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#1 RJay123
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The only thing Nintendo is good at is selling their console, but they can't get 3rd parties to make decent games for the Wii. From what I could tell, third party PS3 games sell better overall than 3rd party Wii titles. Sure there are some exceptions (such as Tiger Woods Wii), but overall this looks to be the case.

Take Madden 10 for example, they can't sell this title on the Wii because it's dumbed down with less features and touches that used to make the Madden series great (no rain in Wii version? lol).

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The only thing Nintendo is good at is selling their console, but they can't get 3rd parties to make decent games for the Wii. From what I could tell, third party PS3 games sell better overall than 3rd party Wii titles. Sure there are some exceptions (such as Tiger Woods Wii), but overall this looks to be the case.

Take Madden 10 for example, they can't sell this title on the Wii because it's dumbed down with less features and touches that used to make the Madden series great (no rain in Wii version? lol).

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Sony is last. Nintendo is first. Nintendo sells more third party units than Sony does. Is that all?

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The only thing Nintendo is good at is selling their console, but they can't get 3rd parties to make decent games for the Wii. From what I could tell, third party PS3 games sell better overall than 3rd party Wii titles. Sure there are some exceptions (such as Tiger Woods Wii), but overall this looks to be the case.

Take Madden 10 for example, they can't sell this title on the Wii because it's dumbed down with less features and touches that used to make the Madden series great (no rain in Wii version? lol).

ActicEdge

Sony is last. Nintendo is first. Nintendo sells more third party units than Sony does. Is that all?

Evidence?

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#4 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="RJay123"]

The only thing Nintendo is good at is selling their console, but they can't get 3rd parties to make decent games for the Wii. From what I could tell, third party PS3 games sell better overall than 3rd party Wii titles. Sure there are some exceptions (such as Tiger Woods Wii), but overall this looks to be the case.

Take Madden 10 for example, they can't sell this title on the Wii because it's dumbed down with less features and touches that used to make the Madden series great (no rain in Wii version? lol).

RJay123

Sony is last. Nintendo is first. Nintendo sells more third party units than Sony does. Is that all?

Evidence?

What evidence do u need? The actual ewvidence I can give you stems from NA only. I don't really feel the need to compare NA to Japan since it completely destroys it in units sold. Europe is unknown. One sec, let me get my chart.

In the Unites States, ever since the launch of Wii, overseas software publishers have actively been developing their Wii software. There are several million seller titles from the third parties. NPD data has made clear that, in the calendar year of 2008, Wii was the hardware on which the biggest number of third party software were sold in the U.S.

Even then, why shouldfirst party games not count?

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Nintendo has a High Console sale rate because of Wiisports and Wii Fit and the Mario and the like

Sony is last because 360 users Xbox 360s are breaking. I once saw a guy have 4 Xbox 360s and he said that 3 of them were broke and he was going to get another one. plus there's the Arcade which is $199.

The PS3s don't break as commonly as the 360s BUT from experience I have had with the PS3 says that the PS3 loves to be plugged in to a HDTV with the HDMI cord.

And since the PS3's price drop came THIS year and not 3 or 2 years ago that puts a dent in Sony and since there is a lot of Multiplat games for both PS3 and 360 looks like the 360 wins because a lot of people bought it for being Cheaper at the time. Now it's pretty much the same but you know....it's just sales figures...

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#6 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="RJay123"]

The only thing Nintendo is good at is selling their console, but they can't get 3rd parties to make decent games for the Wii. From what I could tell, third party PS3 games sell better overall than 3rd party Wii titles. Sure there are some exceptions (such as Tiger Woods Wii), but overall this looks to be the case.

Take Madden 10 for example, they can't sell this title on the Wii because it's dumbed down with less features and touches that used to make the Madden series great (no rain in Wii version? lol).

ActicEdge

Sony is last. Nintendo is first. Nintendo sells more third party units than Sony does. Is that all?

so a console is the worst just because another console sells more? you seem to be forgetting that the wii and nintendo aim for a much bigger audiency but leave the hardcore fans alone. its logical that a bunch of adorable-future einsteins-2 years old kid will want a wii, and its obvious that a console that is able to call the attention of none gamers is going to be a god in sales

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#7 RJay123
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The thing is....Sony never lost it's audience.

Nintendo's audience is like someone said, the Wii Fit crowd who will only buy 1 or 2 games.

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Wow stop trying to spin this. PS3 is dead last in everything, yes even games....

