Is the 3DS really the same console as the DS?

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#1 Urworstnhtmare
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What with the fast approaching launch of the 3DS, one question is on my mind for discussions. Is the 3DS really the same console as the DS, and thus should any sales of the 3DS be added to the DS? The 3DS is so different from the DS, that in my mind, it should not be considered a new console. The DS Lite was essentially a smaller version of the DS. The DSi added cameras, and also a download store and internal storage. But the 3DS adds so many features other previous iterations that raises this question for me:

DS -> DSi 2x Camera, supports internal and external content storage, connects to the Nintendo DSi Shop

DSi -> 3DS A larger top screen, the 'Slide Pad' instead of the D-Pad, an accelerometer, a gyroscope, virtual console capabilities, multitasking, better looking graphics, more powerful, a new cartridge, and oh course the 3D capabilities.

Note: That 3DS cartridges are currently slightly different to standard DS cartidges, but the 3DS is still backwards compatible.

Basically Im suggesting that the 3DS is such a different handheld to the original DS series, that it should be considered a different console.

Although fairly trivial, what do you think?

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#2 Zanoh
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It is different just like the DS was different to the GBA. While design wise it looks similar to the DS, it's a whole different beast all together.

The same could probably be said for the PSP2.

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#3 DarkerKamikaze
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It is different just like the DS was different to the GBA. While design wise it looks similar to the DS, it's a whole different beast all together.

The same could probably be said for the PSP2.

Zanoh

I'm going with this.

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#4 LovePotionNo9
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Yes, 3DS is a new system and its sales should not count as DS systems because the DS is a different system. It makes no more sense than combining SNES and N64 sales and saying they were all SNES sales.

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#5 Urworstnhtmare
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It is different just like the DS was different to the GBA. While design wise it looks similar to the DS, it's a whole different beast all together.

The same could probably be said for the PSP2.

Zanoh

Thats what Im suggesting. The GBA is a different console to the DS, just like the DS should be considered a different console to the 3DS.

And yea. If what we have heard about the PSP2 is true, then it to is a different console to the PSP.

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#6 Urworstnhtmare
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Ah. Good. So its not just me.

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#7 ZippySlappy
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 It's got dis.
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#8 SakusEnvoy
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It is different just like the DS was different to the GBA. While design wise it looks similar to the DS, it's a whole different beast all together.

The same could probably be said for the PSP2.

Zanoh

Or a Gameboy to a Gameboy Advance. Technically both systems are part of the Gameboy "family", but a GBA is no way the same system as the original GB. On the other hand, we (usually) lump the Gameboy and Gameboy Color together, just as we do the DS and DSi. The 3DS is essentially the new Gameboy Advance.

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#9 jun_aka_pekto
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My opinion is no. The 3DS is a big jump ahead. It kept the clamshell (pseudo-laptop) design of previous Nintendo handhelds which I love. But, it gained a heck of a lot more media capabilities in addition to improved games. Then you add the 3D part. As it stands, the 3DS aims to replace my PSP unless Sony comes up with something better.

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#10 SaltyMeatballs
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3Ds is the successor to the DS.

Also to the 3DS list add: street pass, 3D movies and ability to take 3D photos, better menu/interface and online.

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#11 SoraX64
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Yeah, the 3DS is definitely a new console. It may have DS in the name, it may have two screens, but it plays games that the DS can't, does many things that the DS can't, and has different specs from the DS.
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#12 Dahaka-UK
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Is this topic serious? The 3DS has vastly superior hardware specs than the NDS and the graphics speak for themselves. It's the successor to the NDS.

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#13 Urworstnhtmare
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Is this topic serious? The 3DS has vastly superior hardware specs than the NDS and the graphics speak for themselves. It's the successor to the NDS.

Dahaka-UK

Completely serious. I am afraid that many people have saw the DS in the '3DS' and because they look fairly similar, catergorized it as the same console.

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#14 shutdown_202
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Its a beefed up DS on paper but a next generation system regardless. Sort of like how the GBA was a beefed up GBC.

Once Nintendo has gotten all it can out of the DS series, itll launch a new handheld with a revloutionary feature and repeat.

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#15 BrunoBRS
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It is different just like the DS was different to the GBA. While design wise it looks similar to the DS, it's a whole different beast all together.

The same could probably be said for the PSP2.

