John Carmack:You need a 3.68 Teraflop GPU to match PS4's GPU

Who cares consoles were designed for gaming when in fact they are weak hardware wise. O yes consoles do run at lower settings, why to consoles run games below 720 resolution, have washed out textures have performance issues etc. it because they are weak and same era pc hardware matched and or surpassed what the consoles can do then. and this upcoming gen at the start is multiple times slower hardware wise not even being on par. 04dcarraher

So idiots (cows) are still doing their circle jerk, I see! 1.84 teraflops weaksauce APU really gone to their head. I feel sorry for them.:(

So idiots (cows) are still doing their circle jerk, I see! 1.84 teraflops weaksauce APU really gone to their head. I feel sorry for them.:(

zeeshanhaider

fvckin' heewee is back....murder his connection

[QUOTE="zeeshanhaider"]

So idiots (cows) are still doing their circle jerk, I see! 1.84 teraflops weaksauce APU really gone to their head. I feel sorry for them.:(

NonBiasOwnage

I can feel your pain. But that's what happens when you allow companies to invest more in marketing than the product it self. No SLI 690's for you.:( But anyways, good luck being stuck with the already outdated 1.84 teraflops weaksauce APU till 2025.:cool:

and how long will it be before we see them actually come to fruition? 

Consoles are more optimised but launch games always look crap compared to later on so it's still really early days yet

seanmcloughlin

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

and how long will it be before we see them actually come to fruition? 

Consoles are more optimised but launch games always look crap compared to later on so it's still really early days yet

harry_james_pot

and new tech and visual effects will be out by then, causing the consoles to scale back and slice out some things in order to maintain 1080p or 60fps...the cycle continues

I suppose that SW is in many ways not for Hermits.

Any degree of indepth discussion is usually doomed ;)

Who cares consoles were designed for gaming when in fact they are weak hardware wise. O yes consoles do run at lower settings, why to consoles run games below 720 resolution, have washed out textures have performance issues etc. it because they are weak and same era pc hardware matched and or surpassed what the consoles can do then. and this upcoming gen at the start is multiple times slower hardware wise not even being on par. 04dcarraher

Find me a 7800GTX 256MB  running Crysis 3 at PS3 level.

Or a X1800 running it like the xbox 360.

But but Cell..:lol:

The xbox 360 for $299 gave you graphics superior to those found on a $500 dollar GPU at the time,and that was just the GPU you still need it a PC to put it..

Still bitter that your 560TI will not be a match for the PS4..:lol:

Have a nice time upgrading after upgrading 2 years ago..

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Who cares consoles were designed for gaming when in fact they are weak hardware wise. O yes consoles do run at lower settings, why to consoles run games below 720 resolution, have washed out textures have performance issues etc. it because they are weak and same era pc hardware matched and or surpassed what the consoles can do then. and this upcoming gen at the start is multiple times slower hardware wise not even being on par. tormentos

Find me a 7800GTX 256MB  running Crysis 3 at PS3 level.

Or a X1800 running it like the xbox 360.

But but Cell..:lol:

The xbox 360 for $299 gave you graphics superior to those found on a $500 dollar GPU at the time,and that was just the GPU you still need it a PC to put it..

Still bitter that your 560TI will not be a match for the PS4..:lol:

Have a nice time upgrading after upgrading 2 years ago..

2010 GPU :)

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="pcgamingowns"] fact crysis 2 lowest settings on pc lol still looks better than ps3/360 you cant even possibly make it look as bad as 360/ps3 versions with the ingame settings04dcarraher

Both of those GPU are more advance than the 360 and PS3 one,they came latter on as refresh..

IN the 8800GT case is more than 2 years newer than the 7800,adn 2 lines over the 7800GTX.

7800.

7900

8800.

Compare the 2.7 TF 5870 vs the 1.76 TF 7850 and tell me what you found,different hardwares mean different performances.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Who cares consoles were designed for gaming when in fact they are weak hardware wise. O yes consoles do run at lower settings, why to consoles run games below 720 resolution, have washed out textures have performance issues etc. it because they are weak and same era pc hardware matched and or surpassed what the consoles can do then. and this upcoming gen at the start is multiple times slower hardware wise not even being on par. AMD655

Find me a 7800GTX 256MB  running Crysis 3 at PS3 level.