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The only thing Nintendo is good at is selling their consoleRJay123

And being an excellent first-party developer.

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Nintendo has a High Console sale rate because of Wiisports and Wii Fit and the Mario and the like

Sony is last because 360 users Xbox 360s are breaking. I once saw a guy have 4 Xbox 360s and he said that 3 of them were broke and he was going to get another one. plus there's the Arcade which is $199.

The PS3s don't break as commonly as the 360s BUT from experience I have had with the PS3 says that the PS3 loves to be plugged in to a HDTV with the HDMI cord.

And since the PS3's price drop came THIS year and not 3 or 2 years ago that puts a dent in Sony and since there is a lot of Multiplat games for both PS3 and 360 looks like the 360 wins because a lot of people bought it for being Cheaper at the time. Now it's pretty much the same but you know....it's just sales figures...

You do realize that sending your xbox in for repair does not add another sale onto the 360 list right?
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

Nintendo has a High Console sale rate because of Wiisports and Wii Fit and the Mario and the like

Sony is last because 360 users Xbox 360s are breaking. I once saw a guy have 4 Xbox 360s and he said that 3 of them were broke and he was going to get another one. plus there's the Arcade which is $199.

The PS3s don't break as commonly as the 360s BUT from experience I have had with the PS3 says that the PS3 loves to be plugged in to a HDTV with the HDMI cord.

And since the PS3's price drop came THIS year and not 3 or 2 years ago that puts a dent in Sony and since there is a lot of Multiplat games for both PS3 and 360 looks like the 360 wins because a lot of people bought it for being Cheaper at the time. Now it's pretty much the same but you know....it's just sales figures...

gamer620

You do realize that sending your xbox in for repair does not add another sale onto the 360 list right?

why yes, but how many people do that? I'm sure those people that had their 360s before the 3 Year extension warranty would want another 360 now.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Sony is last. Nintendo is first. Nintendo sells more third party units than Sony does. Is that all?

ActicEdge

so a console is the worst just because another console sells more?you seem to be forgetting that the wii and nintendo aim for a much bigger audiency but leave the hardcore fans alone.its logical that a bunch of brainless 2 years old kid will want a wii,and its obvious that a console that is able to call the attention of none gamers is going to be a god in sales

I didn't say that. I don't know why you cows keep assuming people think this. You're the only group that brings this up despite no one ever implying it. I wonder why?

Does that hold any relevance to anything? I'm not arguing with you on demographic, that's a waste of time.

Wow, so insulting. 2 year old are not stupid, brainless or dumb, I'm offended someone with the capacity to type on a forum would insult someone who has yet to fully develop. Do you think you're cool or something?

So the Wii is essentially the PS2?

so if you are not talking about sales, I dont know how the wii is first and PS3 is last...not even a hardcore and crazy sheep will say that the wii wins in front of the PS3 in something besides sales. and by "brainless 2 years old" I mean the kind of kids who say "OMG ITS NINTENDO ITS MARIO I CAN MOVE MY HAND TO PLAY! OMG LOOK AT THAT GAME COVER, I DONT KNOW WHAT THE GAME IS, BUT IT HAS A CHICKEN AND A SIGHT IN THE COVER IT MUST BE GREAT! MOM BUY ME THIS GAME OR I CRY"- "anything you want darling" "OMG THIS GAME IS SO COOL, WII IS TEH BEST THERE IS NOTHING BESIDES THE WII AND NINTENDO ^^"

oh and, PS2 didn't called the attention of non gamers...it called the attention of every fricking gamer and people who never had a console or who were new to electronic entertainment.

with "non gamers" Im talking about old people, stressed mothers, you know, all the people who dont give a damm about videogames.

the PS2 crowd were people who liked videogames...I have never seen a grandpa playing with a PS2...but I have seen a bullload of grandparents playing with a wii

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Here come the sheeeeep run for your lives! But seriously in a gamers eye Nintendo is dead last .... they're not getting the third party support everyone thought they would once the Wii was selling ridiculously good ...

It goes ...

  1. PC
  2. XBOX 360
  3. PS3
  4. Wii

But after 2010 it'll be more so ...

  1. PC
  2. PS3
  3. XBOX 360
  4. Wii
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why yes, but how many people do that? I'm sure those people that had their 360s before the 3 Year extension warranty would want another 360 now.

