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#1 Nisim19
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"bu bu 57% fail rate"

what cows will say now? its safe to buy a 360 now

falcon also have "only" 10% fail rate like the PS3.

lol now the 360 is more relbele then the PS3.

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#2 wayne_kar
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2% is the avaerge for pretty much all electical goods

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#3 deactivated-5e836a855beb2
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damn, i got a falcon =/
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MS only needed 3 years. Wow?
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#5 NielsNL
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what cows will say now? its safe to buy a 360 now

Nisim19

I don't really care, as long as my 360 keeps working, but that chart seems pretty unreliable. I find it hard to believe the fail rate was under 10% in 2007 before the Falconc chip even launched.

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#6 deactivated-594be627b82ba
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lol like i will believe that, they only want the 360 to not look as bad as it does, they can fool some us but not all of us

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[QUOTE="Nisim19"]

what cows will say now? its safe to buy a 360 now

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I don't really care, as long as my 360 keeps working, but that chart seems pretty unreliable. I find it hard to believe the fail rate was under 10% in 2007 before the Falconc chip even launched.

good point. No ****ing way.
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I don't know why anyone would think this would negate criticisms and complaints, the RROD has already caused significant damage to 360 and its image. A more recent chip isn't going to magically reduce the failure rate of the already existing install base of the old chips.

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#10 dethroned3
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"bu bu 57% fail rate"

what cows will say now? its safe to buy a 360 now

falcon also have "only" 10% fail rate like the PS3.

lol now the 360 is more relbele then the PS3.

Nisim19

posting a random chart doesn't prove jack.

microsoft and numerous other websites have admitted that the failure rate is much higher than what you've posted.

quit being a fanboy. it's a fact that the ps3 is more reliable than the 360.

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#11 darthogre
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Thread failed........X360 was never above 10% failure rate according to you LOL. Why do Lems just lie to themselves? Seriously.....it's like you guys have stock in MS or something.
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And despite all these troubles the COWS love to bring up it still outsells their PS3 easily.

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#13 Communistsheep
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[QUOTE="darthogre"]Thread failed........X360 was never above 10% failure rate according to you LOL. Why do Lems just lie to themselves? Seriously.....it's like you guys have stock in MS or something.

Did you even read it? It says this year.
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Thread failed........X360 was never above 10% failure rate according to you LOL. Why do Lems just lie to themselves? Seriously.....it's like you guys have stock in MS or something.darthogre


I'm pretty sure they just do it for the lulz same with cows and sheep.

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#15 Communistsheep
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I don't know why anyone would think this would negate criticisms and complaints, the RROD has already caused significant damage to 360 and its image. A more recent chip isn't going to magically reduce the failure rate of the already existing install base of the old chips.

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What baffles me is that youstill bring up older subjects to the table. Of course it doesn't negetate it, but the graph shows one hell of a improvement.
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#16 Tasman_basic
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That maxes out at 10% don't cows claim like 50%
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And despite all these troubles the COWS love to bring up it still outsells their PS3 easily.

sexy_robot_man

people get three years warranty, and it was heaps cheaper than the ps3. its only logical that it outsold the ps3.

might not be the cast with the slim.

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[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I don't know why anyone would think this would negate criticisms and complaints, the RROD has already caused significant damage to 360 and its image. A more recent chip isn't going to magically reduce the failure rate of the already existing install base of the old chips.

Communistsheep

What baffles me is that youstill bring up older subjects to the table. Of course it doesn't negetate it, but the graph shows one hell of a improvement.

So uhh.. Hooray for Microsoft taking 3 years to fix a problem that shouldn't have existed in the first place? :roll: Don't get me wrong, its good that RROD has finally been reduced but its nothing to sing about. Besides, a lot of the recent failures aren't RROD and give out an E71 error instead or something like that.

