its kinda sad that people are losing some of the desire for single player games

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#1 snakeofsolid
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i dunno i kinda regret the fact that multiplayer has become one of the determining factors of a game success ratio, people seem to care less and less about good ol single player romps, words from a gaming geezer i guess lol.

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I love my singleplayer games. Always have.

Many developers these days are using multiplayer as a crutch for failing to deliver a quality singleplayer experience.
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I love my singleplayer games. Always have.

Many developers these days are using multiplayer as a crutch for failing to deliver a quality singleplayer experience.
foxhound_fox

 

thats not true....many games are just made for online game in mind first......

 

Like who actually plays the BF2 singleplayer, or UT04 singleplayer..... 

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there is a lot of pressure to go online.  The forum was full of shock and disappointment because MP3 doesn't do online gameplay
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#5 Michael85
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I love single-player games when they're in context: Killer 7, Final Fantasy XII, and Shadow of the Colossus most noteably.

But the industry is shifting towards a gaming community instead of individual players.  Yes, it's the next myspace.  *shudders* 

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Online helps the game last longer, but truly good single player experiences stick with you longer.
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#7 Eltroz
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I prefer the single player play far more. The style I like best are RPG. I l like long single player stories. If though a game is being put out that is only 10-15 hours gameplay i would like them to add some online play to at least make it more worth the $60 purchase. if I play a RPG that gives 60-70 hours of gameplay with no online I feel it was worth the purchase but a game say 15 hours or below also without online I do not feel it is worth the money.
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#8 foxhound_fox
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thats not true....many games are just made for online game in mind first......

Like who actually plays the BF2 singleplayer, or UT04 singleplayer.....

cobrax75


Me... >_>

Sometimes when my connection goes down I can still play the game. Unlike Day of Defeat Source, with BF2 and UT2004 I still can play the game. :P

Many games that are built around both experiences (not with multiplayer in mind) these days tend to lack a quality singleplayer experiences. I am not implying that all games do this. There are still many competent developers that can deliver both.
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#9 ironcreed
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Completely agreed. The single player is the determining factor in my game purchases. As I have always said....the single player campaign is the heart and soul of the game game itself. Hell, it IS the game. The online should ALWAYS be a bonus that is based off of a strong single player in my opinion, unless the focus is just on making an online only game.
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#10 Riverwolf007
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i dunno i kinda regret the fact that multiplayer has become one of the determining factors of a game success ratio, people seem to care less and less about good ol single player romps, words from a gaming geezer i guess lol.

snakeofsolid
The upside to this is we are already seeing the backlash with a few games concentrating on single player, Bioshock for one but I have seen a few others where the devs are stating they want to provide a good single player experence and not use MP as a crutch to prop up the games they design.
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#11 Funkyhamster
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I love single-player games... as much as multiplayer is fun with friends, I really like games to be 'my own' experience in a way, You know, not involving other people.
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#12 kittykatz5k
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I'm playing trauma center. It's sad that there's people saying everything should have multiplayer... I've heard it all. Zelda should, metroid should, ninja gaidne should... hell I've even heard one idiot say trauma center should. I'm enjoying trauma center more than most games I've played, and pokemon, though has a massive multiplayer, I'm enjoying most riht now as a singleplayer.
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I prefer the single player play far more. The style I like best are RPG. I l like long single player stories. If though a game is being put out that is only 10-15 hours gameplay i would like them to add some online play to at least make it more worth the $60 purchase. if I play a RPG that gives 60-70 hours of gameplay with no online I feel it was worth the purchase but a game say 15 hours or below also without online I do not feel it is worth the money.Eltroz

I agree. 

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I wouldn't have a problem with MP, but I find it repetetive at the end of the day. And I don't wanna pay xbox live so I am stuffed. Single player ftw.
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#15 jasospai
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I prefer the single player play far more. The style I like best are RPG. I l like long single player stories. If though a game is being put out that is only 10-15 hours gameplay i would like them to add some online play to at least make it more worth the $60 purchase. if I play a RPG that gives 60-70 hours of gameplay with no online I feel it was worth the purchase but a game say 15 hours or below also without online I do not feel it is worth the money.Eltroz

I agree completely.

