Is Microsoft losing developer support?

I mean, first, there was Bethesda and Team Ninja but now it seems that a lot of games that were exlcusives to the 360 too are going the way of the PS3. The JRPGs like Eternal Sonata and Star Ocean are falling like flies. Of course, it's natural to think the Japanese developers would be the first to jump off a sinking ship..

But now this: http://www.psu.com/EA-dates-Dragon-Age--Origins-for-PS3-News--a008306-p0.php

Sure, Lems got DMC4 and Ace Combat, but more and more it seems to be the exception to the rule that the 360 is somehow the second coming of Microsoft. When MS got exclusive DLC for GTAIV, Sony responds with an exclusive franchise from R*.

It looks like the 360 had a real strong run there, but with MS selling off their first party like Bungie or simply closing the doors. It makes you wonder if there will be anything left by the time the 720 comes around. Even if MS break 40M consoles sold this gen, whose to say how much of that was due to hardware failure? The sales are real strong for games like shooters, but one day people are going to wake up and realize they can skip an MS console altogether and buy a graphics card and the new controller then call it a day. Are the publishers wising up to it, too?

No. The PS3 is just gaining it.

The Xbox has too much marketshare to ignore.

almost every muliplat sells more on the 360 why would devs cut support on a console that makes them so much money?

I mean, first, there was Bethesda and Team Ninja but now it seems that a lot of games that were exlcusives to the 360 too are going the way of the PS3. The JRPGs like Eternal Sonata and Star Ocean are falling like flies. Of course, it's natural to think the Japanese developers would be the first to jump off a sinking ship..

But now this: http://www.psu.com/EA-dates-Dragon-Age--Origins-for-PS3-News--a008306-p0.php

Sure, Lems got DMC4 and Ace Combat, but more and more it seems to be the exception to the rule that the 360 is somehow the second coming of Microsoft. When MS got exclusive DLC for GTAIV, Sony responds with an exclusive franchise from R*.

It looks like the 360 had a real strong run there, but with MS selling off their first party like Bungie or simply closing the doors. It makes you wonder if there will be anything left by the time the 720 comes around. Even if MS break 40M consoles sold this gen, whose to say how much of that was due to hardware failure? The sales are real strong for games like shooters, but one day people are going to wake up and realize they can skip an MS console altogether and buy a graphics card and the new controller then call it a day. Are the publishers wising up to it, too?

Shewgenja

TC, you are confusing Losing support with Losing Exclusives. That's not the same thing.

M$ is not really gaining exclusives (in fact they are losing exclusives), but the actual DEVELOPER SUPPORT is perfectly fine.

M$ sees no need, most 360 gamers don't care about exclusives at all. The 3rd Party support between the consoles is about equal, it's just Sony has more a larger 1st party is all.

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hardware failure?3 year warranty,

SergeAndKid2

TC, you are confusing Losing support with losing Exclusives.

M$ is not really gaining exclusives (in fact they are losing them), but the actual SUPPORT is fine.

M$ sees no need, most 360 gameres don't care about exclusives at all. The 3rd Party support between the consoles is about equal, it's just Sony has more a larger 1st party is all.

SolidTy

Yes TC.With the dismal software sales on the 360 devs are turning to the PS3 to make money.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

TC, you are confusing Losing support with losing Exclusives.

M$ is not really gaining exclusives (in fact they are losing them), but the actual SUPPORT is fine.

M$ sees no need, most 360 gameres don't care about exclusives at all. The 3rd Party support between the consoles is about equal, it's just Sony has more a larger 1st party is all.

G-O-M-J

A lot? No it doesn't.

What amazing PC games are only on PC/360 BESIDES these great notables :

Mass Effect Series and the L4Dead Series?

Is there any huge franchise's that I'm forgetting? Both consoles get their fare share of neat 3rd Party games, PS3 got MGS4, Valkeria Chronicles, Disgaea 3 for instance. I think it all balances out, as those games on both systems are the exception's not the rules.

no, just look at the 360s future lineup, its incredible.G-O-M-J

We must have different lineups cause the one im looking at is lackluster.

