Is it time for MS to announce Xbox "720"?

It's already more than five years since the 360 came out and games like Crysis 2 are already pushing the current consoles to the limits.

We are also about to see the new Nintendo console and Epic showcased their new Unreal Engine.

Kinect may be a success but it's not aimed at core gamers.

And Battlefield 3 is confirmed to look and play a lot better on high-end PCs.

It's already more than five years since the 360 came out and games like Crysis 2 are already pushing the current consoles to the limits.

We are also about to see the new Nintendo console and Epic showcased their new Unreal Engine.

Kinect may be a success but it's not aimed at core gamers.

And Battlefield 3 is confirmed to look and play a lot better on high-end PCs.

nameless12345

2015 at least, they will cash in on Kinect for a while, they are obviously copying the wii model.

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It's already more than five years since the 360 came out and games like Crysis 2 are already pushing the current consoles to the limits.

We are also about to see the new Nintendo console and Epic showcased their new Unreal Engine.

Kinect may be a success but it's not aimed at core gamers.

And Battlefield 3 is confirmed to look and play a lot better on high-end PCs.

tenaka2

2015 at least, they will cash in on Kinect for a while, they are obviously copying the wii model.

I think the 360 won't be relevant for core gamers by 2015 anymore. Even the mainstream will get bored of the same-looking and same-playing Call of Duty games imo.

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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

It's already more than five years since the 360 came out and games like Crysis 2 are already pushing the current consoles to the limits.

We are also about to see the new Nintendo console and Epic showcased their new Unreal Engine.

Kinect may be a success but it's not aimed at core gamers.

And Battlefield 3 is confirmed to look and play a lot better on high-end PCs.

nameless12345

2015 at least, they will cash in on Kinect for a while, they are obviously copying the wii model.

I think the 360 won't be relevant for core gamers by 2015 anymore. Even the mainstream will get bored of the same-looking and same-playing Call of Duty games imo.

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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

It's already more than five years since the 360 came out and games like Crysis 2 are already pushing the current consoles to the limits.

We are also about to see the new Nintendo console and Epic showcased their new Unreal Engine.

Kinect may be a success but it's not aimed at core gamers.

And Battlefield 3 is confirmed to look and play a lot better on high-end PCs.

nameless12345

2015 at least, they will cash in on Kinect for a while, they are obviously copying the wii model.

I think the 360 won't be relevant for core gamers by 2015 anymore. Even the mainstream will get bored of the same-looking and same-playing Call of Duty games imo.

I don't think core gamers will be the concern for MS, they are clearly going for the wii market.

Why is 720 always the proposed name. It's just awful and stupid "Oh well, 360+360=720 so it makes sense" Really bro? The next Playstation will be the PS6 by that logic. Anyway, as for the actually topic, I don't care. I don't see why we're singling the 360 out here though. It's not that different from the PS3 and Wii is far behind it. Personally, I don't intend to migrate to any next gen any time soon. I'm fine with my 360. vashkey

I agree it's a stupid name but it's the most wide-spread.

Another thread about this? And this thread was surely made to just bash ms. Who cares anyway.

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

2015 at least, they will cash in on Kinect for a while, they are obviously copying the wii model.

vashkey

I think the 360 won't be relevant for core gamers by 2015 anymore. Even the mainstream will get bored of the same-looking and same-playing Call of Duty games imo.

Yea, you also got your same-looking Gears of War 3, Forza 4, Fable 4 and Halo 4 :P

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

2015 at least, they will cash in on Kinect for a while, they are obviously copying the wii model.

tenaka2

I think the 360 won't be relevant for core gamers by 2015 anymore. Even the mainstream will get bored of the same-looking and same-playing Call of Duty games imo.

I don't think core gamers will be the concern for MS, they are clearly going for the wii market.

Well the mainstream still buys their Halo games and such so a complete shift to the Wii market would imo be a bad decision. They already have Kinect.

Man I'm still calling late 2012 at the earliest, late 2013 at the latest for next gen consoles. More specifically Nintendo in 2012, Sony and MS in 2013.

I don't believe this 2015 nonsense. Even if MS does choose to milk Kinect over the next few years, they will still have to bring something new to the table to remain relevant. They went through a lot to build up all this strength in the market and I highly doubt they are willing to stand by and watch it slip away.

As for Sony, Move is not exactly offering the console longer legs at this point. I believe they will see through the 10 year cycle as they said, but again, just like MS they must stay relevant. I'm sure Sony wants to be back on top, and holding off a few more years is not the way.

If for some whack ass reason Sony and MS do choose to launch that late then Nintendo will re-absorb all the 3rd party support they lost so many years ago and continue maintain market leadership.

They could announce it at E3 2012 and launch in December 2012 (repeat of 2005). If Microsoft start work on it now they could launch a new system before 2013.

I mean if they do launch in 2013 a whole system generation would have lasted 8 years! 8 years! that's CRAZY!

I don't think so , there's still a lot that devs can do with the hardware. Xbox and ps3 should both stick with current hardware till atleast 2014/2015. ultraking

2014/2015 for the next-gen Xbox and PS4 sounds ridiculous. And the hardware is pretty much maxed. Read what CryTek said about Crysis 2.

