Is Ryse:Son of Rome really a flop?

Explain Until Dawn 9/10, 79/100 Meta; Grav Rush 2 9/10, 80/100 meta; TLG 9/10, 82/100 meta please. Whereas Gears Ultimate is 7/10, 82/100 meta; Gears 4 is 7/10, 84/100 meta, QB 6/10, 77/100 meta, HW2 6/10, 79/100 meta. Forza 5 is the one Xbox game that got overshot.

I have 2 friends that have met Brown, Mahardy and Tamoor at E3 and they openly said they grew up on Nintendo and PS and prefer them. Its just being human. Objectivity is a lie where humans are concerned.

And yes, sometimes games are bad. But gamers are nobody to go by. There is this asinine idea that a 10 point scale means 7 is average quality and below is bad. Thats retardation to the fullest.

I mean, sure, but I really like it.

@cainetao11: I've met them all at E3. They are all mainly Nintendo fanboys to the fullest, but then favor the PS4 heavily as well. Tamoor especially is as bad as some of the cows on this forum.

The thing that people on this forum dont actually seem to realize since most people here dont actually read anything on this site besides the forum, is GS jumped the shark a long time ago and they definitely have bias this gen favoring Sony since they are in the lead.

Thats basically what Danny was talking about in his solo op-ed after he left.

This site is mostly a clickbait factory now. Real gaming discussion rarely happens in the features anymore.

Well said, I've noticed Gamespot's trend to low-ball Xbox related games for quite some time.. You can typically look at the metascore and predict that if a game has about an 80% on Metacritic, it will get a 7/10 on Gamespot if it's Xbox related and it will get a 9/10 on Gamespot if it's PlayStation related..

This effectively feeds into the general impression that all Xbox games are flopping and all PlayStation games are exceeding expectations when, in reality, many of those games are in the same ballpark.. I'm not trying to put on the "tin foil hat" here but the evidence is right there in front of us.. and like you said, more-so now than ever, these review scores seem to be more personal and subjective than ever.. these reviewers seem to want to put their personal stamp on everything and are treating these reviews like personal blogs rather than objective references of quality..

As such, we as gamers, need to really start reading these reviews instead of skimming them, looking at the final review score, and blindly proclaiming "flop" or not.. that's what I've started to do anyway, more-so now than I've ever done in the past.. As a result of this current trend, I feel a lot of people on this forum may have skipped out on a great 84% metacritic game like Gears of War 4 that has a total package of an interesting and solid single player campaign coupled with stellar and lasting multiplayer simply because one person at Gamespot lowballed it with a 7/10 bolstered with a healthy dose of "The Coalition sucks" hyperbole when, in fact, the game is great in just about every category.. /rant

@Antwan3K:Agreed. Dude go google the Gears 4 hype thread. I called the score on the dot as well as who would review it. Mahardy, the previous year when he gave Gears Ultimate a 7/10, on the lobby he said "the Gears gameplay loop doesnt excite me anymore". So what do you do as a gaming site? Give him the next Gears to review? That would be like asking me to review Persona games after I have very openly said they bore me to tears.

@Antwan3K: Thats what I mean by them having bias. If all you want is clicks you do what the partisan cable news channels do and favor one side over the other. you still cover both but you slant in favor of the bigger demographic. Its no coincidence that most of the Xbox articles on this site are Eddie clickbait articles.

It'll really be telling if Scorpio comes out, is a big hit and the GS slant starts leaning in the other direction.

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Of course it's a flop. It got a 6.

That being said I really liked the game. Yeah, it was repetitive as hell but if it's something fun that gets repeated I don't really mind. And slaying people was fun and very challenging, too, on the hardest difficulty. I also spent a surprising amount of time with the multiplayer. I'm not really a multiplayer guy but this one had me coming back for a few weeks at least.

LOL actually it got a 4/10. Its 60/100 on metacritic but Gamespot has a tendency to low ball Xbox games in comparison to their meta average.

You get the one with some style.

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Take it easy Grandpa...take your blood pressure pills...lol. I like racing games, what console it's on or if it's on PC doesn't make a difference to me. I have my pro's and con's with Microsoft, Sony, & Nintendo; along with PC. The last Forza game, Horizon III has the been one of the best racing games I've played in a while, it's fun. I haven't found the last GT to be that much fun, and I thought 5 was decent...