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#19 BoloTheGreat
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I prefer this made up graph;

http://finickypenguin.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/pac_man_pie_chart.jpg

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I love that pie-chart.
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#21 Communistsheep
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[QUOTE="Communistsheep"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I don't know why anyone would think this would negate criticisms and complaints, the RROD has already caused significant damage to 360 and its image. A more recent chip isn't going to magically reduce the failure rate of the already existing install base of the old chips.

manicfoot

What baffles me is that youstill bring up older subjects to the table. Of course it doesn't negetate it, but the graph shows one hell of a improvement.

So uhh.. Hooray for Microsoft taking 3 years to fix a problem that shouldn't have existed in the first place? :roll: Don't get me wrong, its good that RROD has finally been reduced but its nothing to sing about. Besides, a lot of the recent failures aren't RROD and give out an E71 error instead or something like that.

It shouldn't have existed. But kudos to MS for actually putting some effort to reduce the problem to such a low rate. The e71, yeah it happens but it's not a pandemic.
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#22 AnnoyedDragon
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What baffles me is that youstill bring up older subjects to the table. Of course it doesn't negetate it, but the graph shows one hell of a improvement.Communistsheep

Thing is the OP is talking like this does negate it.

"bu bu 57% fail rate"

what cows will say now? its safe to buy a 360 now

falcon also have "only" 10% fail rate like the PS3.

lol now the 360 is more relbele then the PS3.

Nisim19

Hence the criticism.

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#23 adastos
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That maxes out at 10% don't cows claim like 50%Tasman_basic
I always thought 30% was what people would say

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#24 gregbmil
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I've had a falcon for about a year and it's been running flawlessly.

Anyway if you ask me I'm kind of glad my 360 broke down 3 times since Feb of 06. Because back then I paid $400 for it, that was alittle over 3 years. And now 3 and a half years later I still have a new 360 and I did't pay a dime.

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[QUOTE="darthogre"]

I'm pretty sure they just do it for the lulz same with cows and sheep.

fishy_dude

But it's like it's a football game. They are rooting for one side.....ok.
[QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I don't know why anyone would think this would negate criticisms and complaints, the RROD has already caused significant damage to 360 and its image. A more recent chip isn't going to magically reduce the failure rate of the already existing install base of the old chips.

Communistsheep

What baffles me is that youstill bring up older subjects to the table. Of course it doesn't negetate it, but the graph shows one hell of a improvement.

The graph doesn't prove anything! You really believe the failure rate was maxed out at 10%? REALLY?

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Thread failed........X360 was never above 10% failure rate according to you LOL. Why do Lems just lie to themselves? Seriously.....it's like you guys have stock in MS or something.darthogre
Why did cows tout the ridiculous 54% as fact, now they look very very foolish. Its the wonderful circle of life that is SW!!! :D
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[QUOTE="darthogre"]Thread failed........X360 was never above 10% failure rate according to you LOL. Why do Lems just lie to themselves? Seriously.....it's like you guys have stock in MS or something.blue_hazy_basic
Why did cows tout the ridiculous 54% as fact, now they look very very foolish. Its the wonderful circle of life that is SW!!! :D

Yeah but then lemmings turn around and claim the less than 10% as fact with just as little proof.
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[QUOTE="darthogre"]

[QUOTE="fishy_dude"]

[QUOTE="darthogre"] But it's like it's a football game. They are rooting for one side.....ok.[QUOTE="Communistsheep"][QUOTE="AnnoyedDragon"]

I don't know why anyone would think this would negate criticisms and complaints, the RROD has already caused significant damage to 360 and its image. A more recent chip isn't going to magically reduce the failure rate of the already existing install base of the old chips.

What baffles me is that youstill bring up older subjects to the table. Of course it doesn't negetate it, but the graph shows one hell of a improvement.

The graph doesn't prove anything! You really believe the failure rate was maxed out at 10%? REALLY?

I have a feeling that graph is very misleading. The article said last year first year failures was about 4%. It must have a cumulative total that isn't being represented.
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[QUOTE="darthogre"]Thread failed........X360 was never above 10% failure rate according to you LOL. Why do Lems just lie to themselves? Seriously.....it's like you guys have stock in MS or something.Communistsheep
Did you even read it? It says this year.

