Is quibbling over FPS REALLY that important?

I’ve never had an issue with FPS as long as it’s around 30fps these days.

Now everyone loses their shit if it drops below 120. Why? Why is it such a big deal? Nobody cared before. Watching you all throw hissy fits over it… it’s just pathetic.

SW posters don't realize they're in a bubble.

A player running the game at 200 fps has a significant advantage over one running the game at a lower frame per second. Competitive Gaming 101. Take notes.

It's a form of elitism introduced by the PC crowd once jaggies stopped being a thing some time ago. I'm curious what we will complain about another 10 years from now....

That said, 60fps is a big improvement for fast-paced games.

Gotta love it when people who have never played a game above 30fps, tell me it's fine and they see no difference. Most people don't even realize that even on PC if you can run a game at 120fps, if you only have a 60hz monitor, you're only seeing 60 of those frames per second.

At higher frame rates the game runs much smoother, and it's not just a visual improvement, but all your own movements and controls are much, much more responsive. It's easier to be a lot more accurate and quicker to react when your screen relays information, and the game relays your inputs more times per second.

TC must not be a big baller.

Watch out OP the herms are coming for you. It is funny that the higher the frames the higher they're enjoyment, even if they were playing poop simulator on Steam lol.

@NathanDrakeSwag: I don’t know what that’s supposed to mean but I can only assume you must be spectacularly shit at games if you need every precious nanosecond of response time in order to have a level playing field.

It's simple. Once you've played Genital Jousting at 144Hz, there's no going back to 30fps

You mean not to poke fun in system wars?

"It's elitism!" you whine...

...ten seconds later "it actually does make a difference, though".

Then it's not elitism.

/thread.

*spurt*

"It's fine" is usually what people who don't know how good things can be say to deal with their lot in life.

But hey, more power to you if you're OK with 30 fps. Some of us like a bit more quality in our life, however, and you shouldn't criticize them for it.

At the risk of psycho analyzing, I think the biggest problem here is you folks aren't actually "fine" with 30, but can't really do anything about it, so you do what most petty people do and whine at people that have it better than you.

You've got no one to blame but yourself for your situation.

Ideally you want 60fps for every game.

*shrug*

Depends on how insecure someone is playing at 30 fps and thinking (lying to themselves) that it's fine. Personally I don't care how people enjoy themselves, unless they're sadists, but saying you can't tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 fps is factually wrong...unless there is a medical issue or something I guess. Those that say they don't care about the difference, I think is lying, but again...whatever floats your boat.

So no, not that important.

Yeah, fps is hardly ever a dealbreaker for me. Sure I love a nice silky smooth high fps that allows me more reactive responses but I can also have plenty of fun playing other games with 30 fps or even if it *gasps* drops below that. Those drops have to be pretty hard and frequent for it to really bother me.

@mrbojangles25: Yes, either that or some of us have better things to do. Like working for a living. Which is why I laughed my ass off at your insinuation that I’m poor. Jackass.

Your "better thing to do" is to work?

That's fucking sad, man.

Most of us have jobs, but I don't think many of us would refer to it as our "better thing to do". I'm saying this in the context of actually liking my job, too.

Better things to do are see family, visit friends, enjoy the company of our significant others, read books, cook, eat and drink, and yes...play video games.

But hey, if all you want out of life is to work and play on a sub-par platform, and that makes you happy....well that's sad but I guess ignorance is bliss.

FYI I wasn't insinuating you were poor, but I suppose I Can see how you went that route. I meant to insinuate you were ignorant/naïve.

@mrbojangles25: I don’t believe you do like your job if you’d rather be anywhere else other than working. Lots of people get great satisfaction from their careers and it makes them incredibly happy - that’s literally the opposite of sad.

Also, I’m not ignorant of the differences between frames per second but I do feel to make it the centre of your existence as you have - now THAT is sad. Which was my original point. But as you clearly missed that, it looks like the ignorant one here is you.

@mrbojangles25: Elitism is like the Hermit's whole schtick. They laugh at console peasants who fight for scraps while they maintain their place as the master race. These are facts as old as time itself.

