Is the Wii more Powerful Than Xbox 1? Answer finally explained (Link)

http://blog.newsweek.com/blogs/levelup/archive/2007/05/08/geek-out-xbox-uber-boss-robbie-bach-takes-a-shot-at-nintendo-s-underpowered-wii-does-he-manage-to-score-a-bulls-eye-or-just-shoot-himself-in-the-foot.aspx

thank god it took a microsoft employee to tell us :roll:

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

 

 

Arsuz

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

[QUOTE="Arsuz"]

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

 

 

-Sir-Poof-

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

OK. 

1.)  old

2.)  early in the console's life

3.)  dev's not utilizing the wii's full potential

4.)  unrealiable source

[QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"][QUOTE="Arsuz"]

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

MDShaw2005

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

so lets listen to a diffrent company... than a devleoper ? wtf is that :?

ubisfot have already said wii is more powerful than xbox. and grapchis will be around has beatufiul has some xbox games.

yes now stop trolling freaks

[QUOTE="MDShaw2005"][QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"][QUOTE="Arsuz"]

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

 

 

mjarantilla

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

not its not :|

If nintendo pushes 3rd party than they leave. god you fanboys are so bad

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MDShaw2005"][QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"][QUOTE="Arsuz"]

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

wavebrid

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

not its not :|

If nintendo pushes 3rd party than they leave. god you fanboys are so bad

[QUOTE="Arsuz"]

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

 

 

-Sir-Poof-

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

[QUOTE="Arsuz"]

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

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-Sir-Poof-

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

 That's being too generous to wii, best looking PS2 games look better than anything on Wii(God of war II)

[QUOTE="MDShaw2005"][QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"][QUOTE="Arsuz"]

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

 

 

mjarantilla

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

I think you forgot about MP3, SMG, and SSBB. :|

[QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MDShaw2005"][QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"][QUOTE="Arsuz"]

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

 

 

GamerForca

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

I think you forgot about MP3, SMG, and SSBB. :|

[QUOTE="GamerForca"][QUOTE="mjarantilla"][QUOTE="MDShaw2005"][QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"][QUOTE="Arsuz"]

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

 

 

kage_53

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

I think you forgot about MP3, SMG, and SSBB. :|

Here's a better comparison: MP3 > Halo 2 graphically.  SSBB and SMG are far more than just art as well.  SMG in particular looks better than possibly everything in the Xbox library.

OK. 

1.)  old

2.)  early in the console's life

3.)  dev's not utilizing the wii's full potential

4.)  unrealiable source

TimeToPartyHard

Here's a better comparison: MP3 > Halo 2 graphically.  SSBB and SMG are far more than just art as well.  SMG in particular looks better than possibly everything in the Xbox library.

GamerForca

SMG textures are bad especially compared to Ninja Gaiden's.

Nothing is true until Nintendo release the specs.

Some say Wii is weaker than the Xbox and some say its more powerful, I won't belive anything until confirmed specs.

[QUOTE="TimeToPartyHard"]

OK. 

1.)  old

2.)  early in the console's life

3.)  dev's not utilizing the wii's full potential

4.)  unrealiable source

GunSmith1_basic

[QUOTE="TimeToPartyHard"]

OK. 

1.)  old

2.)  early in the console's life

3.)  dev's not utilizing the wii's full potential

4.)  unrealiable source

GunSmith1_basic

LOL devs not utilizing the wii's full potential. There is no potential with this system.

[QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"][QUOTE="Arsuz"]

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

 

 

arinya

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

read whats in red then my comment, then change your comment, thank you.

[QUOTE="GamerForca"]

Here's a better comparison: MP3 > Halo 2 graphically.  SSBB and SMG are far more than just art as well.  SMG in particular looks better than possibly everything in the Xbox library.

kage_53

SMG textures are bad especially compared to Ninja Gaiden's.

The games are more similar.  And SMG is not an Action/Adventure.  Compare it to Conker's: SMG wins by a very small margin.

[QUOTE="GamerForca"]

Here's a better comparison: MP3 > Halo 2 graphically. SSBB and SMG are far more than just art as well. SMG in particular looks better than possibly everything in the Xbox library.

kage_53

SMG textures are bad especially compared to Ninja Gaiden's.

No they aren't... I don't know what pictures of SMG you've been looking at... But SMG has great textures... you'd have to be blind to not see it.  

to-the-point commentary:

One point of speculation was this: does the Wii have programmable shaders, either vertex shaders, pixel shaders, or both, as did the original Xbox? The answer, according to our first source, was no. "The Wii's GPU has fixed functions for vertex, lighting, and pixel operations," said the source "All 'programmable shaders' means is that the code you write for the shader gets run on the vertex and pixel hardware of the GPU. This is how it works on the high-end ATI and Nvidia GPU parts. The Wii is an older fixed function design where you have lots of operations but the pipelines are not programmable in the sense of downloading shader code to run [on them]."

Our second source echoed that assessment of the Wii's graphics chip, comparing its fixed-function design to that the Gamecube, saying that it was "basically pretty similar" to Nvidia's seven-year-old GeForce2. "A dev support guy from Nintendo said that the Wii chipset is 'Gamecube 1.5 with some added memory,'" our second source told us. "I figure if they say that, it must be true."

Our second source went on to explain that the "Gamecube 1.5" moniker, while accurate, doesn't mean that gamers won't see graphical improvements on the Wii. "There are three main differences which will result in graphics improvements. One, the increased memory clock speed, from 162 megahertz to 243 megahertz, means that it is easier to do enough pixels for 480p mode versus 480i. Two, the enhanced memory size of the Wii gives much more room for image-related operations such as anti-aliasing, motion blur, etc. The performance to these memory systems from the graphics chip is also improved. So full-screen effects and increased texture usage seem likely as a result."

That assessment dovetailed with what we heard from our first source. "Almost all the shader effects on PC, Xbox 360 and PS3 can be reproduced on the Wii by re-implementing them with the fixed function hardware of the Wii's GPU. Most games just port the effect over. A few teams have gone as far as making a shader-to-Wii conversion tool. It reads the shader code and generates the fixed function code necessary to achieve the same result. Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

Nintendo Genuiuses?


Why, by the way, did Nintendo opt for a fixed-function graphics chip instead of a programmable GPU, like the PS3 or Xbox 360? "It's all about cost," our first source told us. "Fixed function circuitry is a lot cheaper to make." Those cost savings have not only resulted in a console that is cheaper than its competitors, but also much more profitable for Nintendo. And we know full well how much Nintendo loves its profits.

iiiinteresting.

[QUOTE="kage_53"][QUOTE="GamerForca"]

Here's a better comparison: MP3 > Halo 2 graphically. SSBB and SMG are far more than just art as well. SMG in particular looks better than possibly everything in the Xbox library.

GundamGuy0

SMG textures are bad especially compared to Ninja Gaiden's.

No they aren't... I don't know what pictures of SMG you've been looking at... But SMG has great textures... you'd have to be blind to not see it.

"Great" is a relative expression.  Great relative to PS2/Xbox/NGC, perhaps.   

anyone find it odd that the only blogs/sites or whatever that ever say the wii is underpowered compared to the xbox1 are connected to either microsoft or in this case their xbox division? Just asking, seems like a weird coincidence huh?GunSmith1_basic

but then again, i'm not saying it's true, they could very well be lying about it 

[QUOTE="GunSmith1_basic"]anyone find it odd that the only blogs/sites or whatever that ever say the wii is underpowered compared to the xbox1 are connected to either microsoft or in this case their xbox division? Just asking, seems like a weird coincidence huh?RacoonusDoodus

but then again, i'm not saying it's true, they could very well be lying about it

fair enough. 

[QUOTE="Arsuz"]

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

 

 

-Sir-Poof-

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

[QUOTE="-Sir-Poof-"][QUOTE="Arsuz"]

"Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results."

 

 

nintendo-4life

There hasnt been anything remotely close on the Wii that has been done on the PS3/360....heck the best looking game last gen(RE4) is out doing every game out for the Wii as of right now.

I'd prefer to blame the lack of HD potential.  

He's absolutely right. The Wii does have a less complex and customizable chipset than the Xbox. And that's pretty much irrelevant.
Why? Because there are still ways to work around the limitations. You may not have the ability to just do it, but there are ways to get simiar results as if the shaders were there. In fact, they can even get results surpassing the Xbox by a good margin. To quote one of the developers N'Gai Croal quoted:

Keep in mind that the Wii's GPU is not as fast or feature rich as the Xbox 360 or PS3, but that doesn't mean you can't get very close results.Unnamed Developer

Think about that. If N'Gai Croal, one of the most reputable videogame journalists out there, quoted this developer, they must know what they're talking about. And they said the Wii's GPU could result in effects "very close" to those of the PS3 and 360.
Now, I know what responses I'll get. "But the games!" Yes, the games. Games which have made full use of the Wii's hardware have yet to come out, so judging based off of games right now is nothing short of foolishness.

The question is about the complexity of the Wii's GPU.

The answer is irrelevant. 

OK.

1.) old

2.) early in the console's life

3.) dev's not utilizing the wii's full potential

4.) unrealiable source

TimeToPartyHard

Did some of you who are complaining about the article not read it? The article itself is written by N'Gai Coral, a very respected videogame journalists. He actually went to 2 devs and asked them whether or not the Wii is more powerful than the X-BOX, this isn't some Microsoft fanboys response to the question, it's by devs who have actuallty gotten their hands on with Wii dev kits.

As for the Wii being more powerful than the original X-BOX, there are definetly things that can be done on the Wii that weren't possible on the X-BOX.

[QUOTE="GamerForca"]

Here's a better comparison: MP3 > Halo 2 graphically. SSBB and SMG are far more than just art as well. SMG in particular looks better than possibly everything in the Xbox library.

kage_53

SMG textures are bad especially compared to Ninja Gaiden's.