LOL, do you know how to read graphs? If you claim to be able to read them then tell me why the maxium failure rate is only 10% during the 2nd qtr 2008. That's why this thread has failed. Trying to show a graph to prove that the X360 is 2% while claiming it never went above 10%. Not even MS would try to claim something like that.
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="darthogre"]Thread failed........X360 was never above 10% failure rate according to you LOL. Why do Lems just lie to themselves? Seriously.....it's like you guys have stock in MS or something.Zero_epyon
Why did cows tout the ridiculous 54% as fact, now they look very very foolish. Its the wonderful circle of life that is SW!!! :D

Yeah but then lemmings turn around and claim the less than 10% as fact with just as little proof.

Errr http://www.gamespot.com/news/6216691.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=topstory&tag=topstory;title 23.7% overall failure rate which has plummeted since the introduction of Jasper.
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#31 Malta_1980
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"bu bu 57% fail rate"

what cows will say now? its safe to buy a 360 now

falcon also have "only" 10% fail rate like the PS3.

lol now the 360 is more relbele then the PS3.

Nisim19

so you are happy cause apparently MS managed to reduce the failure rateof their console 4yrs after its release?? I see nothing to brag about here and dont you think its still early to state 360 is now more reliable than Ps3..

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[QUOTE="darthogre"]Thread failed........X360 was never above 10% failure rate according to you LOL. Why do Lems just lie to themselves? Seriously.....it's like you guys have stock in MS or something.blue_hazy_basic
Why did cows tout the ridiculous 54% as fact, now they look very very foolish. Its the wonderful circle of life that is SW!!! :D

what's foolish is that the 360 is the WORSE made console in history- hardware wise.

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#33 InsaneBasura
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"bu bu 57% fail rate"

what cows will say now? its safe to buy a 360 now

falcon also have "only" 10% fail rate like the PS3.

lol now the 360 is more relbele then the PS3.

Nisim19

Those are only the failures which have been caused by the RROD.

And these are only the failures which have been reported to SquareTrade. A number of people have chosen to instead send in their 360 to Microsoft. SquareTrade estimates the actual failure rate to be between 23.7% and 35%.

But yes, the Jasper should be relatively safe to purchase from what you can tell by the ~10 months(?) it has been on the market. The RROD problem appears to have become much less of one. The other assorted problems remain as well, to what degree is unknown.

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#35 darthogre
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I have a feeling that graph is very misleading. The article said last year first year failures was about 4%. It must have a cumulative total that isn't being represented.blue_hazy_basic
Misleading is an understatement. I know the 54% is high and unproveable but come on, everyone can believe 54% before they believe the X360 never went above 10% failure rate......and it currently only is at 2% rofl. This reminds me of the Lems that kept quoting MS saying the X360 is within the 3-5% failure rate.....up until MS admitted it was bogous and started the 3 year warranty.
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="darthogre"]Thread failed........X360 was never above 10% failure rate according to you LOL. Why do Lems just lie to themselves? Seriously.....it's like you guys have stock in MS or something.dethroned3

Why did cows tout the ridiculous 54% as fact, now they look very very foolish. Its the wonderful circle of life that is SW!!! :D

what's foolish is that the 360 is the WORSE made console in history- hardware wise.

The 360 was a mess for the 1st few years, no one sensible would argue that. Same could be said of the PS2. Cows are damage controlling, not by talking about the figures but with silly insults. Would be like someone saying the PS3 has no games, its not 2007 anymore.
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Cows are damage controlling, not by talking about the figures but with silly insults. Would be like someone saying the PS3 has no games, its not 2007 anymore.blue_hazy_basic
PS3 has no games.
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Yeah but then lemmings turn around and claim the less than 10% as fact with just as little proof.Zero_epyon
Errr http://www.gamespot.com/news/6216691.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=topstory&tag=topstory;title 23.7% overall failure rate which has plummeted since the introduction of Jasper.