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

TC, you are confusing Losing support with losing Exclusives.

M$ is not really gaining exclusives (in fact they are losing them), but the actual SUPPORT is fine.

M$ sees no need, most 360 gameres don't care about exclusives at all. The 3rd Party support between the consoles is about equal, it's just Sony has more a larger 1st party is all.

SolidTy

A lot? No it doesn't.

What amazing PC games are only on PC/360 BESIDES these great notables :

Mass Effect Series and the L4Dead Series?

Is there any huge franchise that I'm forgetting?

No one said quality, or huge franchises

He simple said it gets more PC/360 MultiPlats, which it does

Short answer: No.

Long answer: Going multiplatform is essential to the survival of game devs these days. You cannot ignore a console whose userbase is 35M or so when the PS3's is around 25-30. Going multiplat means you have 60M potential customers, which is a lot better than putting all your hope in one console's user base liking your game.

That is why the big exclusives these days tend to be 1st-party or 2nd-party titles. 3rd-party devs making an exclusive for either PS3 or 360 have to really be sure that their game is going to be a huge hit.

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]no, just look at the 360s future lineup, its incredible.Stats_

We must have different lineups cause the one im looking at is lackluster.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]i wouldnt say ps3 and 360 3rd party support is the same, the xbox gets alot of pc games afterall.

Stats_

A lot? No it doesn't.

What amazing PC games are only on PC/360 BESIDES these great notables :

Mass Effect Series and the L4Dead Series?

Is there any huge franchise's that I'm forgetting? Both consoles get their fare share of neat 3rd Party games, PS3 got MGS4, Valkeria Chronicles, Disgaea 3 for instance. I think it all balances out, as those games on both systems are the exception's not the rules.

No one said quality, or huge franchises

He simple said it gets more PC/360 MultiPlats, which it does

I did. I said it.My words are just as good as his words.:|

The PS3 gets 3rd Party exclusives as well, it all evens out, as most games are on both platforms. I still think support for both consoles is about the same. Obviously nothing is 100% equal in this planet, but it's about the same.

He's just under the impression that there is "alot" when that's not the case at all, in terms of what comparing it to PS3, and PC.

A lot is relative, and as a Multiconsole owner, I don't see "A lot" or PC ports, I do see some from time to time, but it's not "a lot". The PC ports I'm thinking of are not of good quality either. I think if one were to look at both consoles upcoming and present support, they will find them pretty dang equal, in terms of 3rd party games.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]no, just look at the 360s future lineup, its incredible.SergeAndKid2

We must have different lineups cause the one im looking at is lackluster.

[QUOTE="Stats_"]

[QUOTE="G-O-M-J"]no, just look at the 360s future lineup, its incredible.SergeAndKid2

We must have different lineups cause the one im looking at is lackluster.

Lets agree to disagree.

ME2 is the only game im REALLY interested in. I may pick up Battlefield and Dragon Age, but im not too fussed.

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I mean, first, there was Bethesda and Team Ninja but now it seems that a lot of games that were exlcusives to the 360 too are going the way of the PS3. The JRPGs like Eternal Sonata and Star Ocean are falling like flies. Of course, it's natural to think the Japanese developers would be the first to jump off a sinking ship..

But now this: http://www.psu.com/EA-dates-Dragon-Age--Origins-for-PS3-News--a008306-p0.php

Sure, Lems got DMC4 and Ace Combat, but more and more it seems to be the exception to the rule that the 360 is somehow the second coming of Microsoft. When MS got exclusive DLC for GTAIV, Sony responds with an exclusive franchise from R*.

It looks like the 360 had a real strong run there, but with MS selling off their first party like Bungie or simply closing the doors. It makes you wonder if there will be anything left by the time the 720 comes around. Even if MS break 40M consoles sold this gen, whose to say how much of that was due to hardware failure? The sales are real strong for games like shooters, but one day people are going to wake up and realize they can skip an MS console altogether and buy a graphics card and the new controller then call it a day. Are the publishers wising up to it, too?