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I did when my 360 broke down, almost everyone I know with a 360 that broke down did.
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why yes, but how many people do that? I'm sure those people that had their 360s before the 3 Year extension warranty would want another 360 now.

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No. I have zero desire to buy another 360, and mine is a launch unit.
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so a console is the worst just because another console sells more? you seem to be forgetting that the wii and nintendo aim for a much bigger audiency but leave the hardcore fans alone. its logical that a bunch of brainless 2 years old kid will want a wii, and its obvious that a console that is able to call the attention of none gamers is going to be a god in saleslightleggy

Wtf is a hardcore fan? And why are you making fun of two year olds? Not cool man, not cool.

I'll tell you a little secret: Sony doesn't care about the supposed hardcore fans. They would give anything to be in Nintendo's position right now, no matter how they are seen by the "hardcore" community.

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#18 LegatoSkyheart
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

why yes, but how many people do that? I'm sure those people that had their 360s before the 3 Year extension warranty would want another 360 now.

ZookGuy

I did when my 360 broke down, almost everyone I know with a 360 that broke down did.

That's Awesome.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"]so a console is the worst just because another console sells more? you seem to be forgetting that the wii and nintendo aim for a much bigger audiency but leave the hardcore fans alone. its logical that a bunch of brainless 2 years old kid will want a wii, and its obvious that a console that is able to call the attention of none gamers is going to be a god in salesshoryuken_

Wtf is a hardcore fan? And why are you making fun of two year olds? Not cool man, not cool.

I'll tell you a little secret: Sony doesn't care about the supposed hardcore fans. They would give anything to be in Nintendo's position right now, no matter how they are seen by the "hardcore" community.

lol ok sorry for "making fun about 2 years old" I didnt explained myself good enough, I will edit it
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so if you are not talking about sales, I dont know how the wii is first and PS3 is last...not even a hardcore and crazy sheep will say that the wii wins in front of the PS3 in something besides sales. and by "brainless 2 years old" I mean the kind of kids who say "OMG ITS NINTENDO ITS MARIO I CAN MOVE MY HAND TO PLAY! OMG LOOK AT THAT GAME COVER, I DONT KNOW WHAT THE GAME IS, BUT IT HAS A CHICKEN AND A SIGHT IN THE COVER IT MUST BE GREAT! MOM BUY ME THIS GAME OR I CRY"- "anything you want darling" "OMG THIS GAME IS SO COOL, WII IS TEH BEST THERE IS NOTHING BESIDES THE WII AND NINTENDO ^^"

oh and, PS2 didn't called the attention of non gamers...it called the attention of every fricking gamer and people who never had a console or who were new to electronic entertainment.

with "non gamers" Im talking about old people, stressed mothers, you know, all the people who dont give a damm about videogames.

the PS2 crowd were people who liked videogames...I have never seen a grandpa playing with a PS2...but I have seen a bullload of grandparents playing with a wii

lightleggy

Way to stereotype Wii owners..

Does it offend you that former non-gamers are intruding on your hobby? If they didn't like playing videogames, why would they be purchasing consoles for themselves?

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Here come the sheeeeep run for your lives! But seriously in a gamers eye Nintendo is dead last .... they're not getting the third party support everyone thought they would once the Wii was selling ridiculously good ...

It goes ...

  1. PC
  2. XBOX 360
  3. PS3
  4. Wii

But after 2010 it'll be more so ...

  1. PC
  2. PS3
  3. XBOX 360
  4. Wii

W1NGMAN-

If I didn't think discussing things with you never accomplished anything on both of us I'd respond. Hell, I'll do it anyway.

Why do gamers care if Nintendo is last? Don't we care about enjoyment and good games? Well, some of us who aren't blatant fanboys do anyway, so SW isn't the best place to look I suppose.

I don't know what gave you or anyone elsethat idea but after the consistent flow of articles where devs publically hated on the system I thout it was obvious it wouldn't. Maybe I'm too logical for this though.

Of course, I'm just a sheep, what do I know right?

