Is SFIV a... button masher?

Fighting games always have one fault that is pointed out by nearly any hater-- you can beat even the best of players even simply by pressing the buttons as quickly and as many times as possible.

The only fighter I have ever owned was Tekken 5. Sure, it's a great game, but I've been beat by people who simply button mash.

I was interested in picking up SFIV (or alternatively, Killzone 2), but I am not sure if I should put down $60-$70 for a fighter that may be just a button masher. Also, I'm not a pro at fighters so my question is, is it easy to do those really cool looking moves that signatures the SF series? I am wondering if it's as technical as Tekken or if it's a lot more accessible.

Maybe I'm not really a fighter fan and I am trying to force myself to like the genre. I mean, my favorite fighter is Power Stone 2 but even I know that that's not a fighter as much as it a very fun party brawler.

While we are at it, I thought I'd include a poll.

Button mash all you want in a noob fight but a skilled played will destroy you if you try it against them,Ibacai

I expected that to be true. I personally found it difficult to do moves in Tekken 5.. is it easier in this game?

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]Button mash all you want in a noob fight but a skilled played will destroy you if you try it against them,Alpha-Male22

I expected that to be true. I personally found it difficult to do moves in Tekken 5.. is it easier in this game?

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]Button mash all you want in a noob fight but a skilled played will destroy you if you try it against them,Alpha-Male22

I expected that to be true. I personally found it difficult to do moves in Tekken 5.. is it easier in this game?

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]Button mash all you want in a noob fight but a skilled played will destroy you if you try it against them,Tylendal

I expected that to be true. I personally found it difficult to do moves in Tekken 5.. is it easier in this game?

Not at all.

All fighters are thats why it takes little to no skill to be good at.millerlight89

You have no idea what your talking about.

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]Button mash all you want in a noob fight but a skilled played will destroy you if you try it against them,Tylendal

I expected that to be true. I personally found it difficult to do moves in Tekken 5.. is it easier in this game?

DOA is very mashable. The only non-mashable fighting series in my experience are Street Fighter and Tekken...SSB has its moments as well, but I dont classify it in the same genre as SF & tekken exactly

I remember playing the GBA SF. I didn't know the controls and ended up button mashing. Took a long time to beat Bison in the end. I actually killed him using Chun Li's Super Finisher. I don't know know how the hell I did it, but I did.

I'm guessing that SF IV will probably decimate you if you button mash.

Not at all.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]All fighters are thats why it takes little to no skill to be good at.web966

You have no idea what your talking about.

[QUOTE="web966"]

Not at all.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]All fighters are thats why it takes little to no skill to be good at.millerlight89

You have no idea what your talking about.

Your post is completely untrue. If you button mash against a skilled player you will loose, trust me Ive learned the hard way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU5foP9BCjc&feature=related

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[QUOTE="millerlight89"][QUOTE="web966"]

You have no idea what your talking about.

web966

Your post is completely untrue. If you button mash against a skilled player you will loose, trust me Ive learned the hard way.

[QUOTE="web966"][QUOTE="millerlight89"] I know what I am talking about buddy trust me.millerlight89

Your post is completely untrue. If you button mash against a skilled player you will loose, trust me Ive learned the hard way.

obviously you have never played anyone who knows how to block.

What is it about Soul Calibur that makes it more mash-friendly?

I agree with those that say it is, I'm just not sure why it is exactly.

But the only fighter that's truly resistant to button-mash syndrome is SSB.

What is it about Soul Calibur that makes it more mash-friendly?

I agree with those that say it is, I'm just not sure why it is exactly.

But the only fighter that's truly resistant to button-mash syndrome is SSB.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

SCIV discurages lots of blocking which can lead to an unusual advantage for mashers.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

What is it about Soul Calibur that makes it more mash-friendly?

I agree with those that say it is, I'm just not sure why it is exactly.

But the only fighter that's truly resistant to button-mash syndrome is SSB.

Guybrush_3

SCIV discurages lots of blocking which can lead to an unusual advantage for mashers.

That's certainly true. Being a defensive player in SCIV is damn near impossible. :x

[QUOTE="Guybrush_3"][QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"]

What is it about Soul Calibur that makes it more mash-friendly?

I agree with those that say it is, I'm just not sure why it is exactly.

But the only fighter that's truly resistant to button-mash syndrome is SSB.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

SCIV discurages lots of blocking which can lead to an unusual advantage for mashers.

That's certainly true. Being a defensive player in SCIV is damn near impossible. :x

which sucks because the best way to beat a button masher is to block, wait for an easy opening, then punish.

TC, apparently you never learned the fundamentals of a 2D fighter Vs. a Mutton Mashing 3D fighter.

This entire thread fails because you can't button mash in a 2D fighter and get wins like you could in a 3D fighter.

which sucks because the best way to beat a button masher is to block, wait for an easy opening, then punish. Guybrush_3

Or just mash better. Like with Kilik. :P

That bugs me though, 'cause I'm always a defensive player and my bro's always an aggressive player. The only fighter he can consistently beat me at is SCIV.

