It's kinda sad that...

• PS3 has sold 3 million worldwide at such a ridiculously expensive price for a console. This could lead to Sony thinking they can make any price they want for their console and people will still buy it.
  

• Wii is selling so well with little to no major standout (gamer) titles for the system. This could lead devs to believe that the best way to get sales for the Wii is to develop non gamer titles. This could mean a lack of variety for Nintendo loyalists in the future.
  

• 360 Elite is overpriced, and MS thinks they can get away with it. While the PS3 can be labelled as "expensive", the Elite can be labelled as both "expensive" and "overpriced". It's also sad MS have stranded early adopters with reports of faulty hardware. Also sad that they haven't offered a trade in for current 360 owners to the Elite.

Yes/No?

Any of these true? Which one is the worst?

Well I disagree with your first two points. Sony obviously can't price their console whatever they want and "get away with it" unless you mean "last place" is getting away with it.

Second, if a Mario platformer isn't a gamer title, I really don't know what is.

Well, I disagree with your last point as well. Why in God's name would Microsoft offer to trade their Elite system for current Core or Premium users? They're getting back a used system that they can't package up and resell on store shelves. That's like giving away free candy, basically. Except that the candy costs nearly $500. And there are 10 million pieces. 

• PS3 has sold 3 million worldwide at such a ridiculously expensive price for a console. This could lead to Sony thinking they can make any price they want for their console and people will still buy it.
  

• Wii is selling so well with little to no major standout (gamer) titles for the system. This could lead devs to believe that the best way to get sales for the Wii is to develop non gamer titles. This could mean a lack of variety for Nintendo loyalists in the future.
  

• 360 Elite is overpriced, and MS thinks they can get away with it. While the PS3 can be labelled as "expensive", the Elite can be labelled as both "expensive" and "overpriced". It's also sad MS have stranded early adopters with reports of faulty hardware. Also sad that they haven't offered a trade in for current 360 owners to the Elite.

Yes/No?

Any of these true? Which one is the worst?

the-very-best

# 2 is a complete joke. super paper mario, zelda, and warioware are amazing titles, what are you talking about :|

Yes, yes, yes. However, #3 is the worst, IMO. I think there's been more than enough backlash for the PS3's $600 price for Sony to realize it was not the greatest idea in the world to price it so high. Also, remember the claim that they'll sell 5 million with no games? I think that they've been humbled there, too. As for the Wii, I agree somewhat, but I think it's passing. Remember, the PS2 didn't get any really, truly great games until almost a year after its US launch. That's when MGS2, FFX, and GTAIII came out. But yes, the third one is definitely the worst, IMO, because Microsoft has a history of offering WAY too many variants of the same product (Windows anyone?)mjarantilla

First time I agree with everything you just said mjarantilla.

Especially the first point which is completely true. The only problem is that despite all the backlash Sony still haven't dropped the price. This could be to not show weakness (well actually I'm sure that's gotta be the reason) but it's still quite annoying, especially for people like me who want a PS3 but don't want to pay that much.

Your Wii point...don't you think devs might take the Ubi/EA road and do quick cash ports? I'm hoping we get some high quality titles here and there but I think most games for Wii in the future will either be ports or non gamer titles. Hoping I'm not totally right.

360 Elite is a joke, and MS have no excuse to think they can do what Sony got insulted for by the media all last year.

# 2 is a complete joke. super paper mario, zelda, and warioware are amazing titles, what are you talking about :|

sexy_luigi

Just seems Nintendo haven't completely learnt from their GC mistakes. There's a drought right now (after SPM obviously) till Manhunt 2. 

# 2 is a complete joke. super paper mario, zelda, and warioware are amazing titles, what are you talking about :|

sexy_luigi

 Plus the big 3 haven't been released yet.  Although I agree that devs might see this as an oppurtunity to keep releasing garbage instead of quality games.

Well I disagree with your first two points. Sony obviously can't price their console whatever they want and "get away with it" unless you mean "last place" is getting away with it.

Second, if a Mario platformer isn't a gamer title, I really don't know what is.

Well, I disagree with your last point as well. Why in God's name would Microsoft offer to trade their Elite system for current Core or Premium users? They're getting back a used system that they can't package up and resell on store shelves. That's like giving away free candy, basically. Except that the candy costs nearly $500. And there are 10 million pieces.

Tristam22

1. They've sold 3 million with a $600 price tag! It's insane. It should have sold less. It's annoying too because it just means it will be longer till they drop the price. I know they're not winning yet but what happens when they get their standout titles like GT5, MGSIV, FFXIII etc. The console will still probably be the most expensive, and it will sell extremely well.