LOL this is similar to the GI poll only with 6000 more people!

No this a sample taken of machines, rather than a bunch of fanboys voting anonymously on the net. Sorry you can't see the difference. I don't say the study was flawless (far from it), but its MUCH better than an online poll.
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#39 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="Nisim19"]

"bu bu 57% fail rate"

what cows will say now? its safe to buy a 360 now

falcon also have "only" 10% fail rate like the PS3.

lol now the 360 is more relbele then the PS3.

InsaneBasura

Those are only the failures which have been caused by the RROD.

So what the bottom chart says is that even without the rrod the xbox would have failed at least 2-3% more than the PS3 providing that the ps3 and we numbers are correct also.

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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"]Cows are damage controlling, not by talking about the figures but with silly insults. Would be like someone saying the PS3 has no games, its not 2007 anymore.Jandurin
PS3 has no games.

damn you Jandurin! *waves fist ineffectually*
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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Why did cows tout the ridiculous 54% as fact, now they look very very foolish. Its the wonderful circle of life that is SW!!! :Dblue_hazy_basic
Yeah but then lemmings turn around and claim the less than 10% as fact with just as little proof.

Errr http://www.gamespot.com/news/6216691.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=topstory&tag=topstory;title 23.7% overall failure rate which has plummeted since the introduction of Jasper.

oh and you forgot to quote this little nugget in the same report: "SquareTrade does note that many costumers are reporting the RROD error straight to Microsoft, which would bypass the company's statistical data, and says the failure rate of the Xbox 360 could be as high as 35%." Translation.....only MS knows the real number. No one knows the official number but if I had to guess it's higher than what Lems think it is and lower than what cows think it is. But quoting a report that even admits that their numbers could be off by 40% lol.......why is the report even quoted if that is the case.
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They must be exaggerating because that sounds way too High.

j/k :lol:

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[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Errr http://www.gamespot.com/news/6216691.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=topstory&tag=topstory;title 23.7% overall failure rate which has plummeted since the introduction of Jasper.blue_hazy_basic
LOL this is similar to the GI poll only with 6000 more people!

No this a sample taken of machines, rather than a bunch of fanboys voting anonymously on the net. Sorry you can't see the difference. I don't say the study was flawless (far from it), but its MUCH better than an online poll.

But even they admitted the number is not even accurate. If a number is off by 40% how can you say it's "much better". I say the best way to do this is average what cows think it is and what this "lem report" says it is. So 54% and 24%, the average failure rate is 39%......wow that's about as scientific as these people in the report are.
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Figures from independent warranty providers are problematic, especially with 360 since many people will just rather send the console to MS for free repairs, so they never get accounted for. Also, year1? Does that mean it's only failures that happened within 1 year of the purchase?
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Yeah but then lemmings turn around and claim the less than 10% as fact with just as little proof.darthogre
Errr http://www.gamespot.com/news/6216691.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=topstory&tag=topstory;title 23.7% overall failure rate which has plummeted since the introduction of Jasper.

oh and you forgot to quote this little nugget in the same report: "SquareTrade does note that many costumers are reporting the RROD error straight to Microsoft, which would bypass the company's statistical data, and says the failure rate of the Xbox 360 could be as high as 35%." Translation.....only MS knows the real number. No one knows the official number but if I had to guess it's higher than what Lems think it is and lower than what cows think it is. But quoting a report that even admits that their numbers could be off by 40% lol.......why is the report even quoted if that is the case.

Yea its messed up. That graph only represents first year failures, not overall failures and you're right, with the warranties I sure most people called MS, I know I did when mine RROD'd.
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#46 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] LOL this is similar to the GI poll only with 6000 more people!darthogre
No this a sample taken of machines, rather than a bunch of fanboys voting anonymously on the net. Sorry you can't see the difference. I don't say the study was flawless (far from it), but its MUCH better than an online poll.