SergeAndKid2

Why do lems act like 3 year warranties are a good thing? Since when has hardware failure become a standard that extensive warranties are needed to replace them? It's like lems think that it's completely normal to replace a broken console :lol:

[QUOTE="SergeAndKid2"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I mean, first, there was Bethesda and Team Ninja but now it seems that a lot of games that were exlcusives to the 360 too are going the way of the PS3. The JRPGs like Eternal Sonata and Star Ocean are falling like flies. Of course, it's natural to think the Japanese developers would be the first to jump off a sinking ship..

But now this: http://www.psu.com/EA-dates-Dragon-Age--Origins-for-PS3-News--a008306-p0.php

Sure, Lems got DMC4 and Ace Combat, but more and more it seems to be the exception to the rule that the 360 is somehow the second coming of Microsoft. When MS got exclusive DLC for GTAIV, Sony responds with an exclusive franchise from R*.

It looks like the 360 had a real strong run there, but with MS selling off their first party like Bungie or simply closing the doors. It makes you wonder if there will be anything left by the time the 720 comes around. Even if MS break 40M consoles sold this gen, whose to say how much of that was due to hardware failure? The sales are real strong for games like shooters, but one day people are going to wake up and realize they can skip an MS console altogether and buy a graphics card and the new controller then call it a day. Are the publishers wising up to it, too?

Aku101

Why do lems act like 3 year warranties are a good thing? Since when has hardware failure become a standard that extensive warranties are needed to replace them? It's like lems think that it's completely normal to replace a broken console :lol:

I had a PS2, to me replacing a console is second nature, as is paying for a replacement.

MS giving a 3 year warrenty on the most common failures is great imo

[QUOTE="SergeAndKid2"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I mean, first, there was Bethesda and Team Ninja but now it seems that a lot of games that were exlcusives to the 360 too are going the way of the PS3. The JRPGs like Eternal Sonata and Star Ocean are falling like flies. Of course, it's natural to think the Japanese developers would be the first to jump off a sinking ship..

But now this: http://www.psu.com/EA-dates-Dragon-Age--Origins-for-PS3-News--a008306-p0.php

Sure, Lems got DMC4 and Ace Combat, but more and more it seems to be the exception to the rule that the 360 is somehow the second coming of Microsoft. When MS got exclusive DLC for GTAIV, Sony responds with an exclusive franchise from R*.

It looks like the 360 had a real strong run there, but with MS selling off their first party like Bungie or simply closing the doors. It makes you wonder if there will be anything left by the time the 720 comes around. Even if MS break 40M consoles sold this gen, whose to say how much of that was due to hardware failure? The sales are real strong for games like shooters, but one day people are going to wake up and realize they can skip an MS console altogether and buy a graphics card and the new controller then call it a day. Are the publishers wising up to it, too?

Aku101

Why do lems act like 3 year warranties are a good thing? Since when has hardware failure become a standard that extensive warranties are needed to replace them? It's like lems think that it's completely normal to replace a broken console :lol:

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

[QUOTE="SergeAndKid2"] 3 year warranty,

SergeAndKid2

Why do lems act like 3 year warranties are a good thing? Since when has hardware failure become a standard that extensive warranties are needed to replace them? It's like lems think that it's completely normal to replace a broken console :lol:

It's not a surprise considering the 360 has the hardware standards of last-gen systems. :lol:.

no, just look at the 360s future lineup, its incredible.G-O-M-J

We must have different lineups cause the one im looking at is lackluster.

I mean, first, there was Bethesda and Team Ninja but now it seems that a lot of games that were exlcusives to the 360 too are going the way of the PS3. The JRPGs like Eternal Sonata and Star Ocean are falling like flies. Of course, it's natural to think the Japanese developers would be the first to jump off a sinking ship..

But now this: http://www.psu.com/EA-dates-Dragon-Age--Origins-for-PS3-News--a008306-p0.php

Sure, Lems got DMC4 and Ace Combat, but more and more it seems to be the exception to the rule that the 360 is somehow the second coming of Microsoft. When MS got exclusive DLC for GTAIV, Sony responds with an exclusive franchise from R*.

