Is Sucker Punch a top tier developer now? Better than Ubisoft at their own game?

I just picked up Ghost of Tsushima, and I'm really looking forward to playing the game. Prior to Tsushima, I've played previous Sucker Punch games InFAMOUS and Sly Cooper. They were ok experiences, nothing earth shattering. But from what I'm hearing, this game seems to be on a whole new level. So tell me, SW. Is Sucker Punch a top tier developer now? Better than Ubisoft at their own game?

Ubi is bottom tier. Surpassing bottom of the barrel developer doesn't take much lol even 343i is better. Soccer Pouch is not a top tier dev at all.

I mean, you're kinda implying Ubisoft open world games were ever great.

As our good freind above has correctly stated, not a high bar.

Tier 2 dev.

They are B++. Certainly better than any studios MS has (save turn 10/playground ) at the moment

Top tier dev

I can see glimpses of Sly Cooper and Infamous in their newest game. I love it 👍

Sucker punch has always been great

Infamous is criminally underrated

Got not sure tbh, I would have preferred another infamous

Just below top

They are awesome right now. Never was a fan of infamous but GoT made me a fan of them again. Always wished they do sly again someday though but more games like GoT but with better camera is fine with me.

Maybe the warring states next? Or the 2nd invasion of tsushima? I am positive their next project will be as awesome as GoT.

sucker who?

oh yea..sucker the people who buy their games.

The first Infamous game is one of my favorite open world games. I think Sucker Punch they do a good job with the open world.

Ubi (except their early Prince of Persia and Splinter Cell games) has always been a shit-tier, cookie cutter, manufacturing line developer who obligatorily shits out the most unimaginative drivel the industry has ever seen. Sucker Punch easily beats them with Ghosts.

They, IMO, now stand tall amongst the likes of R*, Naughty Dog, and Sony's best.

@MirkoS77: "They, IMO, now stand tall amongst the likes of R*"

GTA4/RDR1/GTA5 sucks. Pretty sure RDR2 sucks too. IMO of course.

looks at ghost graphics then halo on the series x version. sorry ghost looks better on a last gen machine. ghost is also praised by the combat which is not like any ass creed game. only thing halo has going for it is raytracing heavy.

You think that Halo demo was RT heavy?

Combat is slightly less gunky than ac oddyssey and looks less instanced than ac unity and earlier. It's okay. I think it's among unity for consoles but performs better. I'd rather play got than ac nowadays though but I'm a little tired for both.

World ai is pretty dumb for GoT though. I mean in a more glitch kind of way.

@fedor: Halo got all the funding yet Scam Citizen still looks better.

I agree. I do enjoy playing their games though!

I'm speaking in terms of developmental proficiency, not developmental philosophy.

Sony has done a remarkable job of lifting all their studios up to better themselves, whether it be through investing in them or granting them more liberty towards their creative visions. Whatever they're doing, they're doing it right and it shows.

I think Got and Sly Cooper are top tier games from them.

I personally enjoy the Infamous series, but consider them to be AA games,

@MirkoS77: " Sony has done a remarkable job of lifting all their studios up to better themselves, whether it be through investing in them or granting them more liberty towards their creative visions. Whatever they're doing, they're doing it right and it shows"

No argument from me.

I didn't even see any RT in halo. Combat is better in ghost than it is in any ass creed, but the open world gameplay is exactly the same. Its an Ass Creed with a proper combat system, something Ubi will not be able to achieve until 2050.

I’m maybe 10 hours into GoT and I still think Infamous 2 (2011) is the best game they’ve ever made.

I was never able to get into the Infamous series, but Sly Cooper was great. GoT is really on another level tho, much better than anything I've played from Ubi by a mile.

I hear it is good, but it also took 6 years to get done. Most studios don't have that luxury.

They're solid. GoT probably put them up a little, due to the incredible nuance of the game. That being said, the AI can be dumb as shit quite regularly, and certain elements such as clipping entirely through what I think are bamboo shoots.

I’d say that they have a bit more to prove yet. Ghost looks great and probably something that I’ll really enjoy. Infamous is ‘ok’ and I never was interested in Sly Cooper myself.

This reminds I always meant to get into the Infamous series, but never did. I'm not into superhero stuff typically, but Infamous seems a little different.

Infamous Second Son is unique because it allows you to select your own superpowers and mix & swap.

And the original Infamous sticks out for me because it allows you to choose wether to use your powers for good or for bad :)

Ubisoft has consistently given us 7-8/10 sequels since Assassins Creed 2 they are not a top tier developer when it comes to quality of games they are top tier when it comes to sales and power in the industry though.

The only 9/10 game they have under their belt that deserves it in my opinion is Rainbow Six Siege.

Ubisoft sucks at their own game. If any dev makes something similar, it's most likely better.

They are a solid AA dev, make great 8/10 games (Sly, Infamous, yet to play Ghosts but seems like another 8/10 to me)

That was shit and Sly Cooper was way better than Mario Sunshine ;)

yes it was watch it again even structures obscured the sun rays. the gun even had shadows on it from structures etc.

Bottom of the barrel. Phony needs some new blood. :P

wow that was the first thing i noticed in that game. the textures are bland though.

@gifford38: Yeah, there is not heavy RT in that demo. There may have been none in fact from what I saw.

The anti-Sony people on this board are just getting more pitiful by the day....

Not even close. Ubisoft has a plethora of successful IPs and are much easily obtainable by more gamers. SP (had to google who they were because the name doesn’t ring a bell) is a small studio with a small catalogue and they’re not accessible to many gamers who don’t own a sony console.

Very dumb comparison.

@Sevenizz: lol not accessible to many gamers? It's the fastest selling original IP on PS4.

@SolidGame_basic: You do realize most gamers don’t own a PS4, right?

Sony is the dominant console with 100+ million systems sold. Trying to spin that as insignificant or frivolous is silly.

@SolidGame_basic: Doesn’t matter. Most gamers don’t own a ps4 therefor don’t have access to SP games. How you gonna compare a developer on every platform to a developer on one? It’s stupid and makes no sense.

Pretty much how I feel about your take here.

How are game design and development chops tied to how many platforms you release on? The amount of people that have access to your game has nothing to do with how good you are at making games lol.

Just to be clear, I don't think SP is top tier by any stretch. Even b-level feels a bit generous. But your reasoning makes no sense.

Assassin creed + Anno 1800 makes them pretty much top tier.

For my money they're a better developer than say, Rockstar. I am enjoying Tsushima much more than I ever did RDR2.

I've played a few hours now, and am enjoying it more than I enjoyed RDR 2 after 10 hours lol.

Not with that combat they aren’t

@jg4xchamp: It gets a bit messy when overwhelmed by enemy types / enemies, bit overall I really like it.