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#1  Edited By Kjranu
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Two of this year's high profile games, Destiny 2 and Shadow of War, will not be released on the Switch. Nintendo could pay a bribe to those developers for their release on the Switch even if they are graphically weaker versions. However, it's rather apparent that Nintendo isn't willing to do everything to get third party on board and ensure that their console appeals to everybody, and not just a clique of Nintendo fans and casuals. It's the everyday gamer that spreads positive word of mouth everywhere. The reason why PS4 is very successful.

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#2  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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Nintendo isn't looking to compete with Sony or MS.

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#4 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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32GB size cartridges and 3.25GB LPDDR4 with 25GB Bandwidth... The Switch will NEVER get high end multiplatform games. Also developers have to create two builds of the game one for the docked and one for the tablet mode which is BARELY any more powerful than the Wii U with 0.3 TFLOP count DO you have any idea how BAD that is?...

Nintendo fans please stop kidding your self the X1 and PS4 struggle to get 30FPS at 1080p with high end multiplatform games and those consoles are 3-4 times as powerful.

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#5  Edited By deactivated-5d1e44cf96229
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Even if the Switch got those games, they would not sell well on the Switch. Nobody is going to buy a Switch for watered down ports of those games and most of the people that buy a Switch also have at least one other system that they can play a superior version of those games on.

I'd rather see and think it would be much more beneficial for Nintendo to bribe developers to get exclusive games for the Switch that take advantage of the Switch's capabilities over watered down ports of Xbox and PS4 games that won't sell well on the Switch.

Nintendo doesn't need to be like a watered down PS4 to be successful; in fact, I'd say that trying to do that would be a sure-fire path to failure for Nintendo. It's better for Nintendo to offer an alternative and different kind of gaming experience than to try to be a watered down PS4 clone.

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I'm already dreading the 15 minutes Sony will waste on that dog shit at E3.

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#8 Dibdibdobdobo
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Even a large portion of ps4 / X1 owners don't care for destiny 2 after the abomination of number 1, why would switch owners care?

The best shooter in years is getting a sequel (Splatoon 2) which is being released in few days. Where those high caliber Shooter from Sony or ms?! They're not trying....

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#9 deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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@Dibdibdobdobo: There are plenty of excellent shooters on PS4 and Xbox One such as Overwatch and DOOM. I don't think those platforms need to worry so much.

Saying that, Splatoon 2 looks excellent also and I can't wait to give it a try. :)

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#10 MirkoS77
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@storm_of_swords: I always thought they did, with their games.

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#11 R4gn4r0k
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They should pay Activision to keep Destiny off the Switch.

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#12 Pedro
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Things are different this time, at E3 they are going to announce all the third parties and AAA games for the Switch.

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It really bugs me when people compare the Switch power to the Xbox One and PS4. The Switch is smaller than a bluray case. What kind of magic do you expect? It seems like wizardry to me that Mario Kart 8 Deluxe looks and runs as well as it does. Not to mention it runs Lego City at a higher resolution than the Xbox One.

The Switch has more mass appeal right now. I wouldn't be surprised if it wins NPD and media create for the rest of the year. And this will be without Destiny 2. And Shadow of War? Really? That's the next biggest 3rd party title you could think of? That game won't be top 3 any month it's out or finish in the top 10 in the end of year charts.

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#14 SecretPolice
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Do you Switch & Bait a hook to catch sheep? There ya go. lol :P

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#15 Dibdibdobdobo
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@jumpaction: I agree. There's quality of FPS on both consoles so Destiny 2 doesn't stand out apart from advertising money where Activision will throw loads at it. I've never brought as many FPS as have on the PS4.

June is looking a bad month. Tekken and Splatoon. Gonna have to sell my soul "AGAIN " as these 2 are some of my favourite franchises.

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#16  Edited By deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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@Dibdibdobdobo: Is Splatoon 2 not scheduled for July? I thought Nintendo aimed to release ARMS in June.

