Is Microsoft really *that* bad at making hardware???

So we all know the 360 has had terrible hardware, we got it. No one can deny it. It easily has a higher failure rate than the Wii and PS3... but everyone says MS makes terrible hardware period. To be honest, the 360 is the only MS hardware I've ever owned, so I cant really judge it for myself.

So was the original Xbox pretty faulty? Are Zunes faulty? Is Microsoft really that bad when it comes to being a hardware maker??? Or is it just System Wars nonsense?

The original Launch Xbox's were really bad, for years.

They would eget this message, which I have INGRAINED because I had TWO of them go bad.

"This Disk is DIRTY OR DAMAGED, Please insert an Xbox Disk".

It was terrible. I had over 30 games that just wouldn't work anymore. A year later, same problem again.

However, I finally ended up with TWO HALO Xbox's, and those still work to this day.

My buddy had to replace his ZUNE, only once, but it had a HDD, but those aren't as stable as the New NONHDD Zunes.

I think M$ gets a bad rap because of Window's, especially Window's Explorer.

I think only 360 was faulty, i don't think that Zunes or Xbox's had any major hardware problems.TheKonspiracy

Now, they went bad. It wasn't as publicized, because it wasn't a popular console. I owned TWO of them, and if you know me,you'd know I do EXTRA SPECIAL CARE for all my consoles. I even used a DUST COVER when they weren't in use.

The Xbox was built like a tank man and from my knowledge, MS PC peripherals were well made and reviewed well. I think the RRoD was a blunder but not indicative of their past or future record on making hardware.SecretPolice

NO, the XBOX looked like a Tank, it was shoddy from my experience with TWo of them...and I owned all the consoles, so it's not LIKE I was playing it night and day.

[QUOTE="TheKonspiracy"]I think only 360 was faulty, i don't think that Zunes or Xbox's had any major hardware problems.SolidTy

Now, they went bad. It wasn't aspublicized, because it wasn't a popular console. I owned TWO of them, and if you know me,you'd know I do EXTRA SPECIAL CARE for all my consoles. I even used a DUST COVER when they weren't in use.

The Xbox was built like a tank manand from my knowledge, MS PC peripherals were well made and reviewed well. I think the RRoD was a blunder but not indicative of their past or future record on making hardware.SecretPolice

NO, the XBOX looked like a Tank, it was shoddy from my experience with TWo of them...and I owned all the consoles, so it's not LIKE I was playing it night and day.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="TheKonspiracy"]I think only 360 was faulty, i don't think that Zunes or Xbox's had any major hardware problems.SecretPolice

Now, they went bad. It wasn't aspublicized, because it wasn't a popular console. I owned TWO of them, and if you know me,you'd know I do EXTRA SPECIAL CARE for all my consoles. I even used a DUST COVER when they weren't in use.

The Xbox was built like a tank manand from my knowledge, MS PC peripherals were well made and reviewed well. I think the RRoD was a blunder but not indicative of their past or future record on making hardware.SecretPolice

NO, the XBOX looked like a Tank, it was shoddy from my experience with TWo of them...and I owned all the consoles, so it's not LIKE I was playing it night and day.

Hmmm...I do have air purifiers and I don't smoke (Nasty Habit, a form of population control if you ask me.).

You are right though, It's better than RROD, as I'm sure if I didn't have store bought warranties, I could have fixed either one of those.

[QUOTE="SecretPolice"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="TheKonspiracy"]I think only 360 was faulty, i don't think that Zunes or Xbox's had any major hardware problems.SolidTy

Now, they went bad. It wasn't aspublicized, because it wasn't a popular console. I owned TWO of them, and if you know me,you'd know I do EXTRA SPECIAL CARE for all my consoles. I even used a DUST COVER when they weren't in use.

The Xbox was built like a tank manand from my knowledge, MS PC peripherals were well made and reviewed well. I think the RRoD was a blunder but not indicative of their past or future record on making hardware.SecretPolice

NO, the XBOX looked like a Tank, it was shoddy from my experience with TWo of them...and I owned all the consoles, so it's not LIKE I was playing it night and day.

Hmmm...I do have air purifiers and I don't smoke (Nasty Habit, a form of population control if you ask me.).

You are right though, It's better than RROD, as I'm sure if I didn't have store bought warranties, I could have fixed either one of those.