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so if you are not talking about sales, I dont know how the wii is first and PS3 is last...not even a hardcore and crazy sheep will say that the wii wins in front of the PS3 in something besides sales. and by "brainless 2 years old" I mean the kind of kids who say "OMG ITS NINTENDO ITS MARIO I CAN MOVE MY HAND TO PLAY! OMG LOOK AT THAT GAME COVER, I DONT KNOW WHAT THE GAME IS, BUT IT HAS A CHICKEN AND A SIGHT IN THE COVER IT MUST BE GREAT! MOM BUY ME THIS GAME OR I CRY"- "anything you want darling" "OMG THIS GAME IS SO COOL, WII IS TEH BEST THERE IS NOTHING BESIDES THE WII AND NINTENDO ^^"

oh and, PS2 didn't called the attention of non gamers...it called the attention of every fricking gamer and people who never had a console or who were new to electronic entertainment.

with "non gamers" Im talking about old people, stressed mothers, you know, all the people who dont give a damm about videogames.

the PS2 crowd were people who liked videogames...I have never seen a grandpa playing with a PS2...but I have seen a bullload of grandparents playing with a wii

shoryuken_

Way to stereotype Wii owners..

Does it offend you that former non-gamers are intruding on your hobby? If they didn't like playing videogames, why would they be purchasing consoles for themselves?

no it doesnt offend me anyway. but if you would at least try to see my point here. its obvious that the wii will always top sales charts because it targets to a much larger audiency which are the non-hardcore gamers and the non gamers
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] so a console is the worst just because another console sells more?you seem to be forgetting that the wii and nintendo aim for a much bigger audiency but leave the hardcore fans alone.its logical that a bunch of brainless 2 years old kid will want a wii,and its obvious that a console that is able to call the attention of none gamers is going to be a god in saleslightleggy

I didn't say that. I don't know why you cows keep assuming people think this. You're the only group that brings this up despite no one ever implying it. I wonder why?

Does that hold any relevance to anything? I'm not arguing with you on demographic, that's a waste of time.

Wow, so insulting. 2 year old are not stupid, brainless or dumb, I'm offended someone with the capacity to type on a forum would insult someone who has yet to fully develop. Do you think you're cool or something?

So the Wii is essentially the PS2?

so if you are not talking about sales, I dont know how the wii is first and PS3 is last...not even a hardcore and crazy sheep will say that the wii wins in front of the PS3 in something besides sales. and by "brainless 2 years old" I mean the kind of kids who say "OMG ITS NINTENDO ITS MARIO I CAN MOVE MY HAND TO PLAY! OMG LOOK AT THAT GAME COVER, I DONT KNOW WHAT THE GAME IS, BUT IT HAS A CHICKEN AND A SIGHT IN THE COVER IT MUST BE GREAT! MOM BUY ME THIS GAME OR I CRY"- "anything you want darling" "OMG THIS GAME IS SO COOL, WII IS TEH BEST THERE IS NOTHING BESIDES THE WII AND NINTENDO ^^"

oh and, PS2 didn't called the attention of non gamers...it called the attention of every fricking gamer and people who never had a console or who were new to electronic entertainment.

with "non gamers" Im talking about old people, stressed mothers, you know, all the people who dont give a damm about videogames.

the PS2 crowd were people who liked videogames...I have never seen a grandpa playing with a PS2...but I have seen a bullload of grandparents playing with a wii

The opening was talking about sales, thus I talked about sales. That's all there is to discuss on that matter, not constant sales whining by last place fanboys.

Also, as much as I know its cool to be an elitest, not all kids want to play Demon Souls or Splinter cell or even SMG. That's there right. If shovelware was selling in droves to begin with you may have even had a point.

Many of the people with PS2s do not give a damn about gaming, don't kid yourself. You don't need to give a damn about gaming to be relevant to the industry. Get over yourself.

If you met all 140 million PS2s out there I might care for your opinion on the matter. I haven't seen a grand parent play the Wii. I know they are out there though.

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no it doesnt offend me anyway. but if you would at least try to see my point here. its obvious that the wii will always top sales charts because it targets to a much larger audiency which are the non-hardcore gamers and the non gamerslightleggy

Microsoft and Sony are attempting to tap into that market as we speak. Nintendo was smart and took the initiative to get the non-gamers' attention first and it's paying off big time for them. It's not like any foul play was involved. Nintendo just played their cards at the right time and place.

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I still love the Virtual Console and WiiWare system. Though I wish the System had a bigger upload and download rate so the Wii can get games like STreet Fighter HD Remix and MVC2.

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Here come the sheeeeep run for your lives! But seriously in a gamers eye Nintendo is dead last .... they're not getting the third party support everyone thought they would once the Wii was selling ridiculously good ...

It goes ...

  1. PC
  2. XBOX 360
  3. PS3
  4. Wii

But after 2010 it'll be more so ...