I still haven't played all the games released in May that I've wanted to try. June needs to wait! I can't keep up. :(

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@metalslimenite said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

32GB size cartridges and 3.25GB LPDDR4 with 25GB Bandwidth... The Switch will NEVER get high end multiplatform games. Also developers have to create two builds of the game one for the docked and one for the tablet mode which is BARELY any more powerful than the Wii U with 0.3 TFLOP count DO you have any idea how BAD that is?...

Nintendo fans please stop kidding your self the X1 and PS4 struggle to get 30FPS at 1080p with high end multiplatform games and those consoles are 3-4 times as powerful.

Nintendo fans have never wanted these kinds of games in the first place. It's always Playstation and Xbox fanboys saying they want these games on Nintendo systems. Nintendo fans don't want bro games, and that's ok. Xbox fans don't want Japanese games, and that's ok too. There's enough games and systems with different appeals to suit everyone.

The majority of amazing games don't require extreme power.

Stop with the BS, as an Xbox gamer some of my favourite 360 games were Japanese in Bayonetta, Lost Odyssey, Enslaved, Blue Dragon, Ninja Gaiden etc.

You're just as bad as the people who say weeaboo or whatever it is, by banging your drum about bro gamers.

You're not an Xbox gamer whereas I am, so stop acting like you speak for Xbox gamers, so go bang your drum somewhere else.

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#18  Edited By KungfuKitten
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Or maybe, 3rd party devs could wisen up and pay for their own development.

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#19 nintendoboy16
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@i_p_daily said:
@metalslimenite said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

32GB size cartridges and 3.25GB LPDDR4 with 25GB Bandwidth... The Switch will NEVER get high end multiplatform games. Also developers have to create two builds of the game one for the docked and one for the tablet mode which is BARELY any more powerful than the Wii U with 0.3 TFLOP count DO you have any idea how BAD that is?...

Nintendo fans please stop kidding your self the X1 and PS4 struggle to get 30FPS at 1080p with high end multiplatform games and those consoles are 3-4 times as powerful.

Nintendo fans have never wanted these kinds of games in the first place. It's always Playstation and Xbox fanboys saying they want these games on Nintendo systems. Nintendo fans don't want bro games, and that's ok. Xbox fans don't want Japanese games, and that's ok too. There's enough games and systems with different appeals to suit everyone.

The majority of amazing games don't require extreme power.

Stop with the BS, as an Xbox gamer some of my favourite 360 games were Japanese in Bayonetta, Lost Odyssey, Enslaved, Blue Dragon, Ninja Gaiden etc.

You're just as bad as the people who say weeaboo or whatever it is, by banging your drum about bro gamers.

You're not an Xbox gamer whereas I am, so stop acting like you speak for Xbox gamers, so go bang your drum somewhere else.

It's just as bad as saying Nintendo fans don't want third party support, really.

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#20  Edited By KungfuKitten
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Yeah. If you buy a MS platform you don't buy it expecting it to get Japanese support or exclusives. If you buy a Nintendo platform you don't buy it expecting it to get 3rd party support. But that doesn't mean the gamer is stuck with one platform or doesn't want more.

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#21 Bread_or_Decide
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Bah. Doom, that's the game I want on Switch.

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#22 Sam3231
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Nintendo being cheap? Noo never.

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#23  Edited By LegatoSkyheart
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Destiny 2 is barely even going to be on PC as it is.

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#24 Solaryellow
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Nintendo could have its pick of whatever game it desires for the Switch but ti costs money and I get the impression that unless a developer is dropping at the knees of Kyoto, Nintendo does not want it.

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#25 Dibdibdobdobo
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@jumpaction: Perhaps I'm wrong. Not looked too deep into it as don't wanna spoil the surprises.

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#26  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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Nintendo isn't being cheap at all. They are just doing there own thing and not interested going up against PS4/Pro, Xbox One/Scorpio for that matter.

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#27 deactivated-5c1d0901c2aec
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@Dibdibdobdobo: I just checked for you so you wouldn't accidentally hit content spoilers; ARMS is out June 16th while Splatoon 2 will be launching July 21st. :)

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#28  Edited By tjandmia
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Nintendo fans need to understand that a large part of the industry stopped caring about Nintendo and it's goofy hardware more than a decade ago. They use absurd phrases like "Nintendo isn't competing with Sony or Microsoft" blah blah blah. Yes, Nintendo is. It's just that no one gives a shit about Nintendo hardware anymore.

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#29  Edited By Dibdibdobdobo
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@jumpaction: good to know. Can wait few more weeks to get the switch.

Thanks for the information Dude.

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@Dibdibdobdobo: You're welcome. :)

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#31 pyro1245
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Nintendo is being too Nintendo.

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#33 AzatiS
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@Kjranu said:

Two of this year's high profile games, Destiny 2 and Shadow of War, will not be released on the Switch. Nintendo could pay a bribe to those developers for their release on the Switch even if they are graphically weaker versions. However, it's rather apparent that Nintendo isn't willing to do everything to get third party on board and ensure that their console appeals to everybody, and not just a clique of Nintendo fans and casuals. It's the everyday gamer that spreads positive word of mouth everywhere. The reason why PS4 is very successful.

Switch is your secondary platform . Lets hope it wont end up in life support by its 3rd/4th year

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#34  Edited By AzatiS
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@metalslimenite said:
@tjandmia said:

Nintendo fans need to understand that a large part of the industry stopped caring about Nintendo and it's goofy hardware more than a decade ago. They use absurd phrases like "Nintendo isn't competing with Sony or Microsoft" blah blah blah. Yes, Nintendo is. It's just that no one gives a shit about Nintendo hardware anymore.

So that's why Switch is forecasted to sell around 10 million units in its first year compared to Xbox One selling 13 million units in around 4 years?

Wii sold as well and died way earlier than X360 and PS3 , whats your point ? Noone gives a shit about Nintendo hardware anymore , its a fact. Its software what is making Switch sell.

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#36 osan0
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does anyone honestly believe a switch version of these games would sell enough to warrant the port? who in their right mind would choose a switch version over a PS4/X1/PC version (which would cost the same)? how many are stuck with just a switch?

sure nintendo could pay for a port. but to what end?

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I'm actually fine with Nintendo not ponying up for that type of stuff. I think they should make more of an effort to make their platform as third party friendly as possible so third party devs have a reason to release stuff on the Switch, as I like a system to have a full library of options. Plus I think everyone that loves going "omg mario kart in bed"...I'm sure someone would find the same type of appeal for things like Doom or even shitty ass Destiny.

I would like Nintendo to invest their time, money, and resources on expanding their IP portfolio with new shit. Splatoon was a good first step, shame Codename STEAM stinks, and Arms could be neato. Now pls let the Zelda team, Retro, the Mario Guys, Sakuria, n Sakamoto do new ips.

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#38 AzatiS
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@metalslimenite said:
@AzatiS said:
@metalslimenite said:
@tjandmia said:

Nintendo fans need to understand that a large part of the industry stopped caring about Nintendo and it's goofy hardware more than a decade ago. They use absurd phrases like "Nintendo isn't competing with Sony or Microsoft" blah blah blah. Yes, Nintendo is. It's just that no one gives a shit about Nintendo hardware anymore.

So that's why Switch is forecasted to sell around 10 million units in its first year compared to Xbox One selling 13 million units in around 4 years?

Wii sold as well and died way earlier than X360 and PS3 , whats your point ? Noone gives a shit about Nintendo hardware anymore , its a fact. Its software what is making Switch sell.

You are fucking stupid if you can't tell a Switch from a Wii. They are different systems with different games and features.