[QUOTE="ultraking"]I don't think so , there's still a lot that devs can do with the hardware. Xbox and ps3 should both stick with current hardware till atleast 2014/2015. nameless12345

2014/2015 for the next-gen Xbox and PS4 sounds ridiculous. And the hardware is pretty much maxed. Read what CryTek said about Crysis 2.

[QUOTE="ultraking"]I don't think so , there's still a lot that devs can do with the hardware. Xbox and ps3 should both stick with current hardware till atleast 2014/2015. nameless12345

2014/2015 for the next-gen Xbox and PS4 sounds ridiculous. And the hardware is pretty much maxed. Read what CryTek said about Crysis 2.

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[QUOTE="ultraking"]I don't think so , there's still a lot that devs can do with the hardware. Xbox and ps3 should both stick with current hardware till atleast 2014/2015. CwlHeddwyn

2014/2015 for the next-gen Xbox and PS4 sounds ridiculous. And the hardware is pretty much maxed. Read what CryTek said about Crysis 2.

My point exactly. Crysis 2, Rage and Skyrim are pretty much the best current consoles will see. Perhaps only some PS3 exclusives may still look better due to the CPU advantage.

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I think the 360 won't be relevant for core gamers by 2015 anymore. Even the mainstream will get bored of the same-looking and same-playing Call of Duty games imo.

nameless12345

I don't think core gamers will be the concern for MS, they are clearly going for the wii market.

Well the mainstream still buys their Halo games and such so a complete shift to the Wii market would imo be a bad decision. They already have Kinect.

Halo Kinect?

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[QUOTE="tenaka2"]

I don't think core gamers will be the concern for MS, they are clearly going for the wii market.

tenaka2

Well the mainstream still buys their Halo games and such so a complete shift to the Wii market would imo be a bad decision. They already have Kinect.

Halo Kinect?

I'd rather see Gears of War Kinect :P

I do not want a new console for the next 3 years.

I think the new one should be out in jan 2014 ...coz the current consoles are awesome.

And plus PS3's engine is powerfull its just the game developers ain't making the games so its engine can endure super graphics and fps.

I don't think so , there's still a lot that devs can do with the hardware. Xbox and ps3 should both stick with current hardware till atleast 2014/2015. ultraking

1: Physics 2: Destruction 3: Artifical Intellegence 4: Number of characters/enemies/players on screen at once 5: Size of video games 6: Load times 7: Animation 8: Audio Fidelity

If devs want more and/or better, then new consoles here we go.

I do not want a new console for the next 3 years.

I think the new one should be out in jan 2014 ...coz the current consoles are awesome.

And plus PS3's engine is powerfull its just the game developers ain't making the games so its engine can endure super graphics and fps.

gam3r333

The current consoles are way behind modern PC hardware. I don't see why this gen is so special that it would have to be on the market more than six years without a successor. The PS3 was also pretty much milked with Uncharted 2. UC3 doesn't look much better.

I'ts due time all manufacturers release something new. Ninty might get a head start, just like microsoft did. Maybe a 1 year difference between Nintendo(2012) & both MS & SONY(2013).

[QUOTE="ultraking"]I don't think so , there's still a lot that devs can do with the hardware. Xbox and ps3 should both stick with current hardware till atleast 2014/2015. mitu123

1: Physics 2: Destruction 3: Artifical Intellegence 4: Number of characters/enemies/players on screen at once 5: Size of video games 6: Load times 7: Animation 8: Audio Fidelity

If devs want more and/or better, then new consoles here we go.

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[QUOTE="ultraking"]I don't think so , there's still a lot that devs can do with the hardware. Xbox and ps3 should both stick with current hardware till atleast 2014/2015. ultraking

1: Physics 2: Destruction 3: Artifical Intellegence 4: Number of characters/enemies/players on screen at once 5: Size of video games 6: Load times 7: Animation 8: Audio Fidelity

If devs want more and/or better, then new consoles here we go.

He has a point though. In order to bring games to a new level, consoles need better hardware. Certain genres require better hardware in order to improve. It's not just a matter of graphics.

You know what i wont get a new Xbox system untill i know for sure they are safe and dont brake. PS4 if its priced right and around $400 at launch ill get one righ away but if they try and pull the $600 dollar price tag on me again this time im waiting. I will build a new gaming rig next year for sure, my laptop is pretty beastly but i want a tower too.

[QUOTE="ultraking"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Oh yes, make games cut even more corners and struggle on over 6 year old hardware. I don't see how much more they can do, they certainly aren't made of magic so they won't produce great looking games forever, or else we would be stuck. We normally see a new console 5 years in, this gen is different. If they could do higher res, aa, af and more I would be impressed. You also have to take into the account of the following:

1: Physics 2: Destruction 3: Artifical Intellegence 4: Number of characters/enemies/players on screen at once 5: Size of video games 6: Load times 7: Animation 8: Audio Fidelity

If devs want more and/or better, then new consoles here we go.

nameless12345

He has a point though. In order to bring games to a new level, consoles need better hardware. Certain genres require better hardware in order to improve. It's not just a matter of graphics.

current hardware is Maxed. the devs have learned virtually every trick in the book to squeeze out the best looking visuals. they know how to cut corners, they know how to hide/mask the technical limitations of the consoles.

