Is the PS3 doing more to push the boundaries of gaming?

In the last few years, I think the 360 has actually seen more innovative games. Gears of War really brought the pop-and-stop cover shooter to the forefront, and Mass Effect reimagined dialogue trees in RPG's.

But when I look at the upcoming slates for both systems, the 360 looks fairly weak in terms of new ideas. I see a few Halo sequels, the expected GeoW3, and Fable III and Mass Effect 2. But they seem very closely derived from their predecessors.

The PS3, on the other hand, has a few games that really seem to push the envelope of immersive, cinematic gameplay. MGS4 is probably the first big example of this, but looking at games like Heavy Rain, it just doesn't even feel like a game out of this generation. And the PS3's pushing boundaries on other fronts: MAG looks to redefine what "epic" means in the online realm with 200+ combatants, though only time will tell if PSN can actually handle that without completely collapsing. And Littlebigplanet has proven a more successful experiment in user-driven content than the much-hyped PC title Spore.

All this adds up to me being a good deal more excited for the PS3's future than any other platform at the moment. Opinions?

I wouldn't say pushing the boundaries, but definitely doing a good job.

There hasn't been much boundary pushing from any sytems this gen honestly.

All the game companies really care about is pushing more money into there pocket

Pushing the boundries may be a lil much, but they defeinantly are ones to take the most "chances" this gen as far as games are concerned to give it's gamers more varing experiences. With MS you always know they are going to "play it safe" with games leaving it's library with more of the run of the mil type titles that they know will have "acceptable" sales.

:P if Sony does something new and it's successful however you can be sure that MS will come with some kind of copy make sum more sales.

in pushing the boundaries, do you mean revolutionizing? if u do, the ones who have "pushed the boundaries" are nintendo. just saying.

in pushing the boundaries, do you mean revolutionizing? if u do, the ones who have "pushed the boundaries" are nintendo. just saying.

gamedude234

How exactly did ME reimagine the dialogue tree? Sure seemed normal to me.

none of those games are pushing boundries. Mass effect is a run of the mill wrpg, mgs 4 is just like all previous mgs games, the concept of heavy rain has been done many times before, mag?? its not the only game with so many players lol.. lbp, a game where you make your own levels? thats not new i had farcry on the 360 and it had a much more expansive level creator than that.

Also, androvinus, killzone 2 did not push boundries, its debatable whether it even looks better than gears 2.. go look at just cause 2, assassins creed 2 or rage, all open world games that are truley pushing the consoles to new levels.

THe ps3 has been pushing the "boundaries of gaming" for a while now, MGS4, KZ2, LBP, HEAVY RAIN AND MAG. am I right or am I rite?RTUUMM

You're not right period.

There hasn't been much boundary pushing from any sytems this gen honestly.

ActicEdge

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There hasn't been much boundary pushing from any sytems this gen honestly.

RTUUMM

No, the PC always has and always will

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

There hasn't been much boundary pushing from any sytems this gen honestly.

RTUUMM

Oh and, the PC only gets a mention to put down spore? If you want to bring the PC into this then you have opened up a whole other can of worms, i think it's safe to say that in terms of "pushing the bounderies" PC games win in every single catagory, you just can argue against it. But if you want to try then you are welcome to :)

Oh and, the PC only gets a mention to put down spore? If you want to bring the PC into this then you have opened up a whole other can of worms, i think it's safe to say that in terms of "pushing the bounderies" PC games win in every single catagory, you just can argue against it. But if you want to try then you are welcome to :)

BoloTheGreat

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Oh and, the PC only gets a mention to put down spore? If you want to bring the PC into this then you have opened up a whole other can of worms, i think it's safe to say that in terms of "pushing the bounderies" PC games win in every single catagory, you just can argue against it. But if you want to try then you are welcome to :)

kolkov01

[QUOTE="kolkov01"][QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

Oh and, the PC only gets a mention to put down spore? If you want to bring the PC into this then you have opened up a whole other can of worms, i think it's safe to say that in terms of "pushing the bounderies" PC games win in every single catagory, you just can argue against it. But if you want to try then you are welcome to :)

BoloTheGreat

you are saying this because mag is doing what pc games did 5 years ago as a short term fad that nobody liked and went away never to return?

In the last few years, I think the 360 has actually seen more innovative games. Gears of War really brought the pop-and-stop cover shooter to the forefront, and Mass Effect reimagined dialogue trees in RPG's.

But when I look at the upcoming slates for both systems, the 360 looks fairly weak in terms of new ideas. I see a few Halo sequels, the expected GeoW3, and Fable III and Mass Effect 2. But they seem very closely derived from their predecessors.

The PS3, on the other hand, has a few games that really seem to push the envelope of immersive, cinematic gameplay. MGS4 is probably the first big example of this, but looking at games like Heavy Rain, it just doesn't even feel like a game out of this generation. And the PS3's pushing boundaries on other fronts: MAG looks to redefine what "epic" means in the online realm with 200+ combatants, though only time will tell if PSN can actually handle that without completely collapsing. And Littlebigplanet has proven a more successful experiment in user-driven content than the much-hyped PC title Spore.