I had the same problem as you did with the preowned ones I got, and I tried what Secret Police said with the Q-tip (taking apart an Xbox I'd just bought was quite a worrying feeling =S) and it did nothing. Some of the disk drives did just wear away after a while, so that you would get it play bits of games but then slowly stop playing the game as you got past a few load screens. Ninja Gaiden was the worse, it barely ever got to the title screen. My second one was terrible though, that didn't even get past the start of a game before coming up with the "Disk is dirt or damaged message" I think that laser was just completed ****ed.

I got the RROD twice :( Al3x_n90

Well, if M$ saw you post here, then maybe they would have given you a better deal.

Don't feel to bad, I got it twice as well. Strangely, my Original Arcade works though, lol.

[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]I got the RROD twice :( SolidTy

Well, if M$ saw you post here, then maybe they would have given you a better deal.

Don't feel to bad, I got it twice as well. Strangely, my Original Arcade works though, lol.

:P i'm thinking of buying one of these new arcades, does it have a jasper chip? what happend to that chip anyways? :|

The 360 is faulty because Microsoft rushed it to get a year early lead.

But their other products for the most part have been very solid without any major problems.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]I got the RROD twice :( Al3x_n90

Well, if M$ saw you post here, then maybe they would have given you a better deal.

Don't feel to bad, I got it twice as well. Strangely, my Original Arcade works though, lol.

:P i'm thinking of buying one of these new arcades, does it have a jasper chip? what happend to that chip anyways? :|

I don't know....

*Sings Jingle*

Jasper, the friendly Chip

The Friendliest Chip you know

Though fanboys might

look at them with fright

the gamers all love them so...

[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

[QUOTE="Al3x_n90"]I got the RROD twice :( SolidTy

Well, if M$ saw you post here, then maybe they would have given you a better deal.

Don't feel to bad, I got it twice as well. Strangely, my Original Arcade works though, lol.

:P i'm thinking of buying one of these new arcades, does it have a jasper chip? what happend to that chip anyways? :|

I don't know....

*Sings Jingle*

Jasper, the friendly Chip

The Friendliest Chip you know...

Damn those hopes of no RROD :( DAMN YOUR RROD!! you made so unhappy...

Really now i should get another one, cuz i have 200$ to spare plus i'm afraid my normal 360 will RROD on me again, cuz it's been freezing lately:?

So we all know the 360 has had terrible hardware, we got it. No one can deny it. It easily has a higher failure rate than the Wii and PS3... but everyone says MS makes terrible hardware period. To be honest, the 360 is the only MS hardware I've ever owned, so I cant really judge it for myself.

So was the original Xbox pretty faulty? Are Zunes faulty? Is Microsoft really that bad when it comes to being a hardware maker??? Or is it just System Wars nonsense?

carljohnson3456

Zunes: No

Original Xbox: No

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

I don't know....

*Sings Jingle*

Jasper, the friendly Chip

The Friendliest Chip you know

Though fanboys might

look at them with fright

the gamers all love them so...

Al3x_n90

Damn those hopes of no RROD :( DAMN YOUR RROD!! you made so unhappy...

Really now i should get another one, cuz i have 200$ to spare plus i'm afraid my normal 360 will RROD on me again, cuz it's been freezing lately:?

I think they will be easily bought after Xmas, Even though some may be out there, in retail, you sell the old stuff FIRST. So, just wait...till after Xmas, and you should be fine.

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

So we all know the 360 has had terrible hardware, we got it. No one can deny it. It easily has a higher failure rate than the Wii and PS3... but everyone says MS makes terrible hardware period. To be honest, the 360 is the only MS hardware I've ever owned, so I cant really judge it for myself.

So was the original Xbox pretty faulty? Are Zunes faulty? Is Microsoft really that bad when it comes to being a hardware maker??? Or is it just System Wars nonsense?

Englandfc1966

Zunes: No

Original Xbox: No

Original Xbox : Yes.

May not have hit RROD levels, but it was there.

[QUOTE="Englandfc1966"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

So we all know the 360 has had terrible hardware, we got it. No one can deny it. It easily has a higher failure rate than the Wii and PS3... but everyone says MS makes terrible hardware period. To be honest, the 360 is the only MS hardware I've ever owned, so I cant really judge it for myself.

So was the original Xbox pretty faulty? Are Zunes faulty? Is Microsoft really that bad when it comes to being a hardware maker??? Or is it just System Wars nonsense?

SolidTy

Zunes: No

Original Xbox: No

Original Xbox : Yes.

May not have hit RROD levels, but it was there.