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#16 Medic_B
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i dunno i kinda regret the fact that multiplayer has become one of the determining factors of a game success ratio, people seem to care less and less about good ol single player romps, words from a gaming geezer i guess lol.

snakeofsolid

itz just hard for you to find a single player game that is worth 60 bucks now a days

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#17 OldParr
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whoever plays a game due to its MP should not come here a make contributions about games period.sure MP  is a nice adition but the contribution of making a game epic and deep that always make u think whats gonna happen is something priceless that should not die
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#18 ironcreed
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[QUOTE="snakeofsolid"]

i dunno i kinda regret the fact that multiplayer has become one of the determining factors of a game success ratio, people seem to care less and less about good ol single player romps, words from a gaming geezer i guess lol.

Riverwolf007

The upside to this is we are already seeing the backlash with a few games concentrating on single player, Bioshock for one but I have seen a few others where the devs are stating they want to provide a good single player experence and not use MP as a crutch to prop up the games they design.

So true, and this is the smartest move that any dev can make in my opinion as well. As online should remain a bonus to the single player, which should always be the meat of the game as a whole. Afterall, a game's story is based on the single player campaign, lol. Who wants a rushed, thrown together, patchwork quilt of a game with a shallow story, but great online only?

If they are going to focus only on online with any particular title, they should just make it an online only game....like Warhawk for instance. The devs do not need to shortchange the people who buy a game for the single player experience alone by giving them a rushed 8 hour campaign, but with great online as the main draw, just so they can milk you for more later with downloads. 

Gears of War comes to mind here. That games single player could have been SO much more than it was. Add in a few more levels, weapons, and a few more boss battles, like with BRUMAK for instance, and the game's single player would have been complete in my opinion. As it is though, it is fun, visually stunning, but extremely incomplete, very rushed, and far too short. 

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#19 schu
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single player will make a comeback when ai gets better but for me it just gets too stale, that and any game that i spend a lot of time playing id rather play with someone else...
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#20 Silvereign
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Their's nothing like beating on your friends ina fighting game or grenading one your boys to death or talking trash ot a stranger online. Im sorry but at this rate single player is going to be a thing of the pass. Single player = Practice mode. Multiplayer = The game.
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#21 coreygames
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I would rather have both as an amazing experience or just have one or the other. Just because a game has amazing online, doesn't mean that makes up for the utter crap the single player is. And if a game has a fantastic single player, it should also be looked down on if it has a terrible multiplayer which could have been used for more single-player content (looking at you MP2). Plus, where is the link for MP3:C having no online?
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#22 Marka1700
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I prefer an Epic singleplayer expierience over multipalyer any day.
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I just think when games are going for 70 dollars a pop they need to have excellent single player and online. I don't think any single player game is worth 70 dollars. Thats just my two cents.

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#24 out0v0rder
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yeah it sucks. ALL of my friends WILL NOT play oblivion because there is no multiplayer. thats the only reason. This is what happens when peoples first videogame system ever is the xbox.
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Their's nothing like beating on your friends ina fighting game or grenading one your boys to death or talking trash ot a stranger online. Im sorry but at this rate single player is going to be a thing of the pass. Single player = Practice mode. Multiplayer = The game.Silvereign

 

So you do not want to play games that has a story in which you are the lead character anymore? Because multiplayer has no story, so you must just want storyless multiplayer fighting, racing, sports, and fragfest games, correct? Hell, playing through the story is what gaming is all about for me. To each their own though.

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#26 MarcusFenix07
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Yea its really a consoles fault because it introduces an aspect of gaming that the majority of people like. Damn Microsoft for doing somthing that everyone likes. Next time the Wii should be the only console so we can play games that are marketed for 12 year olds.
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I agree with what other people are saying, the single player is the actual game, online just adds to the experience. A great single player campaign is what makes a great game I reckon.
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#28 freeload
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i dunno i kinda regret the fact that multiplayer has become one of the determining factors of a game success ratio, people seem to care less and less about good ol single player romps, words from a gaming geezer i guess lol.

snakeofsolid

I think single player is as popular as ever but I just think that now we ALSO want multi-player in many of our games.

I think in this day and age that is pretty reasonable...

 

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I definitely look for a solid single player in most games that I buy.  That's why Hellgate: London looks so promising, and engaging single player and kick ass multiplayer to boot. 
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In my opinion SP>MP, being this this way, they should focus more on the SP and leave the MP as a bonus of the ACTUAL game.
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[QUOTE="Silvereign"]Their's nothing like beating on your friends ina fighting game or grenading one your boys to death or talking trash ot a stranger online. Im sorry but at this rate single player is going to be a thing of the pass. Single player = Practice mode. Multiplayer = The game.ironcreed

 

So you do not want to play games that has a story in which you are the lead character anymore? Because multiplayer has no story, so you must just want storyless multiplayer fighting, racing, sports, and fragfest games, correct? Hell, playing through the story is what gaming is all about for me. To each their own though.

I agree with him to a certain extent, but i think single player will always have a big place in most games that arent fighting, shooting, and sports games. Single player will never be obsolete in RPGs, action adventure games, ect.
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MP games are fun, but in the end of the day, a GREAT singleplayer campaign wins out. I'll usually forget an MP game, but if i play a game with a great campaign and story, that will stick with me for years. Hence why i still find Starcraft and CnC's campaigns great and remember them to this day.

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[QUOTE="Silvereign"]Their's nothing like beating on your friends ina fighting game or grenading one your boys to death or talking trash ot a stranger online. Im sorry but at this rate single player is going to be a thing of the pass. Single player = Practice mode. Multiplayer = The game.ironcreed

 

So you do not want to play games that has a story in which you are the lead character anymore? Because multiplayer has no story, so you must just want storyless multiplayer fighting, racing, sports, and fragfest games, correct? Hell, playing through the story is what gaming is all about for me. To each their own though.

 

If I want single player experiences Ill turn to RPGS like FF13 and White Knight story and Oblivion or action games like Heavenly Sword or Ninja Gaiden 2. RTS, Fighting, racing and competitive games can't be competitive without a tough multiplayer mode.

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I 100% agree. Whenever developers focus more on MP than SP, the game's story ALWAYS suffers.
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i'll take a metroid over halo any day. and i SUCK at the prime series, too ;)
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I love my singleplayer games. Always have.

Many developers these days are using multiplayer as a crutch for failing to deliver a quality singleplayer experience.
foxhound_fox


Sadly, there is a lot of truth to this.  Look at Halo 2...the single player was horrid and the game was even nominated one of the most disappointing games of 2004 by GS.  However, many people absolutely love the multiplayer and even play it today.

Then there are those games meant for multiplayer, but let's not talk about them.

I miss the good days when quality singleplayer games were everywhere.
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I can only play single player, once, I need MP as long as its not BAD MP.
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I'm looking forward to Halo 3 SP. Sure I'll play MP, but I'm really hoping Bungie redeems themselves with Halo 3 SP. ..Halo 2 SP was ok.
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Multiplayer for huge replayability boost for the game.  MGS3 was awesome, but MGS3 Subsistence was awesome-er.
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i play mostly single-player, multiplayer is like a nice bonus for me, FPS would die without it though
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[QUOTE="ironcreed"]

[QUOTE="Silvereign"]Their's nothing like beating on your friends ina fighting game or grenading one your boys to death or talking trash ot a stranger online. Im sorry but at this rate single player is going to be a thing of the pass. Single player = Practice mode. Multiplayer = The game.Silvereign

 

So you do not want to play games that has a story in which you are the lead character anymore? Because multiplayer has no story, so you must just want storyless multiplayer fighting, racing, sports, and fragfest games, correct? Hell, playing through the story is what gaming is all about for me. To each their own though.

 

If I want single player experiences Ill turn to RPGS like FF13 and White Knight story and Oblivion or action games like Heavenly Sword or Ninja Gaiden 2. RTS, Fighting, racing and competitive games can't be competitive without a tough multiplayer mode.

wow im actually agreeing with this, but hes right. Certain genres and types of games need multiplayer. Games like Ninja Gaiden, Heavenly Sword, Zelda, RPGS, adventure, platformers, etc dont need multiplayer because thats the type of game they are, they are built on amazing stories and singleplayer.
While shotters, RTS, Fighting, etc can have amazing story but the multiplayer competitive aspect is what makes the game stick out. Are there exceptions yes Bioshock and Metroid Prime 3 dont need mulitplayer because they are more like hybrid shooters. But a Halo, Gears, Unreal, Starcraft, etc needs a multiplayer.
Do some of these games have amazing single player. yes. Halo 1 had one of the best in a FPS. Halo 2 was ok, but the ending sucked. Its a matter of what type of game it is. Personally i enjoy a good mix of both. However the multiplayer games tend to be more fun, because they are more competitive and difficult.   

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I enjoy my singleplayer alot more then Multiplayer. But Multiplayer is just nice to have there for when you pass the game, and you have done just about everything you can do with it.
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[QUOTE="Eltroz"]I prefer the single player play far more. The style I like best are RPG. I l like long single player stories. If though a game is being put out that is only 10-15 hours gameplay i would like them to add some online play to at least make it more worth the $60 purchase. if I play a RPG that gives 60-70 hours of gameplay with no online I feel it was worth the purchase but a game say 15 hours or below also without online I do not feel it is worth the money.matt_r2009

I agree.

singel player FTW

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some of these games have amazing single player. yes. Halo 1 had one of the best in a FPS.jg4xchamp

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#45 Vandalvideo
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The day single player dies is the day that marks my depature from gaming. All my favorite games are single player.
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#46 glitchgeeman
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Personally, I'll take amazing single player with no online over half-assed single player with good online. Of course, I play games like Killer 7, Shadow of the Collossus, and many many RPG's so it's a given that those are single player based.
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[QUOTE="Silvereign"][QUOTE="ironcreed"]

[QUOTE="Silvereign"]Their's nothing like beating on your friends ina fighting game or grenading one your boys to death or talking trash ot a stranger online. Im sorry but at this rate single player is going to be a thing of the pass. Single player = Practice mode. Multiplayer = The game.jg4xchamp

 

So you do not want to play games that has a story in which you are the lead character anymore? Because multiplayer has no story, so you must just want storyless multiplayer fighting, racing, sports, and fragfest games, correct? Hell, playing through the story is what gaming is all about for me. To each their own though.

 

If I want single player experiences Ill turn to RPGS like FF13 and White Knight story and Oblivion or action games like Heavenly Sword or Ninja Gaiden 2. RTS, Fighting, racing and competitive games can't be competitive without a tough multiplayer mode.

wow im actually agreeing with this, but hes right. Certain genres and types of games need multiplayer. Games like Ninja Gaiden, Heavenly Sword, Zelda, RPGS, adventure, platformers, etc dont need multiplayer because thats the type of game they are, they are built on amazing stories and singleplayer.
While shotters, RTS, Fighting, etc can have amazing story but the multiplayer competitive aspect is what makes the game stick out. Are there exceptions yes Bioshock and Metroid Prime 3 dont need mulitplayer because they are more like hybrid shooters. But a Halo, Gears, Unreal, Starcraft, etc needs a multiplayer.
Do some of these games have amazing single player. yes. Halo 1 had one of the best in a FPS. Halo 2 was ok, but the ending sucked. Its a matter of what type of game it is. Personally i enjoy a good mix of both. However the multiplayer games tend to be more fun, because they are more competitive and difficult.

 

Plus nobody likes to play alone....:oops: 

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#48 solidgamer
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it will never happen i hope not