Is PC gaming a generation ahead?

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#151 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]I'll sum this up: Hermits: GOD yes, probably like two or three gens ahead Everyone else: Meh, better graphics but that's about ti.

...gameplay evolves, people innovation and copy, that's why things like regen health has become standard. But graphics, hell no, if you got the hardware, or even if you don't have the hardware (Cough crysis) then graphics just take a huge jump. Also, the PC's power allowed Crysis to have such unique gameplay.
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[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]I'll sum this up: Hermits: GOD yes, probably like two or three gens ahead Everyone else: Meh, better graphics but that's about ti.ocstew
...gameplay evolves, people innovation and copy, that's why things like regen health has become standard. But graphics, hell no, if you got the hardware, or even if you don't have the hardware (Cough crysis) then graphics just take a huge jump. Also, the PC's power allowed Crysis to have such unique gameplay.

Sorry, aside from teh graphics crysis didnt have any gameplay that was so unique it couldnt have been done with anything else.

Oh, and the graphics difference may be there, but by no means is it huge, unless higher res textures and some more resolution constitute huge.

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#153 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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[QUOTE="ocstew"][QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]I'll sum this up: Hermits: GOD yes, probably like two or three gens ahead Everyone else: Meh, better graphics but that's about ti.warmaster670

...gameplay evolves, people innovation and copy, that's why things like regen health has become standard. But graphics, hell no, if you got the hardware, or even if you don't have the hardware (Cough crysis) then graphics just take a huge jump. Also, the PC's power allowed Crysis to have such unique gameplay.

Sorry, aside from teh graphics crysis didnt have any gameplay that was so unique it couldnt have been done with anything else.

Oh, and the graphics difference may be there, but by no means is it huge, unless higher res textures and some more resolution constitute huge.

Played Crysis? Not a fanboy? Then you'd realize that the huge open ended environments and destructibility were made possible by the PC, Crysis could not have been done on consoles, Crytek themselves said it when talking about Crysis 2 on consoles. So there you go. Oh and gameplay, hmmm I don't think consolers would be doing complex maneuvers and combos with the nanosuit on a gamepad.
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#154 skrat_01
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As far as game design trends and hardware goes. Well yeah, it has been for years now. This isn't a secret.
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#155 skrat_01
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Sorry, aside from teh graphics crysis didnt have any gameplay that was so unique it couldnt have been done with anything else.

Oh, and the graphics difference may be there, but by no means is it huge, unless higher res textures and some more resolution constitute huge.

warmaster670
Which is why it got FPS GOTY here. Find me five shooters this generation with more inventive game design than Crysis.
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#156 skrat_01
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[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]I'll sum this up: Hermits: GOD yes, probably like two or three gens ahead Everyone else: Meh, better graphics but that's about ti.

Is there a game comparable to The Void on console? No not really, this isn't a game that would ever take off on a system with such stiff genre constraints. Is there a game like Minecraft on consoles? No games that exist with such little rules are absent, unless it's something along the lines of Little Big Planet. Is there a distribution network like that on PC, on consoles? No everything is through layers and layers of regulation; be it business models, updates or distribution networks. Again, look at TF2, or Minecraft. Is there a with the technical scope of that on PC? ArmA 2, Total War etc.; No of course not Are there tools available to the end user on console? No of course not, user generated content on a whole is almost universally shunned except for a few exclusive titles with regulated content. - Naturally PC gaming is a glimpse of possible future directions for console gaming, in it's current state... which is obvious as history has dictated consoles have evolved in a predictably similar way. The biggest individual evolution in recent years has been the advent of motion gaming, which has expanded console demographics massively; it is the elephant in the room for the console centric realm.
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#157 fredthekeb
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i would say more than a generation, i doubt the next consoles would have something as powerful as an ATI 5870 or GTX 480

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....the important major step for pc is DX11 which is probably the last card generation for long times...

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#159 Zurrur
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Some PC games have bit better graphics than in consoles but design is far behind console games

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#160 teck157713
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This is definitely yes. Even though the games in PS3 and Xbox 360 has more exclusive and advantage, PC gaming has started since the first gaming console and will lasts forever.

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#161 dukenukemownsu
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This is definitely yes. Even though the games in PS3 and Xbox 360 has more exclusive and advantage, PC gaming has started since the first gaming console and will lasts forever.