But even they admitted the number is not even accurate. If a number is off by 40% how can you say it's "much better". I say the best way to do this is average what cows think it is and what this "lem report" says it is. So 54% and 24%, the average failure rate is 39%......wow that's about as scientific as these people in the report are.

Because they are using actual data rather than unknown people voting on a poll. I didn't say it was accurate at all, or that it should be used as fact (or that lems should be quoting it). BUT its is a better source than an online poll, and hopefully it will stop people using that stupid 54% nonsense.
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#47 InsaneBasura
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[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

[QUOTE="Nisim19"]

"bu bu 57% fail rate"

what cows will say now? its safe to buy a 360 now

falcon also have "only" 10% fail rate like the PS3.

lol now the 360 is more relbele then the PS3.

Zero_epyon

Those are only the failures which have been caused by the RROD.

So what the bottom chart says is that even without the rrod the xbox would have failed at least 2-3% more than the PS3 providing that the ps3 and we numbers are correct also.

The chart includes all Xbox 360 models I believe. Don't think it specifically says, but that's what I assume anyway. So older, ****tier models would bring the numbers up. I genuinely believe the Jasper has a failure rate close to that of the PS3, which is still much too high though.

If you're still using an older model (especially the Zephyr), prepare for it to die, it's just a matter of time. Only thing you can do is hope for it to happen before the warranty runs out.

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[QUOTE="darthogre"][QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"] Errr http://www.gamespot.com/news/6216691.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=topstory&tag=topstory;title 23.7% overall failure rate which has plummeted since the introduction of Jasper.blue_hazy_basic
oh and you forgot to quote this little nugget in the same report: "SquareTrade does note that many costumers are reporting the RROD error straight to Microsoft, which would bypass the company's statistical data, and says the failure rate of the Xbox 360 could be as high as 35%." Translation.....only MS knows the real number. No one knows the official number but if I had to guess it's higher than what Lems think it is and lower than what cows think it is. But quoting a report that even admits that their numbers could be off by 40% lol.......why is the report even quoted if that is the case.

Yea its messed up. That graph only represents first year failures, not overall failures and you're right, with the warranties I sure most people called MS, I know I did when mine RROD'd.

is it safe to assume those who get RROD from now on, their consoles are replaced with the latest Jasper chip?

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#49 Zero_epyon
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[QUOTE="blue_hazy_basic"][QUOTE="Zero_epyon"] Yeah but then lemmings turn around and claim the less than 10% as fact with just as little proof.darthogre
Errr http://www.gamespot.com/news/6216691.html?om_act=convert&om_clk=topstory&tag=topstory;title 23.7% overall failure rate which has plummeted since the introduction of Jasper.

oh and you forgot to quote this little nugget in the same report: "SquareTrade does note that many costumers are reporting the RROD error straight to Microsoft, which would bypass the company's statistical data, and says the failure rate of the Xbox 360 could be as high as 35%." Translation.....only MS knows the real number. No one knows the official number but if I had to guess it's higher than what Lems think it is and lower than what cows think it is. But quoting a report that even admits that their numbers could be off by 40% lol.......why is the report even quoted if that is the case.

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#50 blue_hazy_basic  Moderator
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[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"]

[QUOTE="Zero_epyon"]

[QUOTE="InsaneBasura"] Those are only the failures which have been caused by the RROD.

So what the bottom chart says is that even without the rrod the xbox would have failed at least 2-3% more than the PS3 providing that the ps3 and we numbers are correct also.

The chart includes all Xbox 360 models I believe. Don't think it specifically says, but that's what I assume anyway. So older, ****tier models would bring the numbers up. I genuinely believe the Jasper has a failure rate close to that of the PS3, which is still much too high though.

If you're still using an older model (especially the Zephyr), prepare for it to die, it's just a matter of time. Only thing you can do is hope for it to happen before the warranty runs out.

Its only first year failure rates. So it would only be Jasper models included at the end.