  1. PC
  2. PS3
  3. XBOX 360
  4. Wii

W1NGMAN-

Not all gamers feel that way.

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I still love the Virtual Console and WiiWare system. Though I wish the System had a bigger upload and download rate so the Wii can get games like STreet Fighter HD Remix and MVC2.

LegatoSkyheart
hey btw...does the wii shop finally shows you a PROPER PROGRESS BAR while downloading? or it still uses the ultra mega super stupid and unnecesary "progress bar" showing mario running picking coins and breaking bricks?
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hey btw...does the wii shop finally shows you a PROPER PROGRESS BAR while downloading? or it still uses the ultra mega super stupid and unnecesary "progress bar" showing mario running picking coins and breaking bricks? lightleggy

It's still Mario.

When it's Fire Flower Mario on the loading screen, you can fire fireballs.

It's freakin awesome.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"]hey btw...does the wii shop finally shows you a PROPER PROGRESS BAR while downloading? or it still uses the ultra mega super stupid and unnecesary "progress bar" showing mario running picking coins and breaking bricks? shoryuken_

It's still Mario.

When it's Fire Flower Mario on the loading screen, you can fire fireballs.

It's freakin awesome.

while it does help you to get distracted a bit from the loading screen waiting time...it does not help at all at the download to have mario running and taking coins nonstop instead of having an accurate progress bar showing you the exact % your download is at
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#30 LegatoSkyheart
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[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]hey btw...does the wii shop finally shows you a PROPER PROGRESS BAR while downloading? or it still uses the ultra mega super stupid and unnecesary "progress bar" showing mario running picking coins and breaking bricks? lightleggy

It's still Mario.

When it's Fire Flower Mario on the loading screen, you can fire fireballs.

It's freakin awesome.

while it does help you to get distracted a bit from the loading screen waiting time...it does not help at all at the download to have mario running and taking coins nonstop instead of having an accurate progress bar showing you the exact % your download is at

What more is there?

What more do you want to know?

when there are 3 boxes it's obviously not done.

when there are 2 boxes it's half way done

when there is 1 box it's almost done

when Mario keeps jumping up on one box it means the game is installing.

It's a bit more entertaining than watching a load bar just there saying

1% done......2% done......

3 hours left for downloading.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

It's still Mario.

When it's Fire Flower Mario on the loading screen, you can fire fireballs.

It's freakin awesome.

LegatoSkyheart

while it does help you to get distracted a bit from the loading screen waiting time...it does not help at all at the download to have mario running and taking coins nonstop instead of having an accurate progress bar showing you the exact % your download is at

What more is there?

What more do you want to know?

when there are 3 boxes it's obviously not done.

when there are 2 boxes it's half way done

when there is 1 box it's almost done

when Mario keeps jumping up on one box it means the game is installing.

It's a bit more entertaining than watching a load bar just there saying

1% done......2% done......

3 hours left for downloading.

but teh bar iz more hardcore! :roll:

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#32 lightleggy
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[QUOTE="lightleggy"][QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

It's still Mario.

When it's Fire Flower Mario on the loading screen, you can fire fireballs.

It's freakin awesome.

LegatoSkyheart

while it does help you to get distracted a bit from the loading screen waiting time...it does not help at all at the download to have mario running and taking coins nonstop instead of having an accurate progress bar showing you the exact % your download is at

What more is there?

What more do you want to know?

when there are 3 boxes it's obviously not done.

when there are 2 boxes it's half way done

when there is 1 box it's almost done

when Mario keeps jumping up on one box it means the game is installing.

It's a bit more entertaining than watching a load bar just there saying

1% done......2% done......

3 hours left for downloading.

so wait a second, you actually stare at the screen while you download something? dont you put the TV or go do something else? cuz I do, I turn the TV on, then after lets say 30 minutes I like to put the download to see how is it going just to check, I will definitly rather seeing a "30%" instead of mario running and 1 block broken, I dont know how long has it been since he broke the first brick, I dont how far he is to destroy the second block. Iwant a fricking accurate bar
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#33 jhcho2
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[QUOTE="RJay123"]

The only thing Nintendo is good at is selling their console, but they can't get 3rd parties to make decent games for the Wii. From what I could tell, third party PS3 games sell better overall than 3rd party Wii titles. Sure there are some exceptions (such as Tiger Woods Wii), but overall this looks to be the case.