It looks like the 360 had a real strong run there, but with MS selling off their first party like Bungie or simply closing the doors. It makes you wonder if there will be anything left by the time the 720 comes around. Even if MS break 40M consoles sold this gen, whose to say how much of that was due to hardware failure? The sales are real strong for games like shooters, but one day people are going to wake up and realize they can skip an MS console altogether and buy a graphics card and the new controller then call it a day. Are the publishers wising up to it, too?

[QUOTE="SergeAndKid2"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Why do lems act like 3 year warranties are a good thing? Since when has hardware failure become a standard that extensive warranties are needed to replace them? It's like lems think that it's completely normal to replace a broken console :lol:

Aku101

It's not a surprise considering the 360 has the hardware standards of last-gen systems. :lol:.

[QUOTE="SergeAndKid2"]

[QUOTE="Shewgenja"]

I mean, first, there was Bethesda and Team Ninja but now it seems that a lot of games that were exlcusives to the 360 too are going the way of the PS3. The JRPGs like Eternal Sonata and Star Ocean are falling like flies. Of course, it's natural to think the Japanese developers would be the first to jump off a sinking ship..

But now this: http://www.psu.com/EA-dates-Dragon-Age--Origins-for-PS3-News--a008306-p0.php

Sure, Lems got DMC4 and Ace Combat, but more and more it seems to be the exception to the rule that the 360 is somehow the second coming of Microsoft. When MS got exclusive DLC for GTAIV, Sony responds with an exclusive franchise from R*.

It looks like the 360 had a real strong run there, but with MS selling off their first party like Bungie or simply closing the doors. It makes you wonder if there will be anything left by the time the 720 comes around. Even if MS break 40M consoles sold this gen, whose to say how much of that was due to hardware failure? The sales are real strong for games like shooters, but one day people are going to wake up and realize they can skip an MS console altogether and buy a graphics card and the new controller then call it a day. Are the publishers wising up to it, too?

Why do lems act like 3 year warranties are a good thing? Since when has hardware failure become a standard that extensive warranties are needed to replace them? It's like lems think that it's completely normal to replace a broken console :lol:

They are just going multiplatform, also don't forget that games now have higher production costs than they had on the previous generations due to the HD thing.

Why do you think that sony still has the ps2 around? Well because there are studios that don't have enough $$$ to make a HD game or even to buy a ps3 devkit and thats also why M$ took out the mandatory requirement that all game must had to be HD to cater them plus it's devkit is cheaper.

Bethesda were Xbox only? o.O

If your talking about oblivion it was launched not long after the Xbox launched.

MS is getting Tekken ( a franchise that has always been on only PS) so it works both ways

[QUOTE="SergeAndKid2"]

[QUOTE="Aku101"]

Why do lems act like 3 year warranties are a good thing? Since when has hardware failure become a standard that extensive warranties are needed to replace them? It's like lems think that it's completely normal to replace a broken console :lol:

Aku101

It's not a surprise considering the 360 has the hardware standards of last-gen systems. :lol:.

no surprise that your a ps3 fanboy...its quite obvious

Bethesda were Xbox only? o.O

If your talking about oblivion it was launched not long after the Xbox launched.

toxicmog

Morrowind was only on the XBox1 (and PC, of ccourse). So, you could say that PS3 won back bethesda

[QUOTE="SergeAndKid2"][QUOTE="Stats_"]

We must have different lineups cause the one im looking at is lackluster.

mayceV

Im hardly what you'd call a Cow.

Other than Microsoft or Sony controlled Studios pretty much all of the rest of the developers will be putting out multi-platform games. It's crazy not to support both systems. Anybody with half a brain wants to make as much money as possible after developing a game. It just so happens that Sony has more studios under it's control, since it's been in the business longer, so of course you are now seeing a few more exclusives on the PS3 side compared to the 360 this year.

Of course in the real world outside of SWs even stuff that is released on the PC is still benefiting Microsoft, since they still make a profit as long as it is released on Windows. If you factor in the PC/360 developers that are not releasing games on the PS3 then Microsoft is doing just fine.