Or a X1800 running it like the xbox 360.

But but Cell..:lol:

The xbox 360 for $299 gave you graphics superior to those found on a $500 dollar GPU at the time,and that was just the GPU you still need it a PC to put it..

Still bitter that your 560TI will not be a match for the PS4..:lol:

Have a nice time upgrading after upgrading 2 years ago..

2010 GPU :)

Re read what i request.

Random pimple faced virgin hermits>>>well established developersNonBiasOwnage

[QUOTE="NonBiasOwnage"]Random pimple faced virgin hermits>>>well established developersGioVela2010

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] try playing crysis 2 with a 8800 gt with 256 mb of vram and 256 mb of ram for the system and YOU let me know how it plays out for you ;) tormentos

Both of those GPU are more advance than the 360 and PS3 one,they came latter on as refresh..

IN the 8800GT case is more than 2 years newer than the 7800,adn 2 lines over the 7800GTX.

7800.

7900

8800.

Compare the 2.7 TF 5870 vs the 1.76 TF 7850 and tell me what you found,different hardwares mean different performances.

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Who cares consoles were designed for gaming when in fact they are weak hardware wise. O yes consoles do run at lower settings, why to consoles run games below 720 resolution, have washed out textures have performance issues etc. it because they are weak and same era pc hardware matched and or surpassed what the consoles can do then. and this upcoming gen at the start is multiple times slower hardware wise not even being on par. AMD655

Find me a 7800GTX 256MB  running Crysis 3 at PS3 level.

Or a X1800 running it like the xbox 360.

But but Cell..:lol:

The xbox 360 for $299 gave you graphics superior to those found on a $500 dollar GPU at the time,and that was just the GPU you still need it a PC to put it..

Still bitter that your 560TI will not be a match for the PS4..:lol:

Have a nice time upgrading after upgrading 2 years ago..

2010 GPU :)

Are you able to post Crysis screens without horrible amounts of DOF and a sh!tty TOD?

Are you able to be positive?

Are you able to be positive?

AMD655

:|

[spoiler] No [/spoiler]

How about you post a game that actually looks good and not one that looks like a game from 2007 with lots of foliage.

The x1950pro was not even unified shader based it had a fixed 8 vertex and 36 pixel processors and only operated at 248 GFLOPS and used GDDR3 it was not more advanced then the Xenos in the 360 and was developed in 2005 and finished in mid 2006 AMD had to hold back the x1800 series months to fix a design flaw, and was still released before the 8800GT. As you know the PS3 is using a gimped G70 chip aka 7800, that its performance lies around 7800GS levels. Until the Cell was used to off load shader intensive jobs the PS3 was sub par even compared to a normal 7800. Comparing one gpu architecture to another that are not even related (based on same foundation) is not the way to compare their processing abilities. also should note that AMD stopped theoretical performances with their 6000 series. However your purposely ignoring the fact the PS4 gpu is GCN based which means you can directly compare its processing performance with other GCN based gpu's. and that means that the PS4 gpu falls behind the 7870 and falls flat on its face when compared to 7870XT, 7950 or 7970GE. 04dcarraher

Dude even the 7900GTX was stronger than the Xenos and wasn't unified shader,the fact that a GPU wasn't US doesn't mean it wasn't as powerful the X1950 was a refresh done more than a year after the Xenos was done.

And the 8800GT 2 years after,even more vs the PS3 which used a gimped 7800 from summer 2005.

The PS4 GPU is full HSA,is on the same die as the CPU which completely eliminate copy paste that gos between CPU and GPU on PC,lower latency,and increase efficiency,not only that the PS4 GPU bandwidth is actually faster than the 7870...:lol:

When all is say and done the 7870 specially teh 2GB version will have great problems staying close to the PS4,you can deny this all day it will not change.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]  tormentos

Dude even the 7900GTX was stronger than the Xenos and wasn't unified shader,the fact that a GPU wasn't US doesn't mean it wasn't as powerful the X1950 was a refresh done more than a year after the Xenos was done.