Tho not my personal favorite platform when viewed through the narrow lense of modern games only, only an idiot would deny it's the "best" way to game from a technological standpoint. It costs money to enjoy gaming at that level, but the benefit is you're experiencing the future while everyone else is stuck in the past.

30fps for gaming was normalized in an era where it may have actually been okay. When we had a lot of games with fixed camera angles (like Resident Evil, Metal Gear Solid) etc it wasn't too bad. That was also the CRT era, and if you do not know, CRTs do not use frame buffers, but draw the image on screen in real time from top left to bottom right. No part of the image is ever actually shown more than a few milliseconds per frame so objects appear to track smoothly across the screen.

In the LCD era however, we have frame buffers and the entire image of a frame is held on screen for the entire duration of that frame before instantaneously switching to the next frame. Having every frame drawn on screen for sometimes 10x longer creates a blur effect as the screen does not smoothly transition from one frame to the next. This results in a noticeable motion blur. 30FPS in the CRT era is about as smooth as 60fps is today. Since I doubt any of us plan on gaming on CRT any time soon (not that a 1600x1200 screen wouldn't have enough resolution to do so), we need to demand a higher minimum. 60FPS.

@eoten: You still talking?

120 fps only makes sense for VR. For everything else 60 fps is perfectly fine. Saying otherwise is just SW nonsense.

Fixed. I now have a 144hz monitor and I can tell you know, it's freaking hard to go back to 60fps...for me personally. Ask BassMan, he'll tell you all about it lol. But still, 60fps is the goat.

Hit the nail on the head. There's 80% of the gaming population out there not gafing about fps and there's the elitist PC players telling people they're "lying" as a form of trolling here.

The sad truth though, is that the console players lucky enough to own PS5s and XSX's are enjoying higher frame rates and performance than a large percentage of PCs out in the wild give now. Even that doesn't stop hermits from trolling console players though.

I personally prefer 60 FPS but I don't care what frame rate others like to play at, it does not affect me. I would never bother or hassle someone for being okay with or liking 30 FPS. I have never played on my PC above 60 as my monitor does not support it. I can say there is legitimately a noticeable difference to me playing with a Keyboard and Mouse at 60 FPS vs 30 FPS, I am not sure if it is less noticeable playing with a controller. I don't think people should criticize people for being fine with 30 FPS but I also don't think people should make false claims that the people that do notice a big difference are lying, as I can assure you that is not true either, I think it depends on the person and what they are used to and how sensitive they are to FPS in games.

Life isn't a level playing field so why should games be? I'm very sorry that you're a benchwarmer who can't enjoy the luxury of gaming at 120fps. I'm going to pray for you. May you find Lord Gaben and let him show you the error of your peasant ways.

It always mattered. A larger chunk of the gaming population is now aware of it though.

"Does high FPS make you a better gamer?"

https://youtu.be/x-kwlaKKhp4

Educate yourselves, you 30 fps console playing peasants.

@NathanDrakeSwag: You seem to be implying that you cheat… Games are supposed to be competitive. What would be the point if they weren’t fair? We play them precisely because life is not and gave been doing so long before 60 or 120fps.

And not being able and not caring are two different things. Although I do appreciate your prayers - they’re just unnecessary as I’m busy actually earning…

Having a better setup than someone else does not make one a cheater. Many games have crossplay now so the developers don't even care about level playing fields.

@NathanDrakeSwag: Nah you’re just a cheater.

Yes, because this is freaking system wars.

Do you call people with faster internet speeds than you cheaters too?

You're such a crybaby. Bet you get your ass handed to you on a regular basis in online MP games. You probably lose to bots too.

@NathanDrakeSwag: I don’t play MP games very much these days. The communities make for a mostly negative experience.

Nevertheless, I know a dirty cheat when I see one and only someone as insecure as you would resort to it. You said it yourself - games shouldn’t be fair. And here’s you saying I suck. Pot and Kettle, my overcompensating friend.

The experience is only as negative as you make it. If you can't handle a little trash talk and teabagging then you're too weak for online gaming. It means you're also too weak for System Wars since the only thing you've done on here is whine about how everyone isn't locking arms in unity and singing Kumbaya.