Idk I never had any problems with mine. :S

[QUOTE="SolidTy"][QUOTE="Englandfc1966"][QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

So we all know the 360 has had terrible hardware, we got it. No one can deny it. It easily has a higher failure rate than the Wii and PS3... but everyone says MS makes terrible hardware period. To be honest, the 360 is the only MS hardware I've ever owned, so I cant really judge it for myself.

So was the original Xbox pretty faulty? Are Zunes faulty? Is Microsoft really that bad when it comes to being a hardware maker??? Or is it just System Wars nonsense?

Englandfc1966

Zunes: No

Original Xbox: No

Original Xbox : Yes.

May not have hit RROD levels, but it was there.

Idk I never had any problems with mine. :S

Although I only had two bad ones, I used to work for a retailer when the Xbox launched in 2001, and around mid-2002 to Xmas 2002, that's when we started seeing a pattern. "Disk is Dirty or Damaged". Of course, working retail can be jaded I suppose.

My mum had a hardware problem so I decked her with a spadeKeepClear

The major issue for the 360 was design. They went with a more visually appealing model since the Xbox was criticized for being ugly, but they failed to build into the design proper heat dispersal.

Add to that some sub-standard component assembly, and the 360 was not made well. I think MS could have done more, but in the end, MS can make and design good hardware, they just made a major error in this case.

It happens. Only thing I hope is that they learned from the mistake and don't repeat it.

The original Launch Xbox's were really bad, for years.

They would eget this message, which I have INGRAINED because I had TWO of them go bad.

"This Disk is DIRTY OR DAMAGED, Please insert an Xbox Disk".

It was terrible. I had over 30 games that just wouldn't work anymore. A year later, same problem again.

However, I finally ended up with TWO HALO Xbox's, and those still work to this day.

My buddy had to replace his ZUNE, only once, but it had a HDD, but those aren't as stable as the New NONHDD Zunes.

I think M$ gets a bad rap because of Window's, especially Window's Explorer.

SolidTy

Windows is not nearly as bad as haters would have you believe. Its just become "hip" to hate them, and many people who profess hatred of Windows are hard pressed to defend their PoVs with anything other than the standard knee-jerk responses of "they are a monopoly" and/or the quaint notion of security.

Neither reason is very true, and both are easily minimized with little know-how.

Microsoft keyboards are some of the best infact their ergonomic ones are better the logitechs they are one of the few companies that actually goes out of their way to make ergonomic keyboards, their mice are great.

So no microsoft is not bad at hardware completely the original xbox had problems but so did the ps2 and the ps2 had it worse but no microsoft hardware is good.

It seems that only their videogame consoles have problems.

I find that Zunes are more reliable than Ipods.

But even then, my original Xbox had some problems. And I've only had the RRoD once.

So, I don't have much to judge really.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

The original Launch Xbox's were really bad, for years.

They would eget this message, which I have INGRAINED because I had TWO of them go bad.

"This Disk is DIRTY OR DAMAGED, Please insert an Xbox Disk".

It was terrible. I had over 30 games that just wouldn't work anymore. A year later, same problem again.

However, I finally ended up with TWO HALO Xbox's, and those still work to this day.

My buddy had to replace his ZUNE, only once, but it had a HDD, but those aren't as stable as the New NONHDD Zunes.

I think M$ gets a bad rap because of Window's, especially Window's Explorer.

SpruceCaboose

Windows is not nearly as bad as haters would have you believe. Its just become "hip" to hate them, and many people who profess hatred of Windows are hard pressed to defend their PoVs with anything other than the standard knee-jerk responses of "they are a monopoly" and/or the quaint notion of security.

Neither reason is very true, and both are easily minimized with little know-how.

Isnt that the truth. Funny how even people who use Windows bash 'em still, lo

[QUOTE="SpruceCaboose"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]

The original Launch Xbox's were really bad, for years.

They would eget this message, which I have INGRAINED because I had TWO of them go bad.

"This Disk is DIRTY OR DAMAGED, Please insert an Xbox Disk".

It was terrible. I had over 30 games that just wouldn't work anymore. A year later, same problem again.

However, I finally ended up with TWO HALO Xbox's, and those still work to this day.

My buddy had to replace his ZUNE, only once, but it had a HDD, but those aren't as stable as the New NONHDD Zunes.

I think M$ gets a bad rap because of Window's, especially Window's Explorer.

carljohnson3456

Windows is not nearly as bad as haters would have you believe. Its just become "hip" to hate them, and many people who profess hatred of Windows are hard pressed to defend their PoVs with anything other than the standard knee-jerk responses of "they are a monopoly" and/or the quaint notion of security.