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#162 nameless12345
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Hardware wise, yes. Game wise - depends from genre. For example PC strategies are far superior to console strategies but for some genres the PC is a joke.

And I still think the fun factor on consoles is bigger than the PC (which is just for WoW and C-S nerds and tech demo graphics ho's :lol: ).

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#163 nameless12345
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Joke aside - yes, I do think PC games are generally more complex than console games and that PC hardware offers bigger posibilites. But I also believe that you do not need infinite resources to create impressive games. The best devs, to me, are those who manage to get the most out of lesser hardware. Sure, games that push the bounds of the best possible hardware are impressive too. But I prefer those which push outdated hardware to the limits. Furthermore, like stated before, you don't need complex game environments to make a fun game. And it is also debatable how much more evolved PC games actually are. If we look at hardcore sims, the PC sims are far more advanced. But that does not necesarily make them more fun. Same with RPGs or any other PC genre for that matter. What makes a game fun is a subjective matter.

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#164 call_of_duty_10
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the PC (which is just for WoW and C-S nerds and tech demo graphics ho's :lol: ).

nameless12345

Better than consoles,which are for 12 year olds(Don't believe me?Go play some MW2 on xbox live.) Seriously,you are just trolling by insulting people like that.

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#165 nameless12345
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

the PC (which is just for WoW and C-S nerds and tech demo graphics ho's :lol: ).

call_of_duty_10

Better than consoles,which are for 12 year olds(Don't believe me?Go play some MW2 on xbox live.) Seriously,you are just trolling by insulting people like that.

I was joking ;)

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#166 deactivated-5cf4b2c19c4ab
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[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

the PC (which is just for WoW and C-S nerds and tech demo graphics ho's :lol: ).

nameless12345

Better than consoles,which are for 12 year olds(Don't believe me?Go play some MW2 on xbox live.) Seriously,you are just trolling by insulting people like that.

I was joking ;)

but system wars is serious business :P
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#167 call_of_duty_10
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[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

the PC (which is just for WoW and C-S nerds and tech demo graphics ho's :lol: ).

nameless12345

Better than consoles,which are for 12 year olds(Don't believe me?Go play some MW2 on xbox live.) Seriously,you are just trolling by insulting people like that.

I was joking ;)

Oh!Well,its difficult to detect sarcasm on the internet.
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#168 deactivated-635601fd996cc
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"] Better than consoles,which are for 12 year olds(Don't believe me?Go play some MW2 on xbox live.) Seriously,you are just trolling by insulting people like that.

call_of_duty_10

I was joking ;)

Oh!Well,its difficult to detect sarcasm on the internet.

And GS mods are suspension happy so do this /sarcasm or "LOL JOKE" or *this is sarcasm do not ban*.
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#169 waltefmoney
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Hardware? Yup.
Graphics? A bit.
Games? No.

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#170 dc337
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[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

the PC (which is just for WoW and C-S nerds and tech demo graphics ho's :lol: ).

call_of_duty_10

Better than consoles,which are for 12 year olds(Don't believe me?Go play some MW2 on xbox live.) Seriously,you are just trolling by insulting people like that.

My friend plays WoW all the time and half the people on there are under 14. I'd say it depends on the game and not the platform.

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[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"]

[QUOTE="nameless12345"]

the PC (which is just for WoW and C-S nerds and tech demo graphics ho's :lol: ).

dc337

Better than consoles,which are for 12 year olds(Don't believe me?Go play some MW2 on xbox live.) Seriously,you are just trolling by insulting people like that.

My friend plays WoW all the time and half the people on there are under 14. I'd say it depends on the game and not the platform.

There are people in their teens in my guild and they do not act like the teens in mw2, go figure.

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#172 dc337
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[QUOTE="dc337"]

[QUOTE="call_of_duty_10"] Better than consoles,which are for 12 year olds(Don't believe me?Go play some MW2 on xbox live.) Seriously,you are just trolling by insulting people like that.

rzepak

My friend plays WoW all the time and half the people on there are under 14. I'd say it depends on the game and not the platform.

There are people in their teens in my guild and they do not act like the teens in mw2, go figure.