Sheep were praising Wii like no other Nintendo system before it , yes even more than SNES , it sold tremendously good , double than other consoles at a time that is , everyone was laughing on PS3 especially for its performance and sales etc ...

Different ? They have way more similarities than differences and you calling me stupid instead !

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#39  Edited By KungfuKitten
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@metalslimenite said:
@tjandmia said:

Nintendo fans need to understand that a large part of the industry stopped caring about Nintendo and it's goofy hardware more than a decade ago. They use absurd phrases like "Nintendo isn't competing with Sony or Microsoft" blah blah blah. Yes, Nintendo is. It's just that no one gives a shit about Nintendo hardware anymore.

So that's why Switch is forecasted to sell around 10 million units in its first year compared to Xbox One selling 13 million units in around 4 years?

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#40 jaydan
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The original Destiny was one of my last regrettable game purchases. It was that final lesson learned to not just buy games for the sake of their popularity, because the game was shit.

I can't fathom a game like Destiny working well on a format like Switch either.

Consider 3rd-party games that work with the design, not just because they're 3rd-party and therefore should be on Switch for the sake of it.

Take a game like Persona 5 - now that's a game that would work in spades on Switch.

I have no say on Shadow of War, as I have not played the original and that it does not interest me one bit.

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#42  Edited By AzatiS
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@metalslimenite said:
@AzatiS said:
@metalslimenite said:
@AzatiS said:

Wii sold as well and died way earlier than X360 and PS3 , whats your point ? Noone gives a shit about Nintendo hardware anymore , its a fact. Its software what is making Switch sell.

You are fucking stupid if you can't tell a Switch from a Wii. They are different systems with different games and features.

Sheep were praising Wii like no other Nintendo system before it , yes even more than SNES , it sold tremendously good , double than other consoles at a time that is , everyone was laughing on PS3 especially for its performance and sales etc ...

Different ? They have way more similarities than differences and you calling me stupid instead !

You're stupid because you compare life to goddamn system wars. That's fucking stupid.

Nice spin , i think i get whos alt you are now

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@AzatiS: to be fair, my primary system isn't the one that will be playing Destiny 2 or LoTR... actually I don't think any of my systems will be playing them. :P

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#44  Edited By deactivated-5f3ec00254b0d
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The X360 and PS3 ran Destiny quite well, considering the limitations. I'm sure the Switch could run a version of Destiny 2. Just don't see why would Nintendo spend money with it. Also, just take a look at the Switch and compare it with the Xbox and PS... Does it look like it's a system designed to compete directly with the other two consoles.

We might see 3rd parties going out of their way to adapt their games to the system, if the Switch keeps selling. But I don't see the point of Nintendo wasting millions with Destiny.

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@Kjranu said:

Two of this year's high profile games, Destiny 2 and Shadow of War, will not be released on the Switch. Nintendo could pay a bribe to those developers for their release on the Switch even if they are graphically weaker versions. However, it's rather apparent that Nintendo isn't willing to do everything to get third party on board and ensure that their console appeals to everybody, and not just a clique of Nintendo fans and casuals. It's the everyday gamer that spreads positive word of mouth everywhere. The reason why PS4 is very successful.

Just forget the idea of great AAA third party support on the Switch. The Switch is just another Nintendo delivery system and that is all.

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#46  Edited By deactivated-5cf3bfcedc29b
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Nintendo wants you to play Nintendo games on Switch $$$$$$$

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#47 enzyme36
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All the usual suspects complaining to themselves... I'd assume mostly non-owners who would not buy these games on the Switch either way.

But you know what they say about assuming...

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#48  Edited By GameboyTroy
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Nintendo has billions of dollars. What do you think of their spending lately based on knowing that? To me, they are being cheap.

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#49  Edited By tjandmia
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@metalslimenite: forecasts are irrelevant. Sales are down like 400% from last month. Just like the wiiu, the only people buying that piece of shit are Nintendo fans. Nintendo will be lucky to sell 10 million lifetime.