And the 8800GT 2 years after,even more vs the PS3 which used a gimped 7800 from summer 2005.

The PS4 GPU is full HSA,is on the same die as the CPU which completely eliminate copy paste that gos between CPU and GPU on PC,lower latency,and increase efficiency,not only that the PS4 GPU bandwidth is actually faster than the 7870...:lol:

When all is say and done the 7870 specially teh 2GB version will have great problems staying close to the PS4,you can deny this all day it will not change.

 The Geforce 7's didnt handle shader heavy work loads as well as the Xenos, The only way the 7 series out did the Xenos was when the game/s was not shader heavy, and or the Xenos lack of memory bandwidth held it back. Again your ignoring the fact I stated about the X1800 and x1900's. :lol: why are you using a 8800GT? The Geforce 8 series started with the 8800GTX which released the same week as the PS3 and was only one year after the 360.

Its so funny you keep on using the HSA as an excuse to make the PS4 "look better" when AMD is giving out HSA support to 7000 series it does not matter how efficient  you think HSA is because it will not allow the PS4 to out perform an intel quad or AMD 8 core cpu with a 7870. and also just to let you know that it dont matter if a gpu has 2gb because the gpu always dumps what it does not need for new  texture data from the system memory or hdd.

[QUOTE="GioVela2010"][QUOTE="NonBiasOwnage"]Random pimple faced virgin hermits>>>well established developerspcgamingowns

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"] lol agreedGioVela2010

I don't understand those who are saying PC gaming is difficult. 
Steam basically installs, updates, and configures your games for you when you install them. It works about the same way as a console, especially if you use big picture and hook your pc up to a tv. Drivers are usually auto updated if its necessary for a new game. I probably spend less time doing this than my ps3 takes downloading updates. 

I have a system that has Fx-6300, 7870,8gig ram, in a small case with a 2tb hard drive. I use a wireless 360 controller to play games. Their really are no differences except I turn on the pc instead of the xbox. I don't hate consoles but I just got sick of having to keep so many boxes hooked up to my tv if I want to play older games. Right now I have 360,ps3, wii u, and a gaming pc hooked up to my tv. I've been slowly rebuying my games on pc(most are available on steam) during the sales for a couple bucks each in hopes of not having to keep 360 and PS3 hooked up. It looks like next gen is even going to be more pc friendly.

I'm confident my current pc will keep up with the ps4(or at least the x1) for a few years or maybe the whole gen. Price was a little under $600. Even if I upgrade my card to another $200 graphics card in a few years(CPU should be good for a while) I will still probably save more than the consoles with the cheaper games and no online fees.

I was a console guy until the 360 controller came out. Most major games just work with it(never been a keyboard/mouse guy). I don't see any downside, just benefits. 

I don't understand those who are saying PC gaming is difficult. 
Steam basically installs, updates, and configures your games for you when you install them. It works about the same way as a console, especially if you use big picture and hook your pc up to a tv. Drivers are usually auto updated if its necessary for a new game. I probably spend less time doing this than my ps3 takes downloading updates. 

I have a system that has Fx-6300, 7870,8gig ram, in a small case with a 2tb hard drive. I use a wireless 360 controller to play games. Their really are no differences except I turn on the pc instead of the xbox. I don't hate consoles but I just got sick of having to keep so many boxes hooked up to my tv if I want to play older games. Right now I have 360,ps3, wii u, and a gaming pc hooked up to my tv. I've been slowly rebuying my games on pc(most are available on steam) during the sales for a couple bucks each in hopes of not having to keep 360 and PS3 hooked up. It looks like next gen is even going to be more pc friendly.

I'm confident my current pc will keep up with the ps4(or at least the x1) for a few years or maybe the whole gen. Price was a little under $600. Even if I upgrade my card to another $200 graphics card in a few years(CPU should be good for a while) I will still probably save more than the consoles with the cheaper games and no online fees.

I was a console guy until the 360 controller came out. Most major games just work with it(never been a keyboard/mouse guy). I don't see any downside, just benefits. 

unreal223

Oh yeah. In my experience, it's not even a question that I spend a lot more time waiting for updates to install on my PS3 than on my PC.  