2. SPM is good for gamers for sure, but look at the next few months. There is nothing major (for gamers) till Manhunt 2 (I'm not counting No More Heroes since no release date has been officially set). 

3. So it's OK for them to ditch current 360 owners? (I get your point mind you, I just think their business motives are unfair and could come back to bite them in the ***). 

Yes, yes, yes. However, #3 is the worst, IMO. I think there's been more than enough backlash for the PS3's $600 price for Sony to realize it was not the greatest idea in the world to price it so high. Also, remember the claim that they'll sell 5 million with no games? I think that they've been humbled there, too. As for the Wii, I agree somewhat, but I think it's passing. Remember, the PS2 didn't get any really, truly great games until almost a year after its US launch. That's when MGS2, FFX, and GTAIII came out. But yes, the third one is definitely the worst, IMO, because Microsoft has a history of offering WAY too many variants of the same product (Windows anyone?)mjarantilla

i hope the Elite is the last variant they plan on offering 

No. Yes. Yes. 

1. No. Yes, the system is selling pretty well for a $600 system, but comparatively it's lagging behind and Sony is losing a lot of money. Not only that, but the attatch rate isn't very good. Last I had heard it's at just a bit over 1 game per console. Considering Sony's business plan calls for most money to be made through games, I think this is one costly lesson they'll remember for some time to come.

2. Yes. The Wii is lacking in really big titles. There are several great games, IMO, but there's TP and
SPM, and then you get to stuff like Trauma Center and Sonic, which aren't quite on the same level
(Sorry, SEGA, it's true). Hopefully this doesn't lead developers to take the mini-game approach. Will
we see them? Undoubtedly. But hopefully it will end up like the DS and have a strong assortment of
top-tier games.

3. Yes. Elite is the opposite of what Microsoft needs to do. Sales of the 360 have been not-so-great.
It's attempts in Japan have been futile at best. And, to top it all off, there is strong circumstantial
evidence to suggest that the 360 only reached the 10 million mark by MS committing channel stuffing,
meaning that the number sold is significantly lower. So what do they do in face of all this? They create
a machine that is more expensive, more niche, and is basically a stab in the back of early adaptors.
They would be much better off just working to drop the price of the Premium. A $300 Premium is much
more likely to boost sales than a $480 Elite.

all of the true.

 the wii one is the best, the 360 one is the worst, and the ps3 one leaves me rather indifferent. 

# 2 is a complete joke. super paper mario, zelda, and warioware are amazing titles, what are you talking about :|

sexy_luigi

Eh, those are more like Gamecube games ported up to the Wii. Not saying they are bad, but it would be nice to see more original titles. Metroid Prime 3 is the one that I'm waiting for. 

#1: Only a testament to Sony's marketing. They were able to hype the system to the point people thought it was worth $600. Now that people have started to realize there really isn't anything special about it. That would explain why PS3's sold out quickly at launch and then sales started to decline, leading to all the PS3s sitting around in stores.

#2: It won't lead to a lack of variety, Nintendo will never kill their major franchises, so the Wii won't be any worse than the GC. The problem I see would be that if the Wii becomes a true "casual" console that developers start turning out 50 Cent: Bulletproof type games over and over again and that the quality of the average game actually becomes worse.

#3: I don't see a problem with the Elite. Sure its overpriced and expensive, but it's not like MS killed their cheaper options (*ahem* Sony). As for early adapters being "stranded", you bought a 360 full well knowing what was included, if HDMI and a 120gig HDD were that important to you, you wouldn't have bought a 360. Besides, I'm sure EB and Gamestop will offer some sort of trade in deal.

• PS3 has sold 3 million worldwide at such a ridiculously expensive price for a console. This could lead to Sony thinking they can make any price they want for their console and people will still buy it.
  

• Wii is selling so well with little to no major standout (gamer) titles for the system. This could lead devs to believe that the best way to get sales for the Wii is to develop non gamer titles. This could mean a lack of variety for Nintendo loyalists in the future.
  

• 360 Elite is overpriced, and MS thinks they can get away with it. While the PS3 can be labelled as "expensive", the Elite can be labelled as both "expensive" and "overpriced". It's also sad MS have stranded early adopters with reports of faulty hardware. Also sad that they haven't offered a trade in for current 360 owners to the Elite.

Yes/No?

Any of these true? Which one is the worst?

the-very-best

#2- I agree. Though, let's just see what happens when those 3rd party games (original titles, not ports) start comin out and if they do deliver or are just a sign of devs dishing out a half-a**ed game just to take advantage of Wii sales.