Not before fall 2012. Gears 3, Forza 4, Rage, Skyrim, etc are the proof that 360 still can put the best looking games out.

Not before fall 2012. Gears 3, Forza 4, Rage, Skyrim, etc are the proof that 360 still can put the best looking games out.

PAL360

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Not before fall 2012. Gears 3, Forza 4, Rage, Skyrim, etc are the proof that 360 still can put the best looking games out.

CwlHeddwyn

Yes, they have been maxed for a long time but devs allways find new tricks. I also think Crysis 2 is the best looking console game so far but Gears 3 seem to look just as good but alot more polished.

Why when these coversations come up do people always point to MS supporting the Kinect as a roadblock for their next console? What, do you not think they wont develope their new system with Kinect connectivity in mind. Just because the Kinect is on 360 doesnt mean that it wont be on the new console as well.

As far as the TC's question, Id say we wont hear much of anyting on the next XBOX until this time next year. Id expect a console release in 2013. The 360 can survive another 2 years on a handful of exclusives and multiplats. OF course this is MS we are talking about, so anyhting could happen.

launching in 2013 could be a problem for MS if Nintendo launch in 2012. Microsoft have to worry about Nintendo as much as they do about Sony.

launching in 2013 could be a problem for MS if Nintendo launch in 2012. Microsoft have to worry about Nintendo as much as they do about Sony.

CwlHeddwyn

Trouble is Microsoft went to dethrone Sony and they did but focusing on Sony they let Nintendo run away with the sales

Crysis 2 is pushing the console to it's limits? Didn't they say that when Gears of War came out? Developers say that so they can HYPE Their games and nothing more. As long as the 360 is selling then I don't see why MS should annouce a new console, and I'm really in no hurry for them to do so.

2015 at the earliest.

I expect it to be named Kinect Freaking Central! Can't wait for that KFC.

Man I'm still calling late 2012 at the earliest, late 2013 at the latest for next gen consoles. More specifically Nintendo in 2012, Sony and MS in 2013.

I don't believe this 2015 nonsense. Even if MS does choose to milk Kinect over the next few years, they will still have to bring something new to the table to remain relevant. They went through a lot to build up all this strength in the market and I highly doubt they are willing to stand by and watch it slip away.

As for Sony, Move is not exactly offering the console longer legs at this point. I believe they will see through the 10 year cycle as they said, but again, just like MS they must stay relevant. I'm sure Sony wants to be back on top, and holding off a few more years is not the way.

If for some whack ass reason Sony and MS do choose to launch that late then Nintendo will re-absorb all the 3rd party support they lost so many years ago and continue maintain market leadership.

sandbox3d

No, it's getting close for MS to announce... XBOX NOX !!!

Leaving all the others competitors in thier dust and laughing all the way. 8)

Yes absolutely. If you look at the average console generation span since the beginning of gaming, five years is the norm. I dont see why that would all of a sudden change. If you really think they are going to wait til 2015 you are foolish, especially considering Nintendo has practically anounced their next system.

Why? I'd rather developers start focusing on gameplay rather than taking advantage of new graphics technology.foxhound_fox

They could announce it at E3 2012 and launch in December 2012 (repeat of 2005). If Microsoft start work on it now they could launch a new system before 2013.

I mean if they do launch in 2013 a whole system generation would have lasted 8 years! 8 years! that's CRAZY!

CwlHeddwyn

They could announce it at E3 2012 and launch in December 2012 (repeat of 2005). If Microsoft start work on it now they could launch a new system before 2013.

I mean if they do launch in 2013 a whole system generation would have lasted 8 years! 8 years! that's CRAZY!

no. just no

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I do not want a new console for the next 3 years.

I think the new one should be out in jan 2014 ...coz the current consoles are awesome.

And plus PS3's engine is powerfull its just the game developers ain't making the games so its engine can endure super graphics and fps.

nameless12345

The current consoles are way behind modern PC hardware. I don't see why this gen is so special that it would have to be on the market more than six years without a successor. The PS3 was also pretty much milked with Uncharted 2. UC3 doesn't look much better.

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you can see the graphics of console games have come to a standstill, the only way they can make their games look better is by making it more and more linear and the gfx are probably not going any further without doing that. I would rather trust developers rather than sony and MS who want to milk this generation for what it worth.

I really believe the PS3, and Xbox 360 could last for couple more years.. with the launch of Kinect, and Move I think Microsoft, and Sony aimed to lengthen the lifespan of it's consoles, but will be forced to do so much quicker if Nintendo announces a true successor to the Wii. E3 2011 will probably be one of the more surprising E3's in a few years... especially if Nintendo announces the successor, and Microsoft and Sony stand dumbfounded on stage.

Most likely, the are probably already working on it. lol