What is it about Soul Calibur that makes it more mash-friendly?

I agree with those that say it is, I'm just not sure why it is exactly.

But the only fighter that's truly resistant to button-mash syndrome is SSB.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

What are you talking about SSB is more a button masher than SF.

At least in SF, you have to perform a move to execute an uppercut, or a fireball. In SSB, it's all been assigned to a button, making it more of a button masher than SF

Now, I don't think SSB is a button masher, but when comparing TRULY RESISTANT button mashing, obviously SF pwns that.

SSB is a simplified SF with items thrown if for fun.

What are you talking about SSB is more a button masher than SF.

At least in SF, you have to perform a move to execute an uppercut, or a fireball. In SSB, it's all been assigned to a button, making it more of a button masher than SF

Now, I don't think SSB is a button masher, but when comparing TRULY RESISTANT button mashing, obviously SF pwns that.

SSB is a simplified SF with items thrown if for fun.

SolidTy

More diffcult controls encourage mashing.

The reason you mash is to stumble upon powerful moves. Because you know the controls for every move in SSB, there's no reason to mash. Spam yes, but not mash.

[QUOTE="SolidTy"]What are you talking about SSB is more a button masher than SF.

At least in SF, you have to perform a move to execute an uppercut, or a fireball. In SSB, it's all been assigned to a button, making it more of a button masher than SF

Now, I don't think SSB is a button masher, but when comparing TRULY RESISTANT button mashing, obviously SF pwns that.

SSB is a simplified SF with items thrown if for fun.

Tsug_Ze_Wind

More diffcult controls encourage mashing.

The reason you mash is to stumble upon powerful moves. Because you know the controls for every move in SSB, there's no reason to mash. Spam yes, but not mash.

Well, I have seen enough mashing on SSB just from the Gamestop Tourney and Comic Convention tourneys I've been too...of course, experts easily beat those button mashing noobs, but in their little clique, those noobs are the good SSB players, even though to us, they are noobs.

In SF, that just won't work.

In Tekken, Soul Calibur, DOA, and even VF with the right character it would work, because the nature of 3D fighters is about getting close and combos. Eddie Gordo is a great noob character for mashing, for instance.

The TC doesn't understand the differences between 2D and 3D.

When talking about Truly Resistant, SF would be top. There is no Spamming, because they can't perform moves, or at best, sporadically perform moves. Mashing wouldn't work, at all.

Well, I have seen enough mashing on SSB just from the Gamestop Tourney and Comic Convention tourneys I've been too...of course, experts easily beat those button mashing noobs, but in their little clique, those noobs are the good SSB players, even though to us, they are noobs.

In SF, that just won't work.

In Tekken, Soul Calibur, DOA, and even VF with the right character it would work, because the nature of 3D fighters is about getting close and combos. Eddie Gordo is a great noob character for mashing, for instance.

The TC doesn't understand the differences between 2D and 3D.

When talking about Truly Resistant, SF would be top. There is no Spamming, because they can't perform moves, or at best, sporadically perform moves. Mashing wouldn't work, at all.

SolidTy

I suppose I don't know enough about SF to claim that's it's worse than SSB in that regard. All I know is that mashing in SSB is impossible.

I've never seen anyone mash in SSB, even when playing online. There's plenty of spammers, but they're easily beaten by anyone who can grasp the concept of shield grabbing, spacing, or projectiles.

In my experience the only true button masher out of the serious fighters I have played is the Soul Calibur games, thats why I gave up on them. Because why spend time honing my skill with it when someone can just button mash to win.

The DOA games somehow have this bad rep I don't understand, to the point where they are scoffed at in the genre. I have been playing DOA 2 Ultimate for a long time and im certain that it both requires and rewards practice and skill.

I never felt that with Soul Calibur games. It offered a lot in terms of stuff to do, but that was really it. I still enjoyed it as a pick up an play fighter.

Somehow Soul Calibur games are considered amongst the top fighters which I have never understood. I'm not trying to give extra credit to DOA, rather I question Soul Caliburs.

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]What are you talking about SSB is more a button masher than SF.

At least in SF, you have to perform a move to execute an uppercut, or a fireball. In SSB, it's all been assigned to a button, making it more of a button masher than SF

Now, I don't think SSB is a button masher, but when comparing TRULY RESISTANT button mashing, obviously SF pwns that.

SSB is a simplified SF with items thrown if for fun.

SolidTy

More diffcult controls encourage mashing.

The reason you mash is to stumble upon powerful moves. Because you know the controls for every move in SSB, there's no reason to mash. Spam yes, but not mash.

Well, I have seen enough mashing on SSB just from the Gamestop Tourney and Comic Convention tourneys I've been too...of course, experts easily beat those button mashing noobs, but in their little clique, those noobs are the good SSB players, even though to us, they are noobs.

In SF, that just won't work.