I played BC2 for a while on the 360 and the crowd was much better than WoW. No single moms, 7 year olds, weirdos, people with thick accents, weirdos, couples, weirdos. Wow has the worst community by far. The videocompiler pranks are a good example.

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#173 calvinsora
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In terms of graphics and technology, sure, but I see no relevance in that definition at all.

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#174 rzepak
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[QUOTE="rzepak"]

[QUOTE="dc337"] My friend plays WoW all the time and half the people on there are under 14. I'd say it depends on the game and not the platform.

dc337

There are people in their teens in my guild and they do not act like the teens in mw2, go figure.

I played BC2 for a while on the 360 and the crowd was much better than WoW. No single moms, 7 year olds, weirdos, people with thick accents, weirdos, couples, weirdos. Wow has the worst community by far. The videocompiler pranks are a good example.

So I take it BC2s xbox community is all men all the time. Not only men but serious manly men with beards and glasses. No nonesense and stuff.

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#175 Lucianu
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About 2 generations ahead, i would say. The PC is a constantly evolving platform with no boundary, its only logical to have surpassed the static and long outdated hardware of a console.

But i don't care really, i like playing the SNES, NES and the PS1 far more then any current generation consoles..

Better games and a gigantic library on them.

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#176 devious742
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Is PC gaming a generation ahead?

I believe thats a yes8)

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[QUOTE="VideoGameGuy"]I'll sum this up: Hermits: GOD yes, probably like two or three gens ahead Everyone else: Meh, better graphics but that's about ti.skrat_01
Is there a game comparable to The Void on console? No not really, this isn't a game that would ever take off on a system with such stiff genre constraints. Is there a game like Minecraft on consoles? No games that exist with such little rules are absent, unless it's something along the lines of Little Big Planet. Is there a distribution network like that on PC, on consoles? No everything is through layers and layers of regulation; be it business models, updates or distribution networks. Again, look at TF2, or Minecraft. Is there a with the technical scope of that on PC? ArmA 2, Total War etc.; No of course not Are there tools available to the end user on console? No of course not, user generated content on a whole is almost universally shunned except for a few exclusive titles with regulated content. - Naturally PC gaming is a glimpse of possible future directions for console gaming, in it's current state... which is obvious as history has dictated consoles have evolved in a predictably similar way. The biggest individual evolution in recent years has been the advent of motion gaming, which has expanded console demographics massively; it is the elephant in the room for the console centric realm.



To be fair the original Operation Flashpoint was ported to Xbox. Although from what I've heard over on Bohemia's forums the 360 version of Arma 2 had to be scrapped because the hardware struggled too much to run it.

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Is PC gaming a generation ahead?

I believe thats a yes8)

devious742

That pic always makes me lol.

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#179 WhenCicadasCry
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Some PC games have bit better graphics than in consoles but design is far behind console games

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LOLWUT? Show me a console game that even resembles...

____

The X-ray engine uses GSC Game World's proprietary ALife artificial intelligence engine. ALife supports more than one thousand characters inhabiting the Zone. These characters are non-scripted, meaning that AI life can be developed even when not in contact with the player.

The NPCs have a full life cycle (task accomplishment, combat, rest, feeding and sleep) and the same applies to the many monsters living in the Zone (hunting, attacking stalkers and other monsters, resting, eating, sleeping). These monsters migrate in large groups. The non-scripted nature of the characters means that there are an unlimited number of random quests. For instance, rescuing stalkers from danger, destroying stalker renegades, protecting or attacking stalker camps or searching for treasure. The AI characters travel around the entire zone as they see fit.

Numerous tactics can be employed to complete the game, such as rushing or using stealth and sniping. The NPCs will react in a different way to each of them. S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s NPCs plan ahead by "Goal-Oriented Action Planning" to achieve this.

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or show me a console game that allows something like...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KK6Fo3Y0AU

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#180 muscleserge
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Hardware wise like many have said, yes. Todays DX11 level hardware is just too far ahead of the outdated, archaic console hardware. Best example of this is a Mid-level GTX460. I am playing Fallout NV, maxxed out at 1680x1050, 16xQ MSAA, 16x AF, 60FPS everywhere, and MSI Afterburner shows 50-60% load on the GPU. Software wise only a few games show some evolution, games like Crysis, STALKER, and a few indie games. In contrast however HD consoles almost don't show any evolution at all when compared to PC. Games have only become more casualized. On PC you can still get a game of your favorite genre, and not see it completely "redesigned" for a "better" and more "accessible" experience. Mods on PC also provide some forms of progressing a genre.
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#181 Jebus213
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Uncharted 2 looks plain ugly to me anyway. It has no buisness being a so called "Graphics King" by anybody. Unreal Engine games look better.....

Foliage looks low-textured. It has way too many bright colors. At some points the design is like a last gen game.

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35 post, is this your troll account?

I guess I need to do another 2000 posts.

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#182 mitu123
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Some PC games have bit better graphics than in consoles but design is far behind console games

Zurrur

Nope, some PC games like Stalker and Crysis can't be done on consoles.

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#183 mitu123
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[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

Uncharted 2 looks plain ugly to me anyway. It has no buisness being a so called "Graphics King" by anybody. Unreal Engine games look better.....

Foliage looks low-textured. It has way too many bright colors. At some points the design is like a last gen game.

Jebus213

35 post, is this your troll account?

I guess I need to do another 2000 posts.

I can get there in 2 weeks, I normally do 1k posts a week after all now.

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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

[QUOTE="TheSterls"]

35 post, is this your troll account?

mitu123

I guess I need to do another 2000 posts.

I can get there in 2 weeks, I normally do 1k posts a week after all now.

thats alot of posts.
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#185 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

I guess I need to do another 2000 posts.

ferret-gamer

I can get there in 2 weeks, I normally do 1k posts a week after all now.

thats alot of posts.

Yeah, it's pretty easy now when you're fully active on numerous forums and blogs. Plus night time too.

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[QUOTE="Zurrur"]

Some PC games have bit better graphics than in consoles but design is far behind console games

mitu123

Nope, some PC games like Stalker and Crysis can't be done on consoles.

exactly, any console game can be done on PC, but not every PC game can be done on a console. While keeping everything intact of course.
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#187 Zurrur
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[QUOTE="Zurrur"]

Some PC games have bit better graphics than in consoles but design is far behind console games

mitu123

Nope, some PC games like Stalker and Crysis can't be done on consoles.

Crysis looked pretty but gameplay and AI sucked Crysis can definitely be done for consoles and Crysis 2 is coming for consoles too

Stalker just looks ugly, some textures are pretty thought. Gameplay and AI are nothing special and story is just bad

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#188 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"][QUOTE="mitu123"] I can get there in 2 weeks, I normally do 1k posts a week after all now.

mitu123

thats alot of posts.

Yeah, it's pretty easy now when you're fully active on numerous forums and blogs. Plus night time too.

If anything, having more forums and blogs to post would make it harder to make 1k here a week. Where do you get the time :(
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#189 Upparoom
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The hardware is easily more advanced, but don't get this pretentious attitude where all PC games are like gifts from god, thrown from cyborg heaven from the future and console games are inferior, unplayable, archaic games made by ancient Egyptians.

We truly don't know what we're saying is "ahead of its time" until we see exactly what it's up against in the future. None of us have a crystal ball.

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We've seen the future.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shZzYkpl5Nk

I watched that and my laptop speakers started crying blood. :shock:

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#190 WhenCicadasCry
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Zurrur"]

Some PC games have bit better graphics than in consoles but design is far behind console games

Zurrur

Nope, some PC games like Stalker and Crysis can't be done on consoles.

Crysis looked pretty but gameplay and AI sucked Crysis can definitely be done for consoles and Crysis 2 is coming for consoles too

Stalker just looks ugly, some textures are pretty thought. Gameplay and AI are nothing special and story is just bad

Troll confirmed. Crytek already said Crysis 1 IS NOT POSSIBLE on the consoles, due to their limitations, And Stalker ugly? Bad story, bad gameplay and AI?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjIIjMPyq3U

:|

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#191 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="ferret-gamer"] thats alot of posts.Sandvichman

Yeah, it's pretty easy now when you're fully active on numerous forums and blogs. Plus night time too.

If anything, having more forums and blogs to post would make it harder to make 1k here a week. Where do you get the time :(

Some parts of the day and mostly at night, I've done 300 posts in a day sometimes.

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#192 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Zurrur"]

Some PC games have bit better graphics than in consoles but design is far behind console games

Zurrur

Nope, some PC games like Stalker and Crysis can't be done on consoles.

Crysis looked pretty but gameplay and AI sucked Crysis can definitely be done for consoles and Crysis 2 is coming for consoles too

Stalker just looks ugly, some textures are pretty thought. Gameplay and AI are nothing special and story is just bad

Crysis 2 on consoles is a downgrade from Crysis 1 and Crysis 2 on PC owns both.

Stalker has too much going on streamlined at once to be done on consoles and mods look great on it, I owned the original as well.

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#193 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Yeah, it's pretty easy now when you're fully active on numerous forums and blogs. Plus night time too.

mitu123

If anything, having more forums and blogs to post would make it harder to make 1k here a week. Where do you get the time :(

Some parts of the day and mostly at night, I've done 300 posts in a day sometimes.

But dont you have school or work that gets in the way? :o
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#194 Zurrur
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[QUOTE="mitu123"] Nope, some PC games like Stalker and Crysis can't be done on consoles.

WhenCicadasCry

Crysis looked pretty but gameplay and AI sucked Crysis can definitely be done for consoles and Crysis 2 is coming for consoles too

Stalker just looks ugly, some textures are pretty thought. Gameplay and AI are nothing special and story is just bad

Troll confirmed. Crytek already said Crysis 1 IS NOT POSSIBLE on the consoles, due to their limitations, And Stalker ugly? Bad story, bad gameplay and AI?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjIIjMPyq3U

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haha how many game developments have told that they're game can't be done on other platforms? pretty much every devolopment thats making exclusive game

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#195 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] If anything, having more forums and blogs to post would make it harder to make 1k here a week. Where do you get the time :( Sandvichman

Some parts of the day and mostly at night, I've done 300 posts in a day sometimes.

But dont you have school or work that gets in the way? :o

I graduated in 2006 and my work is freelance so it can happen anytime for me.:D

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#196 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="mitu123"] Some parts of the day and mostly at night, I've done 300 posts in a day sometimes.

mitu123

But dont you have school or work that gets in the way? :o

I graduated in 2006 and my work is freelance so it can happen anytime for me.:D

Freelance?
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#197 mitu123
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[QUOTE="mitu123"]

[QUOTE="Sandvichman"] But dont you have school or work that gets in the way? :oSandvichman

I graduated in 2006 and my work is freelance so it can happen anytime for me.:D

Freelance?

Yes, freelance welding.

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#198 WhenCicadasCry
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[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

[QUOTE="Zurrur"]

Crysis looked pretty but gameplay and AI sucked Crysis can definitely be done for consoles and Crysis 2 is coming for consoles too

Stalker just looks ugly, some textures are pretty thought. Gameplay and AI are nothing special and story is just bad

Zurrur

Troll confirmed. Crytek already said Crysis 1 IS NOT POSSIBLE on the consoles, due to their limitations, And Stalker ugly? Bad story, bad gameplay and AI?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjIIjMPyq3U

:|

haha how many game developments have told that they're game can't be done on other platforms? pretty much every devolopment thats making exclusive game

I'm sure if it could be done on the consoles, Crytek would have ported it. Crysis uses over 1gig of RAM. Consoles only have 256mb lol.

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#199 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="Sandvichman"][QUOTE="mitu123"] I graduated in 2006 and my work is freelance so it can happen anytime for me.:D

mitu123

Freelance?

Yes, freelance welding.

Welding, the hell? Unless im mistaken here, welding, herp derp, mythbusters style? I always though you to be the person with a university education.
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#200 Sandvichman
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[QUOTE="Zurrur"]

[QUOTE="WhenCicadasCry"]

Troll confirmed. Crytek already said Crysis 1 IS NOT POSSIBLE on the consoles, due to their limitations, And Stalker ugly? Bad story, bad gameplay and AI?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjIIjMPyq3U

:|

WhenCicadasCry

haha how many game developments have told that they're game can't be done on other platforms? pretty much every devolopment thats making exclusive game

I'm sure if it could be done on the consoles, Crytek would have ported it. Crysis uses over 1gig of RAM. Consoles only have 256mb lol.

It could be done, but then it wouldn't be crysis anymore, but isn't obvious, i fail to see the point of brining up this discussion when it is obvious,.