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Who cares consoles were designed for gaming when in fact they are weak hardware wise. O yes consoles do run at lower settings, why to consoles run games below 720 resolution, have washed out textures have performance issues etc. it because they are weak and same era pc hardware matched and or surpassed what the consoles can do then. and this upcoming gen at the start is multiple times slower hardware wise not even being on par. AMD655

Find me a 7800GTX 256MB  running Crysis 3 at PS3 level.

Or a X1800 running it like the xbox 360.

But but Cell..:lol:

The xbox 360 for $299 gave you graphics superior to those found on a $500 dollar GPU at the time,and that was just the GPU you still need it a PC to put it..

Still bitter that your 560TI will not be a match for the PS4..:lol:

Have a nice time upgrading after upgrading 2 years ago..

2010 GPU :)

[QUOTE="unreal223"]

I don't understand those who are saying PC gaming is difficult. 
Steam basically installs, updates, and configures your games for you when you install them. It works about the same way as a console, especially if you use big picture and hook your pc up to a tv. Drivers are usually auto updated if its necessary for a new game. I probably spend less time doing this than my ps3 takes downloading updates. 

I have a system that has Fx-6300, 7870,8gig ram, in a small case with a 2tb hard drive. I use a wireless 360 controller to play games. Their really are no differences except I turn on the pc instead of the xbox. I don't hate consoles but I just got sick of having to keep so many boxes hooked up to my tv if I want to play older games. Right now I have 360,ps3, wii u, and a gaming pc hooked up to my tv. I've been slowly rebuying my games on pc(most are available on steam) during the sales for a couple bucks each in hopes of not having to keep 360 and PS3 hooked up. It looks like next gen is even going to be more pc friendly.

I'm confident my current pc will keep up with the ps4(or at least the x1) for a few years or maybe the whole gen. Price was a little under $600. Even if I upgrade my card to another $200 graphics card in a few years(CPU should be good for a while) I will still probably save more than the consoles with the cheaper games and no online fees.

I was a console guy until the 360 controller came out. Most major games just work with it(never been a keyboard/mouse guy). I don't see any downside, just benefits. 

kalipekona

Oh yeah. In my experience, it's not even a question that I spend a lot more time waiting for updates to install on my PS3 than on my PC.  

I have 4-5 games on Steam that won't launch, zero games that wont launch on Wii, Xbox 360, PS3, or Wii UGioVela2010

I haven't had any issues like that. I don't doubt that its possible though. However games on consoles have issues all the time as well. There are bugs where save games get erased, games crashing, ect. A very large percentage of console games now have to be patched multiple times to work. Sometimes even taking months after release until they are fixed. Just look at skyrim on ps3 for a glaring example. Hell sony just bricked a bunch of consoles a few weeks ago with their own firmware update. I wasn't affected though.

Point is that everything could potentially have some issues. However the pc isn't any more difficult than console gaming anymore. Right now my pc blows away current console graphics, games are cheaper, and I can log in on my laptop play some games and then have my save game synced to my gaming pc instantly through steam. I travel a lot for work. I can literally play a game on my laptop(with a xbox controller) and then pick up on my pc where I left off when I get home. That is a huge benefit to pc gaming in my opinion and its easy and automatic. The next consoles may match or eventually beat my pc after a while but its not going to be more expensive to buy a new card than it will to get a console, pay more for games, and then pay online fees every year. 

I don't really have to choose though. I may buy a ps4/xbox1 eventually but I have a wii u already and a gaming pc so I don't feel all that compelled by whats been shown so far. 

try owning 5 gaming rigspcgamingowns

Why?

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] :lol: there has already been examples of even older and weaker gpu's then 8800GT running crysis 2 at same setting as 360 with higher resolution . aka the x1950pro and its not even unified shader based. 04dcarraher

Both of those GPU are more advance than the 360 and PS3 one,they came latter on as refresh..

IN the 8800GT case is more than 2 years newer than the 7800,adn 2 lines over the 7800GTX.

7800.

7900

8800.

Compare the 2.7 TF 5870 vs the 1.76 TF 7850 and tell me what you found,different hardwares mean different performances.

