of video source cut off on each side), and the remaining pixels are stretched out.

It's not really notable until you start reading 1 pixel text. Dunno why it does that though.

Oh, and it happens ONLY through HDMI. With component it runs OK.

[QUOTE="mynameisdigo"][QUOTE="Chutebox"][QUOTE="mynameisdigo"][QUOTE="Chutebox"]

[QUOTE="ragrdoll21"]As long as it's atleast 1080i, it's all the same.OremLK

1080p>720p>1080i

I wouldn't agree to that. First hand experience here.

1080p and 1080i isn't THAT huge of a difference -- I'd say even less of a difference than 720p vs 1080p

It's just like playing PC games without vert. sync. That's it. Been doing that for years now to boost performance.

I'm speaking from first hand also. I would never use 1080i for anything with motion in it. My bud has a lg 720p, and I can see the difference. You get what you pay for. It's a big enough difference for me that I have no regrets.

Guess you're not much of a PC gamer then.

Non the less, each side has it's truth.

Oh and btw, my HDTV doesn't do 1:1 pixel mapping at 1080p. Is that really bad? It's bad for reading small text when the PC is connected, but for media purposes seems fine to me.

I'm a big PC gamer (always have been), and I have a monitor that displays 1080p-equivalent (1680x1050), and I still think 720p is plenty of resolution for games, movies, and TV. I can understand wanting more, and it's really down to personal preference, but I don't think people should rag on others for not wanting to spend the extra money or try to get them to do it if they aren't already inclined towards the extra picture quality.

Yeah, I also have the 1680x1050 monitor for PC gaming. But at 19"... mmeehhh...

It's just that 1080p seems future proof for me right now.

Technology isn't future proof. You buy a 1080p HDTV it's just a matter of time before a newer better format is released. bcrich959

Yeah, 2500xsomething resolution is already applied in PC gaming. But still, 1080p is more future proof than 720p

I find it's better to stay a step or two behind technology. Saves a bucketload of money for an extremely decent experience throughout.

That depends on what you use it for.

You can have a 7.1 surround system but it's not really worth it if you have no audio source to support it. A fullHDTV won't be really worth it if you're just getting SD signals. However, if you have a HTPC hooked up, have a gaming machine to support the full resolution, and is used daily and also enjoyed when guests are in - then definitely, it's definitely worth it.

in all honesty, it will be worth it, but right now... nah.. not for games anyway.

720P is fine, and i think it will be this gen.