Take Madden 10 for example, they can't sell this title on the Wii because it's dumbed down with less features and touches that used to make the Madden series great (no rain in Wii version? lol).

ActicEdge

Sony is last. Nintendo is first. Nintendo sells more third party units than Sony does. Is that all?

You mean like how Mad World, Conduit and Dead Space: Extraction practically sold less than 100k units the last time i checked?

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#34 JB730
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[QUOTE="RJay123"]

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

Sony is last. Nintendo is first. Nintendo sells more third party units than Sony does. Is that all?

ActicEdge

Evidence?

What evidence do u need? The actual ewvidence I can give you stems from NA only. I don't really feel the need to compare NA to Japan since it completely destroys it in units sold. Europe is unknown. One sec, let me get my chart.

In the Unites States, ever since the launch of Wii, overseas software publishers have actively been developing their Wii software. There are several million seller titles from the third parties. NPD data has made clear that, in the calendar year of 2008, Wii was the hardware on which the biggest number of third party software were sold in the U.S.

Even then, why shouldfirst party games not count?

burns slow

nintendo is first in the market while haters are still in denial, as usual

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so wait a second, you actually stare at the screen while you download something? dont you put the TV or go do something else? cuz I do, I turn the TV on, then after lets say 30 minutes I like to put the download to see how is it going just to check, I will definitly rather seeing a "30%" instead of mario running and 1 block broken, I dont know how long has it been since he broke the first brick, I dont how far he is to destroy the second block. Iwant a fricking accurate barlightleggy

By the end of the download, Mario has lost 100% of his brain cells from slamming his head into a concrete brick. Now that's accurate.

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#36 JB730
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[QUOTE="shoryuken_"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"]

so if you are not talking about sales, I dont know how the wii is first and PS3 is last...not even a hardcore and crazy sheep will say that the wii wins in front of the PS3 in something besides sales. and by "brainless 2 years old" I mean the kind of kids who say "OMG ITS NINTENDO ITS MARIO I CAN MOVE MY HAND TO PLAY! OMG LOOK AT THAT GAME COVER, I DONT KNOW WHAT THE GAME IS, BUT IT HAS A CHICKEN AND A SIGHT IN THE COVER IT MUST BE GREAT! MOM BUY ME THIS GAME OR I CRY"- "anything you want darling" "OMG THIS GAME IS SO COOL, WII IS TEH BEST THERE IS NOTHING BESIDES THE WII AND NINTENDO ^^"

oh and, PS2 didn't called the attention of non gamers...it called the attention of every fricking gamer and people who never had a console or who were new to electronic entertainment.

with "non gamers" Im talking about old people, stressed mothers, you know, all the people who dont give a damm about videogames.

the PS2 crowd were people who liked videogames...I have never seen a grandpa playing with a PS2...but I have seen a bullload of grandparents playing with a wii

lightleggy

Way to stereotype Wii owners..

Does it offend you that former non-gamers are intruding on your hobby? If they didn't like playing videogames, why would they be purchasing consoles for themselves?

no it doesnt offend me anyway. but if you would at least try to see my point here. its obvious that the wii will always top sales charts because it targets to a much larger audiency which are the non-hardcore gamers and the non gamers

so as a company, nintendo came into this generation of gaming with a far superior strategy than both sony and ms

thank you for making that nice and clear for everybody

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#37 W1NGMAN-
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[QUOTE="W1NGMAN-"]

Here come the sheeeeep run for your lives! But seriously in a gamers eye Nintendo is dead last .... they're not getting the third party support everyone thought they would once the Wii was selling ridiculously good ...

It goes ...

  1. PC
  2. XBOX 360
  3. PS3
  4. Wii

But after 2010 it'll be more so ...

  1. PC
  2. PS3
  3. XBOX 360
  4. Wii

ActicEdge

If I didn't think discussing things with you was a waste of time I might expand. Hell, I'll do it anyway.

Why do gamers care if Nintendo is last? Don't we care about enjoyment and good games? Well, some of us who aren't blatant fanboys do anyway, so SW isn't the best place to look I suppose.

I don't know what gave you or anyone elsethat idea but after the consistent flow of articles where devs publically hated on the system I thout it was obvious it wouldn't. Maybe I'm too logical for this though.

Of course, I'm just a sheep, what do I know right?

As a gamer and and owner of all systems I like to see all my systems do well .... sucks to see my Wii lagging sooo behind. Nintendo needs to step their game up.