Neither reason is very true, and both are easily minimized with little know-how.

Isnt that the truth. Funny how even people who use Windows bash 'em still, lo

Well, there's apple users out there as well.lol.

Not really. The Xbox was a very solidly built console last generation and Zune hardware performs great as well. My first Xbox did indeed die on me less than 2 weeks after I got it for Christmas of '01 due to perpetual overheating but it was replaced later in January and that console has worked like a dream ever since, even to this day. The Zune I purchased last year (Halo 3 Edition) is working like a champ and hasn't given me one problem so far.

It's a well known fact that Microsoft's specialty isn't hardware but the Xbox 360 seems to be the only system that has serious hardware problems. Here's hoping that, should there be an Xbox 720, they'll invest some serious time and effort into R&D to ensure that nothing like the RROD fiasco happens again next gen.

So we all know the 360 has had terrible hardware, we got it. No one can deny it. It easily has a higher failure rate than the Wii and PS3... but everyone says MS makes terrible hardware period. To be honest, the 360 is the only MS hardware I've ever owned, so I cant really judge it for myself.

So was the original Xbox pretty faulty? Are Zunes faulty? Is Microsoft really that bad when it comes to being a hardware maker??? Or is it just System Wars nonsense?

carljohnson3456

Its not hardware, but look at the problems Windows ME, XP had in the begain, and Vista has. How many time has your PC crashed and had to reload windows, If you have Windows mobile 6 on your cell phone, it frezzes because of Mobile 6. Its not just the 360, its Microsoft.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]

The original Launch Xbox's were really bad, for years.

They would eget this message, which I have INGRAINED because I had TWO of them go bad.

"This Disk is DIRTY OR DAMAGED, Please insert an Xbox Disk".

It was terrible. I had over 30 games that just wouldn't work anymore. A year later, same problem again.

However, I finally ended up with TWO HALO Xbox's, and those still work to this day.

My buddy had to replace his ZUNE, only once, but it had a HDD, but those aren't as stable as the New NONHDD Zunes.

I think M$ gets a bad rap because of Window's, especially Window's Explorer.

SpruceCaboose

Windows is not nearly as bad as haters would have you believe. Its just become "hip" to hate them, and many people who profess hatred of Windows are hard pressed to defend their PoVs with anything other than the standard knee-jerk responses of "they are a monopoly" and/or the quaint notion of security.

Neither reason is very true, and both are easily minimized with little know-how.

You should have research this before you made this statement. Windows is bad.

a little; everything is brocken when they first come out. i bought a 360 in 07 it died 4/5 months later then i got a new one it is working great.

vista was bad when it first came out. now people have said it is working fine.

So we all know the 360 has had terrible hardware, we got it. No one can deny it. It easily has a higher failure rate than the Wii and PS3... but everyone says MS makes terrible hardware period. To be honest, the 360 is the only MS hardware I've ever owned, so I cant really judge it for myself.

So was the original Xbox pretty faulty? Are Zunes faulty? Is Microsoft really that bad when it comes to being a hardware maker??? Or is it just System Wars nonsense?

carljohnson3456

[QUOTE="carljohnson3456"]

So we all know the 360 has had terrible hardware, we got it. No one can deny it. It easily has a higher failure rate than the Wii and PS3... but everyone says MS makes terrible hardware period. To be honest, the 360 is the only MS hardware I've ever owned, so I cant really judge it for myself.

So was the original Xbox pretty faulty? Are Zunes faulty? Is Microsoft really that bad when it comes to being a hardware maker??? Or is it just System Wars nonsense?

CubanBlunt

Its not hardware, but look at the problems Windows ME, XP had in the begain, and Vista has. How many time has your PC crashed and had to reload windows, If you have Windows mobile 6 on your cell phone, it frezzes because of Mobile 6. Its not just the 360, its Microsoft.

Windows is not nearly as bad as haters would have you believe. Its just become "hip" to hate them, and many people who profess hatred of Windows are hard pressed to defend their PoVs with anything other than the standard knee-jerk responses of "they are a monopoly" and/or the quaint notion of security.

Neither reason is very true, and both are easily minimized with little know-how.

SpruceCaboose

No, only 360.

The original Xbox was built fairly well. Mine works flawlessly to this day (I have a Philips Drive).

Those, however, with an Xbox with a Thompson Drive are far worse shape, than Samsungs and Philips Drives.

So was the original Xbox pretty faulty?

carljohnson3456