#3- I agree for the most part. The Elite doesn't really matter to me, however the 120 HDD by itself is ridiculously expensive. Though, that's MS's own fault, since they completely overpriced the original HDD.

Yes/No?the-very-best

 SONY: PS3 launch was the best in Australia.

 Reality: the worst

 SONY: We sold 170.000 PS3 in UK at launch

 Reality: 34.000

 So I think no. 

#3: I don't see a problem with the Elite. Sure its overpriced and expensive, but it's not like MS killed their cheaper options (*ahem* Sony). As for early adapters being "stranded", you bought a 360 full well knowing what was included, if HDMI and a 120gig HDD were that important to you, you wouldn't have bought a 360. Besides, I'm sure EB and Gamestop will offer some sort of trade in deal.pundog

I can see EB or Gamestop's advertisement right now: hand us your old unit, pony up $460, congratulations on the Elite! 

#1: You'll always have original adoptors of items like the PS3.  The more telling stat is the lowered sales after launch.  That is more indicative of a high price.

#2: Using that logic, devs should be making games solely for casuals, seeing as how they make up most of the market, YET we still see hardcore games being released.  There's no reason to believe only non-gamer games will be developed for the Wii. 

Yeah so farr

PS2/Xbox/GC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wii/360/PS3

THis gen sucks :lol:

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]

Well I disagree with your first two points. Sony obviously can't price their console whatever they want and "get away with it" unless you mean "last place" is getting away with it.

Second, if a Mario platformer isn't a gamer title, I really don't know what is.

Well, I disagree with your last point as well. Why in God's name would Microsoft offer to trade their Elite system for current Core or Premium users? They're getting back a used system that they can't package up and resell on store shelves. That's like giving away free candy, basically. Except that the candy costs nearly $500. And there are 10 million pieces.

the-very-best

1. They've sold 3 million with a $600 price tag! It's insane. It should have sold less. It's annoying too because it just means it will be longer till they drop the price. I know they're not winning yet but what happens when they get their standout titles like GT5, MGSIV, FFXIII etc. The console will still probably be the most expensive, and it will sell extremely well.

2. SPM is good for gamers for sure, but look at the next few months. There is nothing major (for gamers) till Manhunt 2 (I'm not counting No More Heroes since no release date has been officially set).

3. So it's OK for them to ditch current 360 owners? (I get your point mind you, I just think their business motives are unfair and could come back to bite them in the ***).

1. Even the 3DO systems sold an aggregate of 6 million units. They were SEVEN hundred dollars; if you account for inflation, the price would be much higher still. AND they were newbies in the console market, not the leaders of the two previous gens. As for the games, the same can be said for the other consoles: what happens when Wii gets its standout titles, SMG, SSBB, MP3, Big Brain Academy, or what happens when the 360 gets Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, etc.

2. Games like Mario Strikers Charged are gamer games. Certainly non-gamers and casuals don't contribute to the sales. It's hardcore Nintendo fans that are gamers.

3. No, it's not OK, but business is business (it's not as if Sony or Nintendo are angels, either). If I personally owned a 360 (I have one in my apartment, but it's not mine), I still wouldn't care. Hell, I think the 20 GB of space is already more than enough. I'm not some IPTV freak, so I really couldn't care less.  

Yeah so farr

PS2/Xbox/GC>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wii/360/PS3

 

THis gen sucks :lol:

Norg

[QUOTE="pundog"]#3: I don't see a problem with the Elite. Sure its overpriced and expensive, but it's not like MS killed their cheaper options (*ahem* Sony). As for early adapters being "stranded", you bought a 360 full well knowing what was included, if HDMI and a 120gig HDD were that important to you, you wouldn't have bought a 360. Besides, I'm sure EB and Gamestop will offer some sort of trade in deal.asmallchild

I can see EB or Gamestop's advertisement right now: hand us your old unit, pony up $460, congratulations on the Elite! 

[QUOTE="asmallchild"]

[QUOTE="pundog"]#3: I don't see a problem with the Elite. Sure its overpriced and expensive, but it's not like MS killed their cheaper options (*ahem* Sony). As for early adapters being "stranded", you bought a 360 full well knowing what was included, if HDMI and a 120gig HDD were that important to you, you wouldn't have bought a 360. Besides, I'm sure EB and Gamestop will offer some sort of trade in deal.pundog

I can see EB or Gamestop's advertisement right now: hand us your old unit, pony up $460, congratulations on the Elite!

lol they do offer some pretty poor deals 

No. Yes. Yes.

