It's actually good that Sony's not ruling this gen for PS3 owners.

If you do not recognize it, Sony was for the "mainstream" market last year, and that's probably how they won. They had their good games and exclusive titles, but at the same time, most of their games were the casual type meant to appeal to kids. They also didn't pay much attention to online play, and just slapped it on the console like that. Yet it received so much praise, but it was obvious that they took it off of PC gaming and LIVE and lacked the full features of those respective systems. But they continued to sell exponentially better than any other console on the market. And I'm not sure if you PS2 owners remember, but Memory Card's were SIGNIFICANTLY over-priced! You could get a USB drive for MUCH less!

Now that PS3 is trailing behind the other consoles, however, things have changed. All these crappy mainstream games, or at least a whole lot of them, have wandered elsewhere(Wii is actually the big home to those now). The PS3 is actually ALOT better than the PS2 console, ALOT more powerful, and a good value even for a high price(and $500/$600? WHAT were they thinking?!). Actually, that sky-high price does show another part to Sony's greed. IMO, they should have waited till blu-ray was cheaper to produce, but arrogance got the better of them and they were forced to concede to price-drops and limited software/console sales. Now, it actually does feel like it's worth $400, especially since blu-ray reached out to the market more. PS3 BARELY had any games to start because Sony was so confident in selling just as much as the PS2 did in profit(not sales numbers, but overall profit) with only a few games(Multi-plat's mostly, and only a few exclusives like RFOM and Motorstorm; barely cutting sauce, even if they are good games).

Then about a year later, Sony realized where all their cash was going. They had to do something quick or they were going to have to close their gaming division for good. It's great how they did change things, as now their exclusive line-up is large and expanding, and a bit profitable to them now to continue on with hiring 1st party dev's to make mostly A-quality games. They decided to add more to PSN to make it more competitive for the price of free. And now, Sony's actually getting used to the 3rd place treatment, but they got the worst of it, since sales continue to tremble as the economy is not profitable enough.

See, Sony's losing in this gen actually made their reputation ALOT better. I can actually respect them as a company now, because their products really are of great quality. Even with low amount of sales, Sony continues to sell its high-priced products, but most of them do live up to the expensive price now. And now, Sony caters much more to the hardcore fan base than the casual audience like they did last gen.

Sony's change seems to be favorable in the long run as it continues to gain more respect by dev's who make first-party exclusives for them.

So I'm actually glad they are losing, because if they were on top, last gen would repeat itself yet again.:roll: A foolish move on Sony's part, but they were asking for it, and now hopefully, they can revise their errors created by greed and become profitable yet again. PS3 gamers can actually gain from Sony's loss here.

good point.. but it makes me even more worried about nintendo next gen..

PS3 is not better than the PS2...

Yes the products and games have definately changed....and better for the true gamers.

PS3 is not better than the PS2...

mitu123

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

PS3 is not better than the PS2...

kage_53

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

PS3 is not better than the PS2...

kage_53

Although yet another greedy move by Sony was abolishing BC, saying "out with the old, in with the new", or something like that. But I've also heard that they plan on a firmware update for COMPLETE BC for every PS3 model. When that will be, though, I don't know. NYrockinlegend

It sends the wrong signal to console developers to have a cheaply made, low end machine owning this gen, in sales *and* profits per unit. The ps3 should be winning, it would say to microsoft and nintendo that next gen they really have to step it up, making true multimedia machines, rather than just cheapo game units...I'm worried that next gen will be all minigames and gimmicks, with nothing for guys like me who like strategy/rpg games.

They've not gotten a better reputation lol Have you been paying attention this gen? XD The stuff they've been spewing is laughable at best. They've lost a LOT of their reputation with rubbish about 4D graphics and the PS3 being "too cheap".

[QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"]Although yet another greedy move by Sony was abolishing BC, saying "out with the old, in with the new", or something like that. But I've also heard that they plan on a firmware update for COMPLETE BC for every PS3 model. When that will be, though, I don't know. mitu123

Although yet another greedy move by Sony was abolishing BC, saying "out with the old, in with the new", or something like that. But I've also heard that they plan on a firmware update for COMPLETE BC for every PS3 model. When that will be, though, I don't know. NYrockinlegend

Sony were greedy for removing BC from the 40GB? I think they were just desperate to lower the price of the PS3. Can't blame them considering they were also called greedy for having the PS3 at such an expensive price. In my opinion greedy is the last word I'd use to describe Sony considering how much money they lose on each PS3 and the amount of money they put into their first-party games.

Other than that I agree with you. Sony are trying harder than ever to win this console war and thats only good news to PS3 owners. This kind of reminds me of how Sega dealt with the Dreamcast. Once they had fallen they tried even harder to push out great games, which they did and I love them for it.

What I like about the PS3 is the technical ambition. It doesnt have as much lemons as its competitors. It isnt hacked for piracy and people cant cheat online. The exclusives are also getting better. To me the PS3 is like the GCN. It has a great underrated library but trailing behind in the console war. When a slimline model with full BC comes out at a reasonable price, consider me sold.

They've not gotten a better reputation lol Have you been paying attention this gen? XD The stuff they've been spewing is laughable at best. They've lost a LOT of their reputation with rubbish about 4D graphics and the PS3 being "too cheap".

CreepyBacon

[QUOTE="mitu123"]

PS3 is not better than the PS2...

kage_53

Well that is definitely one way to spin there argument. I would say that it is not good for PS3 owners that Sony isn't ruling. If they were ruling you would have more exclusives and more high quality games in general. Frankly though, they deserved to fail for selling a console for $600. The PS3 is a system for entertainment, not a small investment like that price would suggest.

Well that is definitely one way to spin there argument. I would say that it is not good for PS3 owners that Sony isn't ruling. If they were ruling you would have more exclusives and more high quality games in general. Frankly though, they deserved to fail for selling a console for $600. The PS3 is a system for entertainment, not a small investment like that price would suggest.

ActicEdge

Well that is definitely one way to spin there argument. I would say that it is not good for PS3 owners that Sony isn't ruling. If they were ruling you would have more exclusives and more high quality games in general. Frankly though, they deserved to fail for selling a console for $600. The PS3 is a system for entertainment, not a small investment like that price would suggest.

ActicEdge

i thought ps2 sold well only cuz there lasers kept packing up a month after warrenty :P

Im not bothered if Sony are dead last, because the games they are producing are far more satisfying compared to Wii and somewhat 360 too. They are getting the attention they need ever since last year

Jesus christ?!?!?! Are you kids now saying that the PS2 was for teh kiddiez, noobz and teh casuals? This is like cutting off your hand to spite your arm.

Sony made far more hardcore titles for the PS2 than for the PS3. I really can't believe you would think otherwise.

Yeah, but Sony has gained my respect from this point. They have mostly revised the error of their ways, trying to actually improve their quality rather than leave it alone. From here on, I'm one happy gamer.:) If Sony died out completely, then I would just pity them and move on to 360, controlled by the ever-so power-hungry MS! However, they're a more monopolizing company, as nearly EVERYONE uses their products(heck, I even use their PCs!), so I doubt they'll follow a similar fate to Sony.NYrockinlegend

That's what people refer to as a successful company. A monopoly is bad when it's forced its way in by either regulation or illegal acts, otherwise it's there because people want it to be.

If you do not recognize it, Sony was for the "mainstream" market last year, and that's probably how they won. They had their good games and exclusive titles, but at the same time, most of their games were the casual type meant to appeal to kids. They also didn't pay much attention to online play, and just slapped it on the console like that. Yet it received so much praise, but it was obvious that they took it off of PC gaming and LIVE and lacked the full features of those respective systems. But they continued to sell exponentially better than any other console on the market. And I'm not sure if you PS2 owners remember, but Memory Card's were SIGNIFICANTLY over-priced! You could get a USB drive for MUCH less!

Now that PS3 is trailing behind the other consoles, however, things have changed. All these crappy mainstream games, or at least a whole lot of them, have wandered elsewhere(Wii is actually the big home to those now). The PS3 is actually ALOT better than the PS2 console, ALOT more powerful, and a good value even for a high price(and $500/$600? WHAT were they thinking?!). Actually, that sky-high price does show another part to Sony's greed. IMO, they should have waited till blu-ray was cheaper to produce, but arrogance got the better of them and they were forced to concede to price-drops and limited software/console sales. Now, it actually does feel like it's worth $400, especially since blu-ray reached out to the market more. PS3 BARELY had any games to start because Sony was so confident in selling just as much as the PS2 did in profit(not sales numbers, but overall profit) with only a few games(Multi-plat's mostly, and only a few exclusives like RFOM and Motorstorm; barely cutting sauce, even if they are good games).

Then about a year later, Sony realized where all their cash was going. They had to do something quick or they were going to have to close their gaming division for good. It's great how they did change things, as now their exclusive line-up is large and expanding, and a bit profitable to them now to continue on with hiring 1st party dev's to make mostly A-quality games. They decided to add more to PSN to make it more competitive for the price of free. And now, Sony's actually getting used to the 3rd place treatment, but they got the worst of it, since sales continue to tremble as the economy is not profitable enough.

See, Sony's losing in this gen actually made their reputation ALOT better. I can actually respect them as a company now, because their products really are of great quality. Even with low amount of sales, Sony continues to sell its high-priced products, but most of them do live up to the expensive price now. And now, Sony caters much more to the hardcore fan base than the casual audience like they did last gen.

Sony's change seems to be favorable in the long run as it continues to gain more respect by dev's who make first-party exclusives for them.

So I'm actually glad they are losing, because if they were on top, last gen would repeat itself yet again.:roll: A foolish move on Sony's part, but they were asking for it, and now hopefully, they can revise their errors created by greed and become profitable yet again. PS3 gamers can actually gain from Sony's loss here.

NYrockinlegend

Although yet another greedy move by Sony was abolishing BC, saying "out with the old, in with the new", or something like that. But I've also heard that they plan on a firmware update for COMPLETE BC for every PS3 model. When that will be, though, I don't know. NYrockinlegend

I bet when all the great titles are out for the PS3 like; God of War 3, Gran Turismo 5, Tekken 6 & FF 13. And you'll no longer care about their older PS2 versions theyll give us a BC update.

Its a smart business plan becuz thatll be when no one really cares about PS2 anymore.

It sends the wrong signal to console developers to have a cheaply made, low end machine owning this gen, in sales *and* profits per unit. I agree with this. The ps3 should be winning, You lost me here. MS went the right way between power to cost ratio. Sony didn't get much more if any power yet the unit is significantly more expensive. I don't want companies thinking it is hunky dory to launch machines at 500 and 600 dollar pricepoints. it would say to microsoft and nintendo that next gen they really have to step it up, making true multimedia machines, WHY? The majority of the market just wants to play games,do one thing excellent rather than do a bunch of things OK.rather than just cheapo game units only if you can add those features without jacking the cost up. ...I'm worried that next gen will be all minigames and gimmicks, I do too, though when you combine the 2 HD consoles sales, it shows that there is a large core market that won't be ignored either. with nothing for guys like me who like strategy/rpg games. The traditional market is too large to be ignored...if money is to be made somebody will make it.

Andrew_Xavier

If you do not recognize it, Sony was for the "mainstream" market last year, and that's probably how they won. They had their good games and exclusive titles, but at the same time, most of their games were the casual type meant to appeal to kids. They also didn't pay much attention to online play, and just slapped it on the console like that. Yet it received so much praise, but it was obvious that they took it off of PC gaming and LIVE and lacked the full features of those respective systems. But they continued to sell exponentially better than any other console on the market. And I'm not sure if you PS2 owners remember, but Memory Card's were SIGNIFICANTLY over-priced! You could get a USB drive for MUCH less!

Now that PS3 is trailing behind the other consoles, however, things have changed. All these crappy mainstream games, or at least a whole lot of them, have wandered elsewhere(Wii is actually the big home to those now). The PS3 is actually ALOT better than the PS2 console, ALOT more powerful, and a good value even for a high price(and $500/$600? WHAT were they thinking?!). Actually, that sky-high price does show another part to Sony's greed. IMO, they should have waited till blu-ray was cheaper to produce, but arrogance got the better of them and they were forced to concede to price-drops and limited software/console sales. Now, it actually does feel like it's worth $400, especially since blu-ray reached out to the market more. PS3 BARELY had any games to start because Sony was so confident in selling just as much as the PS2 did in profit(not sales numbers, but overall profit) with only a few games(Multi-plat's mostly, and only a few exclusives like RFOM and Motorstorm; barely cutting sauce, even if they are good games).

Then about a year later, Sony realized where all their cash was going. They had to do something quick or they were going to have to close their gaming division for good. It's great how they did change things, as now their exclusive line-up is large and expanding, and a bit profitable to them now to continue on with hiring 1st party dev's to make mostly A-quality games. They decided to add more to PSN to make it more competitive for the price of free. And now, Sony's actually getting used to the 3rd place treatment, but they got the worst of it, since sales continue to tremble as the economy is not profitable enough.

See, Sony's losing in this gen actually made their reputation ALOT better. I can actually respect them as a company now, because their products really are of great quality. Even with low amount of sales, Sony continues to sell its high-priced products, but most of them do live up to the expensive price now. And now, Sony caters much more to the hardcore fan base than the casual audience like they did last gen.

Sony's change seems to be favorable in the long run as it continues to gain more respect by dev's who make first-party exclusives for them.

So I'm actually glad they are losing, because if they were on top, last gen would repeat itself yet again.:roll: A foolish move on Sony's part, but they were asking for it, and now hopefully, they can revise their errors created by greed and become profitable yet again. PS3 gamers can actually gain from Sony's loss here.

NYrockinlegend

i can criticize Sony for having few games at launch but now, PS3 has a very good library, exclusive and multi wise.

Sony products were always of high quality, if you remember sony exculsives last generation were the ones that pushed the PS2 to its limit.... look at jak 2 or jak 3, this generation is no exception.

u seemed a little upleasent wz the last generation, i dun know why???/ and i wonder in which possible way Sony's loss is for their own good!!!!!!!!!!! i know failure leads to success but may be if PS3 sold more>>>> more 3rd pary exculsives>>>>good old days again for Sony.

If you do not recognize it, Sony was for the "mainstream" market last year, and that's probably how they won. NYrockinlegend

I'm a very happy consumer (even moreso than I was with the ps2 this early) , and the competition does have a lot to do with that. :D

[QUOTE="kage_53"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

PS3 is not better than the PS2...

bingbaocao

If you do not recognize it, Sony was for the "mainstream" market last year, and that's probably how they won. They had their good games and exclusive titles, but at the same time, most of their games were the casual type meant to appeal to kids. They also didn't pay much attention to online play, and just slapped it on the console like that. Yet it received so much praise, but it was obvious that they took it off of PC gaming and LIVE and lacked the full features of those respective systems. But they continued to sell exponentially better than any other console on the market. And I'm not sure if you PS2 owners remember, but Memory Card's were SIGNIFICANTLY over-priced! You could get a USB drive for MUCH less!

Now that PS3 is trailing behind the other consoles, however, things have changed. All these crappy mainstream games, or at least a whole lot of them, have wandered elsewhere(Wii is actually the big home to those now). The PS3 is actually ALOT better than the PS2 console, ALOT more powerful, and a good value even for a high price(and $500/$600? WHAT were they thinking?!). Actually, that sky-high price does show another part to Sony's greed. IMO, they should have waited till blu-ray was cheaper to produce, but arrogance got the better of them and they were forced to concede to price-drops and limited software/console sales. Now, it actually does feel like it's worth $400, especially since blu-ray reached out to the market more. PS3 BARELY had any games to start because Sony was so confident in selling just as much as the PS2 did in profit(not sales numbers, but overall profit) with only a few games(Multi-plat's mostly, and only a few exclusives like RFOM and Motorstorm; barely cutting sauce, even if they are good games).

Then about a year later, Sony realized where all their cash was going. They had to do something quick or they were going to have to close their gaming division for good. It's great how they did change things, as now their exclusive line-up is large and expanding, and a bit profitable to them now to continue on with hiring 1st party dev's to make mostly A-quality games. They decided to add more to PSN to make it more competitive for the price of free. And now, Sony's actually getting used to the 3rd place treatment, but they got the worst of it, since sales continue to tremble as the economy is not profitable enough.

See, Sony's losing in this gen actually made their reputation ALOT better. I can actually respect them as a company now, because their products really are of great quality. Even with low amount of sales, Sony continues to sell its high-priced products, but most of them do live up to the expensive price now. And now, Sony caters much more to the hardcore fan base than the casual audience like they did last gen.

Sony's change seems to be favorable in the long run as it continues to gain more respect by dev's who make first-party exclusives for them.

So I'm actually glad they are losing, because if they were on top, last gen would repeat itself yet again.:roll: A foolish move on Sony's part, but they were asking for it, and now hopefully, they can revise their errors created by greed and become profitable yet again. PS3 gamers can actually gain from Sony's loss here.

[QUOTE="NYrockinlegend"]

If you do not recognize it, Sony was for the "mainstream" market last year, and that's probably how they won.

i saw it in a sig somewhere but it said "3rd place has never been so great" or something like that. its true and good post NY. sony keep the exclusives comin!karsa-orlong

[QUOTE="kage_53"][QUOTE="mitu123"]

PS3 is not better than the PS2...

bingbaocao

It's actually very good for developers that Sony is no longer in a dominant market position. Developers have far more leverage now than they did last gen.

Because neither the 360 or PS3 have a dominant market position, Sony & Microsoft cannot charge high royalty fees to third-party developers to release games on their consoles. The developers can negotiate cheaper royalty fees.

Another advantage is that a third-party developer with a major title can, at their discretion, negotiate an exclusive rights fee with Sony or Microsoft where they are paid very, very well to develop their title exclusively for one platform, or they are paid well to develop additional content exclusively for one platform, etc.

Developers are very happy with the way things are right now. Good for them, I say.

That has to be the biggest effort of damage control on system wars. It's funny the 360 gets big support from casual to hardcore and it's smashing the ps3 in sales your topic fails.TX360

you talk as if this generation has ended ==; its still just the 2nd year and the difference between the consoles isnt that much 21 mils , 29 mils and 47 mils I remember last generation the difference was over 120 mils and Sheeps and Lems were still saying GC and Xbox are Da best this generation still has alot to offer, and stop comparing 10 years old console games library to 2 years old one