Zanoh
the correct answer lies too soon in this discussion :P
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What with the fast approaching launch of the 3DS, one question is on my mind for discussions. Is the 3DS really the same console as the DS, and thus should any sales of the 3DS be added to the DS? The 3DS is so different from the DS, that in my mind, it should not be considered a new console. The DS Lite was essentially a smaller version of the DS. The DSi added cameras, and also a download store and internal storage. But the 3DS adds so many features other previous iterations that raises this question for me:

DS -> DSi 2x Camera, supports internal and external content storage, connects to the Nintendo DSi Shop

DSi -> 3DS A larger top screen, the 'Slide Pad' instead of the D-Pad, an accelerometer, a gyroscope, virtual console capabilities, multitasking, better looking graphics, more powerful, a new cartridge, and oh course the 3D capabilities.

Note: That 3DS cartridges are currently slightly different to standard DS cartidges, but the 3DS is still backwards compatible.

Basically Im suggesting that the 3DS is such a different handheld to the original DS series, that it should be considered a different console.

Although fairly trivial, what do you think?

Urworstnhtmare
Yeah, I would consider it a whole new machine and therefore I would not add it's sales to the current DS sales if we are arguing about such things in System Wars
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#17 osan0
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under the old system you would be correct TC..the 3DS is a next gen handheld. but the whole concept of gens is changing in the handheld market. comparisons between the 3DS and apple and android devices are going to become inevitable so where do we draw the line? e.g. should every iphone release be considered a new gen or should all iphones be counted? same with android devices. and then theres the different types of evices which can play the same games n stuff...i pads and tablets and such like. should they also be counted for apples tally?
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#18 SaltyMeatballs
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[QUOTE="osan0"]under the old system you would be correct TC..the 3DS is a next gen handheld. but the whole concept of gens is changing in the handheld market. comparisons between the 3DS and apple and android devices are going to become inevitable so where do we draw the line? e.g. should every iphone release be considered a new gen or should all iphones be counted? same with android devices. and then theres the different types of evices which can play the same games n stuff...i pads and tablets and such like. should they also be counted for apples tally?

Not really, people will continue to use gaming devices to count the generations. If Wii was the only console to release, it would still have been the next gen. It's not all about power.
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#19 MrDziekuje
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Is anyone saying this is a continuation of the DS? I'm not as active on the GS forums as I once was, sure. But I haven't heard that out of one person yet. The 3DSS is to the DS as the Gameboy Advance was to the Gameboy Color. It's the next thing.

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#20 osan0
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[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="osan0"]under the old system you would be correct TC..the 3DS is a next gen handheld. but the whole concept of gens is changing in the handheld market. comparisons between the 3DS and apple and android devices are going to become inevitable so where do we draw the line? e.g. should every iphone release be considered a new gen or should all iphones be counted? same with android devices. and then theres the different types of evices which can play the same games n stuff...i pads and tablets and such like. should they also be counted for apples tally?

Not really, people will continue to use gaming devices to count the generations. If Wii was the only console to release, it would still have been the next gen. It's not all about power.

oh i know..its not a power issue. its just a question of where we should be drawing the line in the handheld market. again going back to apple (who nintendo do consider to be a threat...just for the record)...what consitiutes a current gen and next gen iphone product? is the iphone 4 next gen? will it be the iphone 5? or should we stack all i__ products against nintys sales? theres no real clear cut gen in the handheld market anymore. its a bit more like the PC now. before it was simple..the GBC was a gen up from the GB and the GBA was a new gen also and then of course the DS was also a new gen. the PSP was also in the same gen as the DS as they were released around the same time. its a question of when stuff is released and what it succeeds. but apple have yearly updates as do android devices and these are going to have a role to play in the handheld market. the leaps arent as big as, say, from the DS to the 3DS though (but there stil big..the 4 us quite a step up from the 3GS in terms of processing power...though not in GPU) and, as you correctly pointed out, power is not the issue here. strictly speaking it could be argued that the DSi was also a new gen. upgraded hardware, new features and exclusive games and released at a much later date than the DS and lite. chances are in SW were going to use the PC situation...all i__ sales and games released before the 3DS will probably be discarded in 3DS vs i__ and android discussions just like all PC games and hardware before the xbox 360 was launched are disregarded in current gen discussion. but its a bit of a mushy gery area.
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#21 crippled_ram
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No, its absolutely different, and I have a had time understanding why anybody would think otherwise. While the sales of the 3DS would probably be added to the lifetime sales of the DS Brand (like the lifetime sales for te Playstation brand, r the Xbox brand, or the Gameboy brand? Yeah, something like that), the system itself represents the next generation of the DS line of gaming systems, and so there is no reason to club its sales together with the original DS systems. That would be like Sony clubbing the sales of the PS2 with sales of the PS1, which, incidentally, makes absolutely zero sense.
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#22 windsquid9000
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While the difference is much larger, the 3DS to the DS is like the GBA to the GB. Same basic system except a lot more powerful and having new features.

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#23 LegatoSkyheart
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No, it's not.