 

1. No. Yes, the system is selling pretty well for a $600 system, but comparatively it's lagging behind and Sony is losing a lot of money. Not only that, but the attatch rate isn't very good. Last I had heard it's at just a bit over 1 game per console. Considering Sony's business plan calls for most money to be made through games, I think this is one costly lesson they'll remember for some time to come.

2. Yes. The Wii is lacking in really big titles. There are several great games, IMO, but there's TP and
SPM, and then you get to stuff like Trauma Center and Sonic, which aren't quite on the same level
(Sorry, SEGA, it's true). Hopefully this doesn't lead developers to take the mini-game approach. Will
we see them? Undoubtedly. But hopefully it will end up like the DS and have a strong assortment of
top-tier games.

3. Yes. Elite is the opposite of what Microsoft needs to do. Sales of the 360 have been not-so-great.
It's attempts in Japan have been futile at best. And, to top it all off, there is strong circumstantial
evidence to suggest that the 360 only reached the 10 million mark by MS committing channel stuffing,
meaning that the number sold is significantly lower. So what do they do in face of all this? They create
a machine that is more expensive, more niche, and is basically a stab in the back of early adaptors.
They would be much better off just working to drop the price of the Premium. A $300 Premium is much
more likely to boost sales than a $480 Elite.

Hoffgod

1. I don't really agree. I think 3 million is sublime for something so expensive and it annoys me because I want a PS3 but don't want to pay that much and even though Sony are lagging behind 360/Wii, the system isn't doing too bad without GT5, MGSIV, FFXIII (standout titles). Then again, a poster pointed out that the backlash from the media over the price will have caused Sony to realise it's not OK to price that high and that's true.

2. Hopefully. I would love it if it the Wii turned out like the DS. I could just be being pessimistic about the idea that it will get an influx of ports/non gamer titles but the reality is that it's very possible.

3. Agreed completely. Another point: the Elite is overpriced but the fact that it's still cheaper than PS3 but offers a bigger hard-drive and a few more features that the PS3 also does may allow future consumers to jump on board, which is really kind of sad since PS3 offers a hell of a lot more for its price. Consumers would be better off buying Premium 360 but the reality is that most will get the "best" option available and to consumers the "best" = most expensive.

EDIT: GS formatting is weird today... 

Yes on all counts as per usual. :P

Back around E2 2006 I got a whiff of a crash coming... it is starting to wreak now... I hope a nice cool wind comes through and changes that.
foxhound_fox

Huh? Fox, surely you don't believe in that nonsense about another video game crash, do you? 

• PS3 has sold 3 million worldwide at such a ridiculously expensive price for a console. This could lead to Sony thinking they can make any price they want for their console and people will still buy it.
  

• Wii is selling so well with little to no major standout (gamer) titles for the system. This could lead devs to believe that the best way to get sales for the Wii is to develop non gamer titles. This could mean a lack of variety for Nintendo loyalists in the future.
  

• 360 Elite is overpriced, and MS thinks they can get away with it. While the PS3 can be labelled as "expensive", the Elite can be labelled as both "expensive" and "overpriced". It's also sad MS have stranded early adopters with reports of faulty hardware. Also sad that they haven't offered a trade in for current 360 owners to the Elite.

Yes/No?

Any of these true? Which one is the worst?

the-very-best

all very good points, though i'd have to say hardcores probably don't mind spending the extra cash to get a 360 elite 

[QUOTE="the-very-best"]

• PS3 has sold 3 million worldwide at such a ridiculously expensive price for a console. This could lead to Sony thinking they can make any price they want for their console and people will still buy it.
  

• Wii is selling so well with little to no major standout (gamer) titles for the system. This could lead devs to believe that the best way to get sales for the Wii is to develop non gamer titles. This could mean a lack of variety for Nintendo loyalists in the future.
  

• 360 Elite is overpriced, and MS thinks they can get away with it. While the PS3 can be labelled as "expensive", the Elite can be labelled as both "expensive" and "overpriced". It's also sad MS have stranded early adopters with reports of faulty hardware. Also sad that they haven't offered a trade in for current 360 owners to the Elite.

Yes/No?

Any of these true? Which one is the worst?

filipinothunder

Yes on all counts as per usual. :P

Back around E2 2006 I got a whiff of a crash coming... it is starting to wreak now... I hope a nice cool wind comes through and changes that.
foxhound_fox

Nah, I don't think the Elite is overpriced. And I think claims of them screwing-over early adoptors are stupid. People ask for HDMI and a larger HDD, but then complain when they get it?kodex1717

i don't think the early adopters were asking for any hardware changes 

[QUOTE="Hoffgod"]

No. Yes. Yes.