All this adds up to me being a good deal more excited for the PS3's future than any other platform at the moment. Opinions?

masterpinky2000

[QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

Oh and, the PC only gets a mention to put down spore? If you want to bring the PC into this then you have opened up a whole other can of worms, i think it's safe to say that in terms of "pushing the bounderies" PC games win in every single catagory, you just can argue against it. But if you want to try then you are welcome to :)

kolkov01

[QUOTE="kolkov01"][QUOTE="BoloTheGreat"]

Oh and, the PC only gets a mention to put down spore? If you want to bring the PC into this then you have opened up a whole other can of worms, i think it's safe to say that in terms of "pushing the bounderies" PC games win in every single catagory, you just can argue against it. But if you want to try then you are welcome to :)

XanderZane

PC has already done everything that was hyped about MAG, Killzone 2 and LBP years before they were launched

PC already has 3D gaming, yet sony is hyping it up as the next big thing

PC's already had HD back in 2003

Fallout 2 Elder Scrolls 2 are considered to be much superior to Elders Scrolls 4 and Fallout 3 in terms of freedom

need I go on?

[QUOTE="XanderZane"][QUOTE="kolkov01"] exactly, the PC is the real boundary pusher, other then that i'd say nintendo 360 and the PS3 didn't really do all that muchkolkov01

PC has already done everything that was hyped about MAG, Killzone 2 and LBP years before they were launched

PC already has 3D gaming, yet sony is hyping it up as the next big thing

PC's already had HD back in 2003

Fallout 2 Elder Scrolls 2 are considered to be much superior to Elders Scrolls 4 and Fallout 3 in terms of freedom

need I go on?

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[QUOTE="XanderZane"] LOL!! What has the PC done in pushing the boundaries of innovative games? Make them look better? lol!! PC may have helped to push the boundaries of the hardware, but I have seen it do anything for PC games. SteezyZ

PC has already done everything that was hyped about MAG, Killzone 2 and LBP years before they were launched

PC already has 3D gaming, yet sony is hyping it up as the next big thing

PC's already had HD back in 2003

Fallout 2 Elder Scrolls 2 are considered to be much superior to Elders Scrolls 4 and Fallout 3 in terms of freedom

need I go on?

When I first saw the PS3 I thought they would utilize parallel processing to introduce new types of game play that was previously not possible, boy was I wrong.

PS3 has the potential to do something new but it is just being used to keep graphics whores happy. They are cannibalizing performance that could have gone to actual CPU tasks like AI or physics; but are using it for additional post processing and other such visual effects.

What a complete waste, if all they wanted was graphics they could have skipped the whole Cell development difficulty and invested the money into a more powerful custom GPU.

but when it comes to "pushing the boundaries" the PC is the one doing most of the heavy liftingkolkov01

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the GPU computing standards currently being established on PC today will be the next big thing on consoles next generation.

It is insulting that PC can do something for years like modding; only to have Sony stand on a stage in 2009 and claim to be building "the worlds first modding community" with LBP. All three current generation consoles are equipped with PC architecture GPUs, they rely on PC gaming to create the demand for better hardware; which at a later date provides a worthwhile jump in performance for the next gen of consoles.

PC as a gaming platform has a marketing budget of zero, it makes you wonder if consoles take advantage of that to take the credit for PC achievements.

The PS3 is not pushing boundaries but it's selling Blu-Rays, and that is all that matters to Sony.

In the last few years, I think the 360 has actually seen more innovative games. Gears of War really brought the pop-and-stop cover shooter to the forefront, and Mass Effect reimagined dialogue trees in RPG's.

But when I look at the upcoming slates for both systems, the 360 looks fairly weak in terms of new ideas. I see a few Halo sequels, the expected GeoW3, and Fable III and Mass Effect 2. But they seem very closely derived from their predecessors.

The PS3, on the other hand, has a few games that really seem to push the envelope of immersive, cinematic gameplay. MGS4 is probably the first big example of this, but looking at games like Heavy Rain, it just doesn't even feel like a game out of this generation. And the PS3's pushing boundaries on other fronts: MAG looks to redefine what "epic" means in the online realm with 200+ combatants, though only time will tell if PSN can actually handle that without completely collapsing. And Littlebigplanet has proven a more successful experiment in user-driven content than the much-hyped PC title Spore.

All this adds up to me being a good deal more excited for the PS3's future than any other platform at the moment. Opinions?

masterpinky2000

This is the undeniable truth. The gen of consoles is really spoon-feeding refined ideas that have already been done before, but putting a huge amount of polish and marketing glitz around them. I enjoy my 360 and PSP, but I have no delusions that I haven't seen most of this stuff before in one shape or another on the PC, from focused multiplayer, downloadable levels, user-made content, high-definition graphics, sandbox games, etc. But it is still being shaped and refined, so I'm not overly pessimistic.SteezyZ

Oh yeah you're right. Remember PC motion plus and the PC double screen?[/SARCASM]

[QUOTE="kolkov01"]but when it comes to "pushing the boundaries" the PC is the one doing most of the heavy liftingAnnoyedDragon

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the GPU computing standards currently being established on PC today will be the next big thing on consoles next generation.