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#38 jhcho2
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] while it does help you to get distracted a bit from the loading screen waiting time...it does not help at all at the download to have mario running and taking coins nonstop instead of having an accurate progress bar showing you the exact % your download is atlightleggy

What more is there?

What more do you want to know?

when there are 3 boxes it's obviously not done.

when there are 2 boxes it's half way done

when there is 1 box it's almost done

when Mario keeps jumping up on one box it means the game is installing.

It's a bit more entertaining than watching a load bar just there saying

1% done......2% done......

3 hours left for downloading.

so wait a second, you actually stare at the screen while you download something? dont you put the TV or go do something else? cuz I do, I turn the TV on, then after lets say 30 minutes I like to put the download to see how is it going just to check, I will definitly rather seeing a "30%" instead of mario running and 1 block broken, I dont know how long has it been since he broke the first brick, I dont how far he is to destroy the second block. Iwant a fricking accurate bar

Exactly what i was thinking. Nintendo is being gimmicky where it least deserves to be.

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so wait a second, you actually stare at the screen while you download something? dont you put the TV or go do something else? cuz I do, I turn the TV on, then after lets say 30 minutes I like to put the download to see how is it going just to check, I will definitly rather seeing a "30%" instead of mario running and 1 block broken, I dont know how long has it been since he broke the first brick, I dont how far he is to destroy the second block. Iwant a fricking accurate barlightleggy

Again, what more do you want to know when downloading a game?

All you should care about is whether or not it downloaded. I just put my opinion out there saying that Nintendo's "Download bar" is more entertaining than the other load bars.

I personally just look online or talk to my siblings or do something else when I download something but Nintendo Wii takes shorter time than the PS3.

and honestly if you saw your Download bar at 30% you would just turn the TV off again. just like you would see if only 1 box had downloaded.

What happens if the Download finished? Will you care how long it's been done? no you would start playing the game.

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#40 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="RJay123"]

The only thing Nintendo is good at is selling their console, but they can't get 3rd parties to make decent games for the Wii. From what I could tell, third party PS3 games sell better overall than 3rd party Wii titles. Sure there are some exceptions (such as Tiger Woods Wii), but overall this looks to be the case.

Take Madden 10 for example, they can't sell this title on the Wii because it's dumbed down with less features and touches that used to make the Madden series great (no rain in Wii version? lol).

jhcho2

Sony is last. Nintendo is first. Nintendo sells more third party units than Sony does. Is that all?

You mean like how Mad World, Conduit and Dead Space: Extraction practically sold less than 100k units the last time i checked?

Actually, Madworld and The Conduit are at about 300k. Extration is apparently at 60k or so. But even then, do you some how think only 3 games were released for the Wii by third parties? Also, do you honestly care if The Conduit sold less than 100k? I certainly don't, it was thoroughly mediocore.

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#41 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="LegatoSkyheart"]

[QUOTE="lightleggy"] while it does help you to get distracted a bit from the loading screen waiting time...it does not help at all at the download to have mario running and taking coins nonstop instead of having an accurate progress bar showing you the exact % your download is atlightleggy

What more is there?

What more do you want to know?

when there are 3 boxes it's obviously not done.

when there are 2 boxes it's half way done

when there is 1 box it's almost done

when Mario keeps jumping up on one box it means the game is installing.

It's a bit more entertaining than watching a load bar just there saying

1% done......2% done......

3 hours left for downloading.

so wait a second, you actually stare at the screen while you download something? dont you put the TV or go do something else? cuz I do, I turn the TV on, then after lets say 30 minutes I like to put the download to see how is it going just to check, I will definitly rather seeing a "30%" instead of mario running and 1 block broken, I dont know how long has it been since he broke the first brick, I dont how far he is to destroy the second block. Iwant a fricking accurate bar

This inherently doesnt matter because no download on the Wii takes more than 30 minutes. They are all within 10.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] so wait a second, you actually stare at the screen while you download something? dont you put the TV or go do something else? cuz I do, I turn the TV on, then after lets say 30 minutes I like to put the download to see how is it going just to check, I will definitly rather seeing a "30%" instead of mario running and 1 block broken, I dont know how long has it been since he broke the first brick, I dont how far he is to destroy the second block. Iwant a fricking accurate barLegatoSkyheart

Again, what more do you want to know when downloading a game?

All you should care about is whether or not it downloaded. I just put my opinion out there saying that Nintendo's "Download bar" is more entertaining than the other load bars.