1. No. Yes, the system is selling pretty well for a $600 system, but comparatively it's lagging behind and Sony is losing a lot of money. Not only that, but the attatch rate isn't very good. Last I had heard it's at just a bit over 1 game per console. Considering Sony's business plan calls for most money to be made through games, I think this is one costly lesson they'll remember for some time to come.

2. Yes. The Wii is lacking in really big titles. There are several great games, IMO, but there's TP and
SPM, and then you get to stuff like Trauma Center and Sonic, which aren't quite on the same level
(Sorry, SEGA, it's true). Hopefully this doesn't lead developers to take the mini-game approach. Will
we see them? Undoubtedly. But hopefully it will end up like the DS and have a strong assortment of
top-tier games.

3. Yes. Elite is the opposite of what Microsoft needs to do. Sales of the 360 have been not-so-great.
It's attempts in Japan have been futile at best. And, to top it all off, there is strong circumstantial
evidence to suggest that the 360 only reached the 10 million mark by MS committing channel stuffing,
meaning that the number sold is significantly lower. So what do they do in face of all this? They create
a machine that is more expensive, more niche, and is basically a stab in the back of early adaptors.
They would be much better off just working to drop the price of the Premium. A $300 Premium is much
more likely to boost sales than a $480 Elite.

the-very-best

1. I don't really agree. I think 3 million is sublime for something so expensive and it annoys me because I want a PS3 but don't want to pay that much and even though Sony are lagging behind 360/Wii, the system isn't doing too bad without GT5, MGSIV, FFXIII (standout titles). Then again, a poster pointed out that the backlash from the media over the price will have caused Sony to realise it's not OK to price that high and that's true.

2. Hopefully. I would love it if it the Wii turned out like the DS. I could just be being pessimistic about the idea that it will get an influx of ports/non gamer titles but the reality is that it's very possible.

3. Agreed completely. Another point: the Elite is overpriced but the fact that it's still cheaper than PS3 but offers a bigger hard-drive and a few more features that the PS3 also does may allow future consumers to jump on board, which is really kind of sad since PS3 offers a hell of a lot more for its price. Consumers would be better off buying Premium 360 but the reality is that most will get the "best" option available and to consumers the "best" = most expensive.

EDIT: GS formatting is weird today...

1. Even the 3DO systems sold an aggregate of 6 million units. They were SEVEN hundred dollars; if you account for inflation, the price would be much higher still. AND they were newbies in the console market, not the leaders of the two previous gens. As for the games, the same can be said for the other consoles: what happens when Wii gets its standout titles, SMG, SSBB, MP3, Big Brain Academy, or what happens when the 360 gets Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, etc.

2. Games like Mario Strikers Charged are gamer games. Certainly non-gamers and casuals don't contribute to the sales. It's hardcore Nintendo fans that are gamers.

3. No, it's not OK, but business is business (it's not as if Sony or Nintendo are angels, either). If I personally owned a 360 (I have one in my apartment, but it's not mine), I still wouldn't care. Hell, I think the 20 GB of space is already more than enough. I'm not some IPTV freak, so I really couldn't care less.

Tristam22

1. Well, SSBM, MP and SMS didn't do much last gen. Reality is that FF, GT (especially), MGS, GTA are just more popular. Mass Effect and Bioshock aren't system sellers. Not saying they won't sell OK. Halo 3 will allow the 360 to do well for sure, but I doubt it's going to stop people from buying the PS3 since Xbox also had Halo.

2. Mario Strikers Charged? You're excited about that? In any case, I still don't think their relationship with 3rd parties is good enough. The drought atm could have been avoided if they truly learnt from their GC mistakes.

2. I didn't say Sony and Nintendo are angels, but neither of them have done something like the Elite. It's just ridiculous. Then making the HDD add on so expensive...ugh, what's MS thinking? This could really hurt them in the future. 

Huh? Fox, surely you don't believe in that nonsense about another video game crash, do you? Tristam22

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]

1. Even the 3DO systems sold an aggregate of 6 million units. They were SEVEN hundred dollars; if you account for inflation, the price would be much higher still. AND they were newbies in the console market, not the leaders of the two previous gens. As for the games, the same can be said for the other consoles: what happens when Wii gets its standout titles, SMG, SSBB, MP3, Big Brain Academy, or what happens when the 360 gets Halo 3, Mass Effect, Bioshock, etc.

2. Games like Mario Strikers Charged are gamer games. Certainly non-gamers and casuals don't contribute to the sales. It's hardcore Nintendo fans that are gamers.