I liked it when it first came out. But I tried playing it the other day, and I realized why it got a low score. It was pretty to look at, but the combat sucked. Maybe I liked it more when the STARZ show "Spartacus" was going on...

By GS rules (old school rules, which I adhere to) it was definitely a "flop". Some flop games I liked, though - Too Human comes to mind.

Quantum Break didn't have low scores... it scored well. And I didn't know that "low sales" instantly meant a game was classed as a "flop". Good to know...

Not to mention, sales for Quantum Break haven't been announced, other than it "exceeding expectations".

http://store.steampowered.com/app/474960/Quantum_Break/ 86 per cent of reviews are positive.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/474960/Quantum_Break/#app_reviews_hash reviews are posted here.

Yep... but I'm sure he'll twist this around somehow. "Bu bu but it didn't sell well,so it's a flop". Lol. Please.

and

1. Positive: 77 out of 106
2. Mixed: 25 out of 106
3. Negative:4 out of 106

Like i said before gamer's on Steam have no agenda, they likely don't care about Playstation and xbox one console war's. They play the game they like it or they don't.

I agree, it is a flop.

But people are still free to enjoy what the game did right :)

and it's a million times better than what that Kinect Ryse would've been.

Yep, exactly.

TF wasn't a flop.

it's pretty bad but was a good tech demo.

It was iirc the flagship title for the release of Xbox One...yeah, it was a shocking flop.

Above all else, it essentially sealed the fate of Crytek, who when signing that deal with the devil started getting high off their own farts and stopped making good games and started making good marketing. Then they just started lying, overspending, and being idiots.

With that said, I played it a few years after it came out and, as with most flops/extremely hated games, it is not that bad. I'm playing through Homefront: The Revolution right now, for example, and I'm finding it pretty fun, too, and that game was panned as well.

"You don't share my same bias, therefore your opinion/argument is ignored by me"

It's like a manchild covering his ears and going "get that science away from my god!!!"

You said something genuinely ignorant.

http://www.cgmagonline.com/2016/10/21/poor-sales-continue-quantum-break-hits-steam/

https://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/691088-xbox-one/73609322

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/quantum-break-sold-really-well-beat-microsofts-exp/1100-6443009/

"Quantum Break sold really well; it exceeded what we expected it to do," he said when discussing what Remedy might make next with Windows Central. "We were really pleased with how Quantum Break did. But just like every movie, not every game needs a sequel, sometimes it's okay."

lol

https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welcome/?toURL=https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/05/06/ea-net-revenue-down-releases-no-titanfall-sales-numbers/&refURL=https://www.google.com/&referrer=https://www.google.com/

Why do you think the second game was multiplatform?

EA said it exceeded expectations, and mcirosoft said it did better than expected: http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2014-06-13-amid-rumours-of-titanfall-2-for-ps4-ea-and-respawn-reflect-on-launch

AND Tf1 beat TF2's UK launch: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1304003

The reason why TF2 was multiplat was because of the success of the first game and the Microsoft deal being temporary (and sudden according respawn who also praised the first games sales)

@tigerdragon: Don't waste your time dude... its not worth it. I know I can't be bothered anymore. If he wants to think they're all flops, whatevs.

Not only was it not a flop, but even today it is still the best looking game on console.

I'd say its closer to Knack than anything. Knack sold quite a bit more though.

Nah, closer to The Order. Though I wasn't aware that Knack sold more than The Order.

54: Knack

63: The Order

60: Ryse

as a game or a tech demo?

I never played it....

Scorewise you're absolutely right. I wouldn't touch any of those games either way. Way too many quality titles out there.

I liked Ryse and I liked The Order. I like The Order more than Ryse.

Honestly between the two, Ryse looks more appealing to me. As far as The Order and Knack go I would totally play them as a ps+ game but I don't think i'll be spending money on either directly anytime soon.

it flopped about as much as Knack and Order 1886 so yeah it flopped,hard

Knack was heavily bundled that's why it sold more than the order.

Ny SW standards, yep. I Believe it was touted AAA or AA here. Scored below that (again, SW and Gamespot definitions). I've never played it, so I can't comment personally.

What a sad bundle it was. Not like there was much better at the time but still

Killzone arguably.

True Killzone wasn't great but it was solid. Unlike battlefield 4 the multiplayer actually worked.