Yes because Windows overhead and being able to code right to the metal means nothing, please STFU ill take JC word over you. 

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

Both of those GPU are more advance than the 360 and PS3 one,they came latter on as refresh..

 

IN the 8800GT case is more than 2 years newer than the 7800,adn 2 lines over the 7800GTX.

 

7800.

7900

8800.

 

Compare the 2.7 TF 5870 vs the 1.76 TF 7850 and tell me what you found,different hardwares mean different performances.

AM-Gamer

Yes because Windows overhead and being able to code right to the metal means nothing, please STFU ill take JC word over you. 

Not really, no.

A GTX 7800 512 could run Oblivion in 1600x1200 at playlable frames while PS3 could only do 720p. (1280x720)

I suppose with some "optimization magic" the PS4 will eventually produce better-looking games than a HD 7850 in a PC would, but it will take some time for that to happen and by then PC will already be on another level.

[QUOTE="AM-Gamer"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] The x1950pro was not even unified shader based it had a fixed 8 vertex and 36 pixel processors and only operated at 248 GFLOPS and used GDDR3 it was not more advanced then the Xenos in the 360 and was developed in 2005 and finished in mid 2006 AMD had to hold back the x1800 series months to fix a design flaw, and was still released before the 8800GT. As you know the PS3 is using a gimped G70 chip aka 7800, that its performance lies around 7800GS levels. Until the Cell was used to off load shader intensive jobs the PS3 was sub par even compared to a normal 7800. Comparing one gpu architecture to another that are not even related (based on same foundation) is not the way to compare their processing abilities. also should note that AMD stopped theoretical performances with their 6000 series. However your purposely ignoring the fact the PS4 gpu is GCN based which means you can directly compare its processing performance with other GCN based gpu's. and that means that the PS4 gpu falls behind the 7870 and falls flat on its face when compared to 7870XT, 7950 or 7970GE. pcgamingowns

Yes because Windows overhead and being able to code right to the metal means nothing, please STFU ill take JC word over you. 

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

 

Both of those GPU are more advance than the 360 and PS3 one,they came latter on as refresh..

 

IN the 8800GT case is more than 2 years newer than the 7800,adn 2 lines over the 7800GTX.

 

7800.

7900

8800.

 

Compare the 2.7 TF 5870 vs the 1.76 TF 7850 and tell me what you found,different hardwares mean different performances.

AM-Gamer

Yes because Windows overhead and being able to code right to the metal means nothing, please STFU ill take JC word over you. 

 

 The Geforce 7's didnt handle shader heavy work loads as well as the Xenos, The only way the 7 series out did the Xenos was when the game/s was not shader heavy, and or the Xenos lack of memory bandwidth held it back. Again your ignoring the fact I stated about the X1800 and x1900's. :lol: why are you using a 8800GT? The Geforce 8 series started with the 8800GTX which released the same week as the PS3 and was only one year after the 360.

Its so funny you keep on using the HSA as an excuse to make the PS4 "look better" when AMD is giving out HSA support to 7000 series it does not matter how efficient  you think HSA is because it will not allow the PS4 to out perform an intel quad or AMD 8 core cpu with a 7870. and also just to let you know that it dont matter if a gpu has 2gb because the gpu always dumps what it does not need for new  texture data from the system memory or hdd.

04dcarraher

Find me an X1800 or a 7800 GTX running Crysis 3 like the PS3 then we talk.

Why i am use the 8800GT because it was you who use it moron,go back a few post when i first quote you and look at the GPU you name,you did not name the 8800GTX you named the 8800GT.

And the 8800GTX cost as much as a $500 dollar PS3,and was a more advance series again.

7800 -PS3

7900

8800.

Once again is like comparing the 5870 vs the 7870.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/548?vs=511

Since you refuse to admit it,the 5870 vs the 7870 both GPU are 2.7 TF yet they don't perform the same,hell the 5870 has more stream processors 1600 vs the 7870 1280,and still the 7870 beat it why.?

Is call better more efficient hardware,so the 8800GTX it has to be stronger than the 7800 by default,it was 2 series over it,and while the 8800GTX came on 2006 with the PS3,it doesn't change the fact that the PS3 use a gimped summer 2005 GPU.