3. No, it's not OK, but business is business (it's not as if Sony or Nintendo are angels, either). If I personally owned a 360 (I have one in my apartment, but it's not mine), I still wouldn't care. Hell, I think the 20 GB of space is already more than enough. I'm not some IPTV freak, so I really couldn't care less.

the-very-best

1. Well, SSBM, MP and SMS didn't do much last gen. Reality is that FF, GT (especially), MGS, GTA are just more popular. Mass Effect and Bioshock aren't system sellers. Not saying they won't sell OK. Halo 3 will allow the 360 to do well for sure, but I doubt it's going to stop people from buying the PS3 since Xbox also had Halo.

2. Mario Strikers Charged? You're excited about that? In any case, I still don't think their relationship with 3rd parties is good enough. The drought atm could have been avoided if they truly learnt from their GC mistakes.

2. I didn't say Sony and Nintendo are angels, but neither of them have done something like the Elite. It's just ridiculous. Then making the HDD add on so expensive...ugh, what's MS thinking? This could really hurt them in the future.

1. Why do you keep saying SSBM didn't sell well when it was one of the best selling games last gen? Obviously MOST games won't sell terribly well if they're on a system with pathetic sales! There are simply less users to buy those games.

2. Well, I'm a huge football fan and the Cube's Mario Strikers was a fine game, so yes, I'm excited for that. As for the "drought," surely you understand that GOOD games (and not shoddy ports) take more than a year to develop? There was zero confidence in Nintendo until E3, and even then third-parties were apprehensive. It wasn't until recently that third-party exclusives like NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams, Project O, Boogie, Dewy's Adventure, and Project Treasure Island Z were announced. How many exclusive third-party games have been announced for the PS3 post-launch?

3. I actually agree that the Elite could bite them in the ass. One SKU is what's needed. I just don't care one way or the other.  

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]Huh? Fox, surely you don't believe in that nonsense about another video game crash, do you? foxhound_fox

The console industry is SO much larger than in '83; a crash won't happen.

1. Why do you keep saying SSBM didn't sell well when it was one of the best selling games last gen? Obviously MOST games won't sell terribly well if they're on a system with pathetic sales! There are simply less users to buy those games.

2. Well, I'm a huge football fan and the Cube's Mario Strikers was a fine game, so yes, I'm excited for that. As for the "drought," surely you understand that GOOD games (and not shoddy ports) take more than a year to develop? There was zero confidence in Nintendo until E3, and even then third-parties were apprehensive. It wasn't until recently that third-party exclusives like NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams, Project O, Boogie, Dewy's Adventure, and Project Treasure Island Z were announced. How many exclusive third-party games have been announced for the PS3 post-launch?

3. I actually agree that the Elite could bite them in the ass. One SKU is what's needed. I just don't care one way or the other.

Tristam22

1. Calm down, it's just a prediction. And shouldn't the system sell because of the games? People bought the PS2 for GT3 and it ended up selling 15 million copies which is pretty damn good. PS3 will also sell well when GT5 is released. I think SSBB will sell great but I think the top selling Wii games eventually will be non gamer titles.

2. It doesn't change the fact that Nintendo should have worked out some first party titles to come at this time to stop the drought. If they knew 3rd parties were'nt jumping on board initially then that's what they should have done, but they didn't. And as for the 3rd party exclusive Wii games nothing really compares to the 3rd party exclusives for PS3 (MGSIV, FFXIII), and 360 (Mass Effect, Gears of War). I'm sure Wii will be better in the future but the drought atm shouldn't have happened. I don't see a way around that.

3. Agreed, Nintendo got it right straight away. Good to see Sony following in their footsteps. Then there is MS with 3 SKUs in the market... 

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]

1. Why do you keep saying SSBM didn't sell well when it was one of the best selling games last gen? Obviously MOST games won't sell terribly well if they're on a system with pathetic sales! There are simply less users to buy those games.

2. Well, I'm a huge football fan and the Cube's Mario Strikers was a fine game, so yes, I'm excited for that. As for the "drought," surely you understand that GOOD games (and not shoddy ports) take more than a year to develop? There was zero confidence in Nintendo until E3, and even then third-parties were apprehensive. It wasn't until recently that third-party exclusives like NiGHTS: Journey of Dreams, Project O, Boogie, Dewy's Adventure, and Project Treasure Island Z were announced. How many exclusive third-party games have been announced for the PS3 post-launch?

3. I actually agree that the Elite could bite them in the ass. One SKU is what's needed. I just don't care one way or the other.

the-very-best

1. Calm down, it's just a prediction. And shouldn't the system sell because of the games? People bought the PS2 for GT3 and it ended up selling 15 million copies which is pretty damn good. PS3 will also sell well when GT5 is released. I think SSBB will sell great but I think the top selling Wii games eventually will be non gamer titles.