It is insulting that PC can do something for years like modding; only to have Sony stand on a stage in 2009 and claim to be building "the worlds first modding community" with LBP. All three current generation consoles are equipped with PC architecture GPUs, they rely on PC gaming to create the demand for better hardware; which at a later date provides a worthwhile jump in performance for the next gen of consoles.

PC as a gaming platform has a marketing budget of zero, it makes you wonder if consoles take advantage of that to take the credit for PC achievements.

[QUOTE="kolkov01"]but when it comes to "pushing the boundaries" the PC is the one doing most of the heavy liftingAnnoyedDragon

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the GPU computing standards currently being established on PC today will be the next big thing on consoles next generation.

It is insulting that PC can do something for years like modding; only to have Sony stand on a stage in 2009 and claim to be building "the worlds first modding community" with LBP. All three current generation consoles are equipped with PC architecture GPUs, they rely on PC gaming to create the demand for better hardware; which at a later date provides a worthwhile jump in performance for the next gen of consoles.

PC as a gaming platform has a marketing budget of zero, it makes you wonder if consoles take advantage of that to take the credit for PC achievements.

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[QUOTE="kolkov01"]but when it comes to "pushing the boundaries" the PC is the one doing most of the heavy liftingsavagetwinkie

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if the GPU computing standards currently being established on PC today will be the next big thing on consoles next generation.

It is insulting that PC can do something for years like modding; only to have Sony stand on a stage in 2009 and claim to be building "the worlds first modding community" with LBP. All three current generation consoles are equipped with PC architecture GPUs, they rely on PC gaming to create the demand for better hardware; which at a later date provides a worthwhile jump in performance for the next gen of consoles.

PC as a gaming platform has a marketing budget of zero, it makes you wonder if consoles take advantage of that to take the credit for PC achievements.

And secondly lbp isn't really modding, its creation, your given a clean sheet and some tools and other things to make your masterpiece.

Case in point.

Really You mean like a LEVEL EDITOR!!!!!!! Seriosuly folks Source SDK does this, MOST PC games have this available in game (see age of mythology) or out out of game using a utility(see every game ever created on a PC)

**Facepalm** 90% of the time LBP levels suck, IT'S A LEVEL EDITOR!

The modding scene on the PC is HUGE¬

no, just no, Their are mods and communties on PC but LBP will be a much more cohesive communtiy then anythign the PC has, since its all in PSN, and gaming isn't driving graphics, considering that alot of the technology that comes out isn't just for gaming... it just happens to take end user vid cards and not the dev cards like firegl and slap them into a console, even if there wasn't pc gaming, consoles would likly still be here. 90% of the time mods blow on pc, thats why they usually have such a small user base. And secondly lbp isn't really modding, its creation, your given a clean sheet and some tools and other things to make your masterpiece.savagetwinkie

I was expecting some sort of counter argument; but all I got was a load of fanboy nonsense that sounds like you were skim reading, shame.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"]no, just no, Their are mods and communties on PC but LBP will be a much more cohesive communtiy then anythign the PC has, since its all in PSN, and gaming isn't driving graphics, considering that alot of the technology that comes out isn't just for gaming... it just happens to take end user vid cards and not the dev cards like firegl and slap them into a console, even if there wasn't pc gaming, consoles would likly still be here. 90% of the time mods blow on pc, thats why they usually have such a small user base. And secondly lbp isn't really modding, its creation, your given a clean sheet and some tools and other things to make your masterpiece.AnnoyedDragon

I was expecting some sort of counter argument; but all I got was a load of fanboy nonsense that sounds like you were skim reading, shame.

Other than LBP and GeoW, I don't think a single game you listed has had the slightest impact on gaming.

with killzone 2 it has definately pushed the boundaries for graphics on consolesAndrovinus

We are only half way through this generation to come to a conclusion about OPs question. As cryengine far surpasses killzone in graphics. And im sure down the line another engine will surpass cryengine.

no, just no, Their are mods and communties on PC but LBP will be a much more cohesive communtiy then anythign the PC hassavagetwinkie

The Doom mod comunity is still alive and healthy, remember Doom? that PC game launched back in 1993? come talk to me in 16 years and see if LBP's community is still alive

90% of the time mods blow on pc, thats why they usually have such a small user base.savagetwinkie

First of all, mods never blow your PC up -_-

secondly, provide a link to your outrageous claim

And secondly lbp isn't really modding, its creation, your given a clean sheet and some tools and other things to make your masterpiece.savagetwinkie

Something which PC games have been doing since the 90's

congratulations, you're only 10 years late to the party

There hasn't been much boundary pushing from any sytems this gen honestly.

ActicEdge