I personally just look online or talk to my siblings or do something else when I download something but Nintendo Wii takes shorter time than the PS3.

and honestly if you saw your Download bar at 30% you would just turn the TV off again. just like you would see if only 1 box had downloaded.

What happens if the Download finished? Will you care how long it's been done? no you would start playing the game.

I like to check, I like to know how far is the download from finishing, it helps you to arrange your "schedule" (if you are a person with one, like myself) and btw when I said "put the tv on" I was talking about watching TV and then periodically check how is the download going
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#43 BlackTragedy
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there is no first second or last. the console war is a lie.

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Sony has the least amount of units sold and is still selling at a loss.

If that isn't last place to me, I don't know what is.

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[QUOTE="lightleggy"] so wait a second, you actually stare at the screen while you download something? dont you put the TV or go do something else? cuz I do, I turn the TV on, then after lets say 30 minutes I like to put the download to see how is it going just to check, I will definitly rather seeing a "30%" instead of mario running and 1 block broken, I dont know how long has it been since he broke the first brick, I dont how far he is to destroy the second block. Iwant a fricking accurate barLegatoSkyheart

Again, what more do you want to know when downloading a game?

All you should care about is whether or not it downloaded. I just put my opinion out there saying that Nintendo's "Download bar" is more entertaining than the other load bars.

I personally just look online or talk to my siblings or do something else when I download something but Nintendo Wii takes shorter time than the PS3.

and honestly if you saw your Download bar at 30% you would just turn the TV off again. just like you would see if only 1 box had downloaded.

What happens if the Download finished? Will you care how long it's been done? no you would start playing the game.

In all honestly, i prefer a figure. it gives me better judgement on how much time more it will take before completion. And let me give you another reason. My download speed fluctuates up and down a lot. So withdetailed information, i can calculate my download speed. Sometimes it's 200kb/s, and sometimes it may be 20kb/s. So no, for me, I'd like to know much more than just whether it's downloaded or not. i'd like to know how fast it's progressing.

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Here come the sheeeeep run for your lives! But seriously in a gamers eye Nintendo is dead last .... they're not getting the third party support everyone thought they would once the Wii was selling ridiculously good ...

It goes ...

  1. PC
  2. XBOX 360
  3. PS3
  4. Wii

But after 2010 it'll be more so ...

  1. PC
  2. PS3
  3. XBOX 360
  4. Wii

W1NGMAN-

I am pretty sure the Sony fanboys think the PS3 has been better than the PC.

About your statement that the Wii hasn't gotten third party support from anyone. How didn't Nintendo get so many third party games on their console, did they bribe the third parties or did they hold them at gunpoint?

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#47 jhcho2
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Sony has the least amount of units sold and is still selling at a loss.

If that isn't last place to me, I don't know what is.

MadVybz

How bout consumer reception? An award winning movie doesn't always has the highest box office earnings.

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#48 ActicEdge
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[QUOTE="MadVybz"]

Sony has the least amount of units sold and is still selling at a loss.

If that isn't last place to me, I don't know what is.

jhcho2

How bout consumer reception? An award winning movie doesn't always has the highest box office earnings.

The thread is about sales, not consumer reception. If we were talking about that, we all know who would be first and who would be last.

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Rest assured RJay, Sony is truly 'last'...
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#50 LegatoSkyheart
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I like to check, I like to know how far is the download from finishing, it helps you to arrange your "schedule" (if you are a person with one, like myself) and btw when I said "put the tv on" I was talking about watching TV and then periodically check how is the download goinglightleggy

In all honestly, i prefer a figure. it gives me better judgement on how much time more it will take before completion. And let me give you another reason. My download speed fluctuates up and down a lot. So withdetailed information, i can calculate my download speed. Sometimes it's 200kb/s, and sometimes it may be 20kb/s. So no, for me, I'd like to know much more than just whether it's downloaded or not. i'd like to know how fast it's progressing.

jhcho2

again for the 3rd time.

WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT TO KNOW!

It's a rhetorical Question! Why do you want to calculate what your Bit rate is? Arrange your Schedule???

All that matters is whether or not the game downloaded! if you don't have time to play a game but you're downloading the game it won't matter how long it's been since the game has been downloading!

I once started downloading the Demo of Bayonetta on the PS3 and left to go to Walmart and get something to eat and came back and the demo was still downloading!

What matters is if the Game Downloaded or not.