You are as dumb as Ronvalencia HSA is a design,without hUMA is not true HSA,so tell me what PC has hUMA now.?

You need both GPU and CPU with a unified memory address,on PC that doesn't exist unless you talk about current APU which are weak compare to the PS4,and they are based on DDR3 which is good for the CPU but not as good for the GPU part of the APU.

HSA is not something you turn on with a driver,how the fu** do you think a driver will change how corrent memory work on your PC.?

Will a driver make your board behave as if it has a single poll of ram,how would that work while using 2 different memory setups.?

The idea behind hUMA is quite simple; the CPU and GPU share memory resources, they are able to use pointers to access data that has been processed by either one or the other, and the GPU can take page faults and not rely only on page locked memory.  Memory in this case is bi-directionally coherent, so coherency issues with data in caches which are later written to main memory will not cause excessive waits for either the CPU or GPU to utilize data that has been changed in cache, but not yet written to main memory.

Current APUs work by partitioning off a chunk of main memory and holding onto it for dear life.  Some memory can be dynamically allocated, depending on the architecture we are dealing with.  Typically upon boot the integrated graphics will partition off a section of memory and keep it for its own.  The CPU cannot address that memory, and in fact it appears gone for all intents and purposes.  hUMA will change this.  The entire memory space will be available to both the CPU and GPU, and they end up sharing this resource just as another CPU with full coherency would with the primary CPU.  This not only applies to the physical memory, but also to the virtual memory space.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Details-hUMA-HSA-Action

Even i was wrong current APU on PC..

Now can we stop acting like HSA will be something that you turn on with a driver.?

There are more games on consoles been done now in HSA maner,than those on PC which i suspect are zero.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

 

 The Geforce 7's didnt handle shader heavy work loads as well as the Xenos, The only way the 7 series out did the Xenos was when the game/s was not shader heavy, and or the Xenos lack of memory bandwidth held it back. Again your ignoring the fact I stated about the X1800 and x1900's. :lol: why are you using a 8800GT? The Geforce 8 series started with the 8800GTX which released the same week as the PS3 and was only one year after the 360.

Its so funny you keep on using the HSA as an excuse to make the PS4 "look better" when AMD is giving out HSA support to 7000 series it does not matter how efficient  you think HSA is because it will not allow the PS4 to out perform an intel quad or AMD 8 core cpu with a 7870. and also just to let you know that it dont matter if a gpu has 2gb because the gpu always dumps what it does not need for new  texture data from the system memory or hdd.

tormentos

You are as dumb as Ronvalencia HSA is a design,without hUMA is not true HSA,so tell me what PC has hUMA now.?

You need both GPU and CPU with a unified memory address,on PC that doesn't exist unless you talk about current APU which are weak compare to the PS4,and they are based on DDR3 which is good for the CPU but not as good for the GPU part of the APU.

HSA is not something you turn on with a driver,how the fu** do you think a driver will change how corrent memory work on your PC.?

Will a driver make your board behave as if it has a single poll of ram,how would that work while using 2 different memory setups.?

The idea behind hUMA is quite simple; the CPU and GPU share memory resources, they are able to use pointers to access data that has been processed by either one or the other, and the GPU can take page faults and not rely only on page locked memory.  Memory in this case is bi-directionally coherent, so coherency issues with data in caches which are later written to main memory will not cause excessive waits for either the CPU or GPU to utilize data that has been changed in cache, but not yet written to main memory.

Current APUs work by partitioning off a chunk of main memory and holding onto it for dear life.  Some memory can be dynamically allocated, depending on the architecture we are dealing with.  Typically upon boot the integrated graphics will partition off a section of memory and keep it for its own.  The CPU cannot address that memory, and in fact it appears gone for all intents and purposes.  hUMA will change this.  The entire memory space will be available to both the CPU and GPU, and they end up sharing this resource just as another CPU with full coherency would with the primary CPU.  This not only applies to the physical memory, but also to the virtual memory space.

http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Processors/AMD-Details-hUMA-HSA-Action

Even i was wrong current APU on PC..