In Tekken, Soul Calibur, DOA, and even VF with the right character it would work, because the nature of 3D fighters is about getting close and combos. Eddie Gordo is a great noob character for mashing, for instance.

The TC doesn't understand the differences between 2D and 3D.

When talking about Truly Resistant, SF would be top. There is no Spamming, because they can't perform moves, or at best, sporadically perform moves. Mashing wouldn't work, at all.

You're differentiating between fighters with canned string type combos vs things like Streetfighter which involves cancelling to pull off combos. This has nothing to do with being 2D or 3D. MK for example has canned combos and that's 2D.

The reason people think button mashing is a valid technique is because to some people, being able to pull off all the specials makes them think they're a 'good' player and shouldn't lose to a button masher. This is not the case, I reckon someone busting out specials left right and centre regardless will lose to a button masher more often than not. Mashing buttons throws out a lot of lower risk moves with quick start up, throwing a flaming dragon punch at every opportunity will leave you wide open to punishment.

I think of it as 3 types of player;

1. Button Masher

2. Learnt the specials

3. Actually understands how the game works

You need to progress to stage 3 before you can consistently beat the masher imo, which, a lot of people don't do.

Just because players do the same moves with Ryu or Ken all the time doesn't make it a button masher at all. Some players learn and block the dragon punch or fireballs. If you do that against skilled players they will beat you. Skilled players will counter that with there own dragon punch if they block it. I have played a few people online that have been virtually impossible to beat.

You're differentiating between fighters with canned string type combos vs things like Streetfighter which involves cancelling to pull off combos. This has nothing to do with being 2D or 3D. MK for example has canned combos and that's 2D.

The reason people think button mashing is a valid technique is because to some people, being able to pull off all the specials makes them think they're a 'good' player and shouldn't lose to a button masher. This is not the case, I reckon someone busting out specials left right and centre regardless will lose to a button masher more often than not. Mashing buttons throws out a lot of lower risk moves with quick start up, throwing a flaming dragon punch at every opportunity will leave you wide open to punishment.

I think of it as 3 types of player;

1. Button Masher

2. Learnt the specials

3. Actually understands how the game works

You need to progress to stage 3 before you can consistently beat the masher imo, which, a lot of people don't do.

speedsix

Not at all.

[QUOTE="millerlight89"]All fighters are thats why it takes little to no skill to be good at.web966

You have no idea what your talking about.

QFT

The reason why Soul Calibur is more appropriate for button mashing is because the game has single button combos. Also there are a lot more special moves in Soul Calibur so random combination of buttons are more likely to come out as special moves.

But really you can button mash in any fighting game. The only one you can't is Virtua Fighter. In VF, you have to know what to do from the start. If you button mash, your character just ends up doing nothing.

All fighters are thats why it takes little to no skill to be good at.millerlight89

refer to my comment in the other SF4/TEKKEN hate thread on the first pageTekkenloving

They should have a button-masher mode where the computer simulates a button masher and people can practice against this type of lame gameplay.

I think that would be fun

They should have a button-masher mode where the computer simulates a button masher and people can practice against this type of lame gameplay.

I think that would be fun

flazzle

They should have a button-masher mode where the computer simulates a button masher and people can practice against this type of lame gameplay.

I think that would be fun

[QUOTE="Alpha-Male22"]

[QUOTE="Ibacai"]Button mash all you want in a noob fight but a skilled played will destroy you if you try it against them,Tylendal

I expected that to be true. I personally found it difficult to do moves in Tekken 5.. is it easier in this game?

[QUOTE="Tsug_Ze_Wind"][QUOTE="SolidTy"]What are you talking about SSB is more a button masher than SF.

At least in SF, you have to perform a move to execute an uppercut, or a fireball. In SSB, it's all been assigned to a button, making it more of a button masher than SF

Now, I don't think SSB is a button masher, but when comparing TRULY RESISTANT button mashing, obviously SF pwns that.

SSB is a simplified SF with items thrown if for fun.

SolidTy

More diffcult controls encourage mashing.

The reason you mash is to stumble upon powerful moves. Because you know the controls for every move in SSB, there's no reason to mash. Spam yes, but not mash.

Well, I have seen enough mashing on SSB just from the Gamestop Tourney and Comic Convention tourneys I've been too...of course, experts easily beat those button mashing noobs, but in their little clique, those noobs are the good SSB players, even though to us, they are noobs.

In SF, that just won't work.

In Tekken, Soul Calibur, DOA, and even VF with the right character it would work, because the nature of 3D fighters is about getting close and combos. Eddie Gordo is a great noob character for mashing, for instance.

The TC doesn't understand the differences between 2D and 3D.

When talking about Truly Resistant, SF would be top. There is no Spamming, because they can't perform moves, or at best, sporadically perform moves. Mashing wouldn't work, at all.

What does 2D and 3D have to do with button mashing?

Also, that's why I have the third option in the poll, so I don't understand why this thread "Fails". I'm not making certain claims, I am asking questions I am not certain of.