2. It doesn't change the fact that Nintendo should have worked out some first party titles to come at this time to stop the drought. If they knew 3rd parties were'nt jumping on board initially then that's what they should have done, but they didn't. And as for the 3rd party exclusive Wii games nothing really compares to the 3rd party exclusives for PS3 (MGSIV, FFXIII), and 360 (Mass Effect, Gears of War). I'm sure Wii will be better in the future but the drought atm shouldn't have happened. I don't see a way around that.

3. Agreed, Nintendo got it right straight away. Good to see Sony following in their footsteps. Then there is MS with 3 SKUs in the market...

1. The PS2 certainly didn't fly off the shelves at launch because of its games, and it definitely didn't force Sega out of the console market with its early library.

2. I agree Nintendo should've had something big lined up for the next few months, but my question still stands: which system has had more exclusive IPs announced post-launch? Shouldn't it be the PS3 if developers have more confidence in its long-term success? These aren't small fry developers announcing games for the Wii either (Sega, Konami, Capcom, EA). 

1. The PS2 certainly didn't fly off the shelves at launch because of its games, and it definitely didn't force Sega out of the console market with its early library.

2. I agree Nintendo should've had something big lined up for the next few months, but my question still stands: which system has had more exclusive IPs announced post-launch? Shouldn't it be the PS3 if developers have more confidence in its long-term success? These aren't small fry developers announcing games for the Wii either (Sega, Konami, Capcom, EA).

Tristam22

1. What? PS2 didn't sell that well at launch either. It's spike in sales came nearly 2 years after launch.

2. Yes, they should have had something lined up and they didn't. It's good that 3rd parties are jumping on board now though with exclusive IP's but I think the massive sales of Wiisports and upcoming Wii Music will push devs to go the non gamer route. Ubisoft and EA certainly aren't helping with their released/upcoming ports (albeit EA is doing much better than Ubi for Wii). I think there will always be a balance between non gamer and gamer titles thanks to SMG, SSBB and MP3 but I think 3rd party devs will just go for the non gamer route which has me worried that Wii will just be worth playing for Nintendo titles alone, like the GC (Yes, RE4, I know...but the majority). 

#1 Very True, but Technology comes with a price, that's why PS3 is expensive. People may flock to it because of name branding. But one thing that's very attractive about PS3 is Blu-ray. It's cheaper than stand alone, and now that the majority of the movie industry supports this format, and the transition from movie to DVD or BR is getting shorter, things can change or starting to change. For now, BR support is getting stronger. The stronger the support, may provoke more people to buy a BR player or option for a PS3. Right now its still early to tell and DVDs are still top sellers. But without a doubt, BR is getting some kind of recognition. More so than HDDVD.

#2 Very True. Sheep have this delusion that quality "RE4" titles for serious gamers will flock to the Wii. One thing to consider is the Wiimote. Something most 3rd parties are reluctant to flock to. Maybe the "unorthadox" 3rd parties do, but very few conventional ones. EA is a conventional developer, but even thier Madden Wiimote wasn't taken too seriously by the so-called casuals, the same casuals Sheep and Nintendo claim are "attracted" to the Wii. The reason why Wii is picking up steam is the non-gamers, noobs, parents, kids, sheep and gamers are attracted to its simplicity. Like what Apple did with Ipod. It's a good thing for Nintendo redeeming themselves after a 2 generation "hiatus" if you will. But as more non-gamers buy the Wii, it would likely provoke more "unorthadox" devs to create more simplistic games. 1st party games are the selling points of Nintendo consoles. And 3rd parties are a joke, remember what happen to GC. I just don't see how conventional 3rd parties will flock all of sudden to Wii. Remember, the consumers of a particular console are the deciding factors of what specific games come for that console. MS and Sony are targetting the serious conventional gamers with jobs, thats why they have Halo 3, GT5, NG Sigma, DMC4, MGS4, Masseffect, etc. Nintendo blatantly said they're targeting the non-gamers and clueless casuals and expanding the market, that's why they have Wii Sports, Elebits, Brain Age and the 1st party games older gamers grew up with.

#3 Yes Elite is very expensive, but the ones who are benefitting from this are the 360less gamers, like myself. But overrall, it's a reasonable price for those who don;t have one. Yes, 360 is a faulty one, because it was severely rushed out the gates. A bad move for MS but also a good move for MS. Good move because now we have GeoW and more 3rd party support for gamers who actually care.

[QUOTE="Tristam22"]

1. The PS2 certainly didn't fly off the shelves at launch because of its games, and it definitely didn't force Sega out of the console market with its early library.

2. I agree Nintendo should've had something big lined up for the next few months, but my question still stands: which system has had more exclusive IPs announced post-launch? Shouldn't it be the PS3 if developers have more confidence in its long-term success? These aren't small fry developers announcing games for the Wii either (Sega, Konami, Capcom, EA).

the-very-best

1. What? PS2 didn't sell that well at launch either. It's spike in sales came nearly 2 years after launch.

2. Yes, they should have had something lined up and they didn't. It's good that 3rd parties are jumping on board now though with exclusive IP's but I think the massive sales of Wiisports and upcoming Wii Music will push devs to go the non gamer route. Ubisoft and EA certainly aren't helping with their released/upcoming ports (albeit EA is doing much better than Ubi for Wii). I think there will always be a balance between non gamer and gamer titles thanks to SMG, SSBB and MP3 but I think 3rd party devs will just go for the non gamer route which has me worried that Wii will just be worth playing for Nintendo titles alone, like the GC (Yes, RE4, I know...but the majority).

1. PS2 sold out at launch. Don't you remember not being able to find one for months? And the Sony hype train did effectively kill off the Dreamcast.

2. The only game I mentioned that's geared towards non-gamers or casuals is Boogie. That's one for five.

EDIT: Two typos.  

• PS3 has sold 3 million worldwide at such a ridiculously expensive price for a console. This could lead to Sony thinking they can make any price they want for their console and people will still buy it.
  

• Wii is selling so well with little to no major standout (gamer) titles for the system. This could lead devs to believe that the best way to get sales for the Wii is to develop non gamer titles. This could mean a lack of variety for Nintendo loyalists in the future.
  

• 360 Elite is overpriced, and MS thinks they can get away with it. While the PS3 can be labelled as "expensive", the Elite can be labelled as both "expensive" and "overpriced". It's also sad MS have stranded early adopters with reports of faulty hardware. Also sad that they haven't offered a trade in for current 360 owners to the Elite.

Yes/No?

Any of these true? Which one is the worst?

the-very-best

i actually agree 

#1 Very True, but Technology comes with a price, that's why PS3 is expensive. People may flock to it because of name branding. But one thing that's very attractive about PS3 is Blu-ray. It's cheaper than stand alone, and now that the majority of the movie industry supports this format, and the transition from movie to DVD or BR is getting shorter, things can change or starting to change. For now, BR support is getting stronger. The stronger the support, may provoke more people to buy a BR player or option for a PS3. Right now its still early to tell and DVDs are still top sellers. But without a doubt, BR is getting some kind of recognition. More so than HDDVD.

#2 Very True. Sheep have this delusion that quality "RE4" titles for serious gamers will flock to the Wii. One thing to consider is the Wiimote. Something most 3rd parties are reluctant to flock to. Maybe the "unorthadox" 3rd parties do, but very few conventional ones. EA is a conventional developer, but even thier Madden Wiimote wasn't taken too seriously by the so-called casuals, the same casuals Sheep and Nintendo claim are "attracted" to the Wii. The reason why Wii is picking up steam is the non-gamers, noobs, parents, kids, sheep and gamers are attracted to its simplicity. Like what Apple did with Ipod. It's a good thing for Nintendo redeeming themselves after a 2 generation "hiatus" if you will. But as more non-gamers buy the Wii, it would likely provoke more "unorthadox" devs to create more simplistic games. 1st party games are the selling points of Nintendo consoles. And 3rd parties are a joke, remember what happen to GC. I just don't see how conventional 3rd parties will flock all of sudden to Wii. Remember, the consumers of a particular console are the deciding factors of what specific games come for that console. MS and Sony are targetting the serious conventional gamers with jobs, thats why they have Halo 3, GT5, NG Sigma, DMC4, MGS4, Masseffect, etc. Nintendo blatantly said they're targeting the non-gamers and clueless casuals and expanding the market, that's why they have Wii Sports, Elebits, Brain Age and the 1st party games older gamers grew up with.

#3 Yes Elite is very expensive, but the ones who are benefitting from this are the 360less gamers, like myself. But overrall, it's a reasonable price for those who don;t have one. Yes, 360 is a faulty one, because it was severely rushed out the gates. A bad move for MS but also a good move for MS. Good move because now we have GeoW and more 3rd party support for gamers who actually care.

VERTIGO47

You haven't played Elebits, have you? Wii Sports and Brain Age are geared toward non-gamers. Elebits isn't.