Now can we stop acting like HSA will be something that you turn on with a driver.?

There are more games on consoles been done now in HSA maner,than those on PC which i suspect are zero.

Consoles are more advanced than PCs as far as unified CPU/GPU (APU) and RAM tech is regarded.

But one has to consider that most PC gamers rather use a discrete GPU + CPU combo as it's more powerful than the best APUs out there.

But eventually we will see high-powered APUs on the PC too.

 

 

Consoles are more advanced than PCs as far as unified CPU/GPU (APU) and RAM tech is regarded.

But one has to consider that most PC gamers rather use a discrete GPU + CPU combo as it's more powerful than the best APUs out there.

But eventually we will see high-powered APUs on the PC too.

nameless12345

Oh for sure i did  not argue that.

PC will stay on top even without HSA,but the PS4 will be able to do some thing that the 7870 GPU will not in the end,thanks to having efficient design,HSA, and several other advantages it has over PC.

The PS3 GPU beat the 7800GTX,even that the GPU inside the PS3 is actually weaker than a 7800GTX,with almost half the bandwidth,lower ROP count and half the memory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VtkuNmOdRHQ&feature=youtu.be

Dat power.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] try playing crysis 2 with a 8800 gt with 256 mb of vram and 256 mb of ram for the system and YOU let me know how it plays out for you ;) tormentos

Both of those GPU are more advance than the 360 and PS3 one,they came latter on as refresh..

IN the 8800GT case is more than 2 years newer than the 7800,adn 2 lines over the 7800GTX.

7800.

7900

8800.

Compare the 2.7 TF 5870 vs the 1.76 TF 7850 and tell me what you found,different hardwares mean different performances.

5870's stream processors are not symmetrical i.e. 4 simple and 1 complex within VLIW5 group. You can't compare Radeon HD VLIW's FLOPs with Radeon HD GCNs.

Even i was wrong current APU on PC..

Now can we stop acting like HSA will be something that you turn on with a driver.?

tormentos

Refer to https://github.com/HSA-Libraries/Bolt

AMD APU Family with AMD Radeon HD Graphics

• A-Series
• C-Series
• E-Series
• E2-Series
• G-Series
• R-Series

AMD Radeon HD Graphics

• 7900 Series (7990, 7970, 7950)
• 7800 Series (7870, 7850)
• 7700 Series (7770, 7750)

AMD Radeon HD Graphics

• 6900 Series (6990, 6970, 6950)
• 6800 Series (6870, 6850)
• 6700 Series (6790 , 6770, 6750)
• 6600 Series (6670)
• 6500 Series (6570)
• 6400 Series (6450)
• 6xxxM Series

Notice only AMD DX11 hardware.

More info on AMD HSA Bolt library from http://www.slideshare.net/hsafoundation/bolt-for-hsa-by-ben-sanders

PS; Only AMD GCN's ISA fully supports HSAIL. The above AMD HSA Bolt library slides has mentioned CPU fallback mode.

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3rd party example with HSA ecosystem http://www.slideshare.net/hsafoundation/what-fabric-engine-can-do-with-hsa

AMD has given beta HSA driver software to certain developers.

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http://fabricengine.com/2012/07/gpu_computation_technology_preview/

This 3rd party app running on beta HSA on Radeon HD 7800.

The AMD HSA technology platform has the goal of providing a heterogeneous computation platform in which both CPU and GPU cores access and manipulate memory identically. HSA will enable complex data structures with pointer indirection to be shared between the CPU and GPU. Not only will no copying of data between different memory spaces be necessary, but the pointers imbedded in a complex data structure will be usable without change on both CPU and GPU cores.

In collaboration with AMD, the Fabric Engine development team has extended the KL compiler and Fabric Engine Core execution environment to support GPU computation on high-end AMD GPUs. The primary means by which this preliminary work was possible was the availability of an LLVM back end for AMD GPU hardware.

The animated scene was run on a workstation with an AMD A10-5800K APU with both integrated graphics and a discrete Radeon HD 7800 card; however, only the discrete card was used for GPU computation and OpenGL rendering for these tests.

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Notice the concurrent HSA compute and OpenGL on discrete Radeon HD 7800. The devs didn't even bother using the IGP in AMD A10-5800K APU.