This is one of the last places on the internet where people can talk a little shit to each other and not have to worry about being banned over offending someone. Let us enjoy it.

Omg. Are we back to shit posting that human eye can not see beyond 30 fps.

60 fps is a standard nowadays. Don't like it? Scram.

@NathanDrakeSwag: A little trash talk I can deal with - racial abuse, cyber bullying ect is not something I’m willing to put up with, however - which is what most MP gaming communities are made up of.

And I don’t see you ‘talking a little shit’ on here so much as abusing anyone who prefers a system other than PS5 or happens to have a differing opinion about anything gaming related. Our argument over FPS rates, for example.

You represent the very worst of online communities - an abusive, bullying piece of shit who tries to hide behind it by perpetuating a myth that it’s all normal.

Got a problem with that? You start a thread whining about how jealous you are other people can experience smooth gaming, then talk out your ass about how okay you are with 30fps. I doubt you've ever played a game at anything higher or else you wouldn't make such a ridiculous comment in support of 30.

You cannot miss what you've never experienced for yourself.

@eoten: We’ve been through this - *you’re* the one one who’s unemployed. *I* have money and a cynical attitude!

@Starshine_M2A2: Fps only really matters at the top level of play, where a fraction of a second could be the difference in you winning or losing a match. It raises the players skill ceiling, not skill level but ceiling. That is what most people get wrong. They think that having 150-200+ fps would help them become a better player instantly but no, your potential maximum skill level just increases a bit. Doesn't really even matter for the average player. Especially with 60hz monitors. If they would have 144hz or even 240hz, then there would be a possible case made for having improved with higher fps, because your opponents stay on the screen for a little bit longer. So in general, fps doesn't really matter but at the highest echelon of play it does.

I suck at online competitive FPS games, I could be playing at 390 FPS and still get destroyed by people playing at 30 FPS. I really wish I was better at them though as it would make it much more enjoyable for me to play them and I would play them much more often if I was.

I'd bet good money the reason you just randomly started to post on your inactive account again is to spew your Resetera groupthink vomit onto us.

@latech84: Practice makes not perfect but better. I have countless and countless hours just practicing my aim to get to a level I want so it's all down to practicing which can be boring if you just play games to chill & have fun.

Lol, so much PC gamer hate.

Dude's it's really simple. 60fps > 30fps. If you know, you know. If you don't, then stay in denial.🤷‍♂️ No need to keep resisting the truth just because some PC gamer touched you in the wrong place. 😂

It's not elitism, it factually makes a lot of genre's play better/smoother. 60fps should be the gold standard in 2021; 144+ Fps is still a luxury imo.

I was fine with 30fps for awhile. But most games now have to be around 60. It's a night and day difference that I didn't really pay much attention to until recently. Never seen 120, nor have any displays that'll do that so i can't comment on that. Even on god of war ps4, i had to play in performance mode, which was probably about 45fps. But it was a huge difference for me than the 30. I switched back and forth and couldn't do 30. I think if theres no option for over 30, it's hard to know the difference. But with an option that you can toggle, you'll definitely see it.

Umm, k.

Anywho. 30 FPS should be long gone. 60+ just looks and feels so much better than 30. Everyone except Nintendo has good enough hardware to make that happen, and should.

For me, 60 FPS should be bare minimum. When I went from 30 to 60 I didn't want to go back. I reckon most people would agree if they went from 30 to 60. It's just more responsive with camera movement, aim and overall more fluid.

If you're only playing at 30FPS, you're only thinking at 30FPS. <-This is more or less scientific FACT.

Want a better, faster brain? Upgrade your GPU. That simple.

Try to play Doom Eternal in 30fps, then in 60fps and then at 100+. You will understand real quick, NOOB.

Heck, 30fps gives some people, myself included, a headache in games with a fast moving camera such as a first person shooter. It's like putting on someone else's glasses and trying to make out what the blurry shapes are. Add bloom and it's like trying to make out shapes wearing someone elses glasses while somebody is shining a flashlight into your eyes.