PS; No copying would be involved when the right work allocation was given to the right processor unit from the beginning or GDDR5 is treated like hUMA with PCI-E bus acting like PS4's CPU I/O bus.

With AMD HSA ecosystem,

1. The CPU can directly access GPU's memory address locations (located in GDDR5 physical space) i.e. PCI-E version 3.0 16 lane (32 GB/s full duplex) acts like "<20GB/s CPU I/O bus" in the PS4. Radeon HD 7800's GDDR5 acts like GDDR5 memory in PS4. Can be treated like a hUMA.

2. GPU can directly access CPU's memory address locations (located in DDR3 physical space) i.e. the reverse of the above process. The DX11.2 tiled resource/AMD PRT would be important to JIT load textures from the larger DDR3 memory pool.

Current AMD Gaming Evolved PC box can be configured to act like PS4. The main physical difference is the non-single chip solution with the PC i.e. the PC hardware is not cheap compared to PS4.

AMD Gaming Evolved PC box act like X1 and PS4.

Btw, AMD Trinity's PCI-E version 2.0 16 lane bus (16 GB/s full duplex) would be lower than "<20 GB/s CPU I/O bus" in PS4.

Radeon HD 7800 is acting like an APU with it's GDDR5 memory and it's connected to an external CPU (connected via PCI-E) i.e. AMD Piledriver dual module is too large to be glued with Radeon HD 7800.

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http://hsafoundation.com/hsa-developer-tools/

"LLVM HSAIL Code Generator"

Not really, no.

A GTX 7800 512 could run Oblivion in 1600x1200 at playlable frames while PS3 could only do 720p. (1280x720)

I suppose with some "optimization magic" the PS4 will eventually produce better-looking games than a HD 7850 in a PC would, but it will take some time for that to happen and by then PC will already be on another level.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="tormentos"]

Both of those GPU are more advance than the 360 and PS3 one,they came latter on as refresh..

IN the 8800GT case is more than 2 years newer than the 7800,adn 2 lines over the 7800GTX.

7800.

7900

8800.

Compare the 2.7 TF 5870 vs the 1.76 TF 7850 and tell me what you found,different hardwares mean different performances.

AM-Gamer

Yes because Windows overhead and being able to code right to the metal means nothing, please STFU ill take JC word over you.

STFU, PC is going to get HSA enabled FrostBite 3 and Unity3D. This is the next generation AMD Gaming Evolved tactics on gimping the competition's hardware i.e. AMD HSA can fall back to CPU only mode i.e. all modern X86-64 CPU supports HSA CPU.

http://semiaccurate.com/2013/07/17/keynotes-for-amd-developer-summit-2013-announced/

You are as dumb as Ronvalencia HSA is a design,without hUMA is not true HSA,so tell me what PC has hUMA now.?

There are more games on consoles been done now in HSA maner,than those on PC which i suspect are zero.

tormentos

The dummy is you. I gave you hints with PCI-E version 3.0 16 lanes being used as "CPU I/O bus" before I'll post a practical example of a HSA enabled PC with a discrete Radeon HD 7800 and no copy process.

Do you have practical programming on AMD HSA?

Your "than those on PC which i suspect are zero" statement is a joke.

Not really, no.

A GTX 7800 512 could run Oblivion in 1600x1200 at playlable frames while PS3 could only do 720p. (1280x720)

I suppose with some "optimization magic" the PS4 will eventually produce better-looking games than a HD 7850 in a PC would, but it will take some time for that to happen and by then PC will already be on another level.

nameless12345

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"][QUOTE="GioVela2010"] I own a PC, i know it sucksGioVela2010

My nan has 2 massive rigs that reach her knees, and?

The dummy is you. I gave you hints with PCI-E version 3.0 16 lanes being used as "CPU I/O bus" before I'll post a practical example of a HSA enabled PC with a discrete Radeon HD 7800 and no copy process.

 

Do you have practical programming on AMD HSA?

 

Your "than those on PC which i suspect are zero" statement is a joke.

 

ronvalencia

the hermits have been mf owned :lol: :lol: :lol: