John Carmack:You need a 3.68 Teraflop GPU to match PS4's GPU

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"]

Just in time textures is way older than GCN.

And that advantage that state there also apply to the PS4 which has even more ram.

So the advantage ram wise should be even bigger,you talk as if PRT was not supported on PS4 stop trying to act like that.

Any advantage in ram usage those GPU get the PS4 wouold also get them,hell even more.

tormentos

AMD GCN done it on per polygon basis and its hardware accelerated (i.e. nearly zero performance cost).

DX11.2's tiled resource has the similar spec as AMD PRT i.e. both has 64KB texture tile and 'etc'.

AMD PRT doesn't change the GPU's potential i.e. it fixes the smaller VRAM pool issue.

AMD PRT can be applied from persistent storage devices e.g. hard disk or Blu-ray, but remember the tile stream size would be smaller from hard disk and Blu-ray sources. ZLib decompression could increase effective tile stream size.

PS; DX11.2 enables the CPU to directly access GPU's memory areas.

Nothing of what you say there prove me wrong.

PRT and JIt compression can be done on PS4 period.

Your not grasping the main reason for PRT's main purpose. Sony's 8 GB GDDR5 is going the opposite of AMD PRT's main purpose and it reduced the value for having PRT.

I didn't say JIT compression can't be done on PS4 i.e. it wouldn't be a zero cost workload.

Console hardware and gfx threads always get more posts and debates.

But when PC makes one, they are elitist dirtbags.

Console loses every gen, and now I think its due to the karma brought on by this extreme hypocricy. 

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

 

you really cant read a goddamn thing, can you? Stop posting random charts to posts that have zero to do with your crap :|

wis3boi

nothing to do with the picture i posted, keep being an irrelevant spammer

I don't really get what the issue is, even if Carmack is correct - who cares?

Just wait 6 months after the consoles are released and then buy a GPU that will blow them out of the water for the next 7 years.

whitey_rolls

That's just it though, he isn't. Past experience on any decently optimized  multiplats multiplats disprove his statement . a nearly comparable gpu to the 360's can run Crysis 2 at the same settings. There is no way consoles have improved this generation. Besides, that tweet is two years old. 

@tormentos, it is in your best interest when I tell you that you would be smart to avoid any tech debate with ronvalencia. 

I think my PC will be able to beat PS4 when it comes to visuals, if not no big deal I can always buy another hd 7950 for around $250-300 or sell it and spend equal amount on a brand new card.redskins26rocs

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] My point is, PC will get its own optimizations.ronvalencia

nothing to do with the picture i posted, keep being an irrelevant spammer

Like I said, you dont read a damn thing anyone posts, you quote random people to spout your irrelevant bull

Why cant we have games that look like this without the shooting part?

I miss Myst and Riven...

ManatuBeard

Try The Witness, it seems to have alot in common with those games!

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

Why cant we have games that look like this without the shooting part?

I miss Myst and Riven...

PAL360

Try The Witness, it seems to have alot in common with those games!

I am getting that! But that is fantasy graphics. I miss realistic 1st person games with some purpose besides shooting things. Love puzzles and adventures games. The enviroment, sound and music of Riven/Myst games were amazing. I could just wander around enjoying the scenery without having to worry with being shot from everywhere.

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

Why cant we have games that look like this without the shooting part?

I miss Myst and Riven...

ManatuBeard

Try The Witness, it seems to have alot in common with those games!

I am getting that! But that is fantasy graphics. I miss realistic 1st person games with some purpose besides shooting things. Love puzzles and adventures games. The enviroment, sound and music of Riven/Myst games were amazing. I could just wander around enjoying the scenery without having to worry with being shot from everywhere.

Yeah, i also loved those games, and other omni 3d point and click games. You have first person adventure games, but now you progress by killing things :P

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Try The Witness, it seems to have alot in common with those games!

PAL360

I am getting that! But that is fantasy graphics. I miss realistic 1st person games with some purpose besides shooting things. Love puzzles and adventures games. The enviroment, sound and music of Riven/Myst games were amazing. I could just wander around enjoying the scenery without having to worry with being shot from everywhere.

Yeah, i also loved those games, and other omni 3d point and click games. You have first person adventure games, but now you progress by killing things :P

LOL

Sadly its true...

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

Why cant we have games that look like this without the shooting part?

I miss Myst and Riven...

ManatuBeard

Try The Witness, it seems to have alot in common with those games!

I am getting that! But that is fantasy graphics. I miss realistic 1st person games with some purpose besides shooting things. Love puzzles and adventures games. The enviroment, sound and music of Riven/Myst games were amazing. I could just wander around enjoying the scenery without having to worry with being shot from everywhere.

Have you played the Penumbra series and it's spiritual successor Amnesia The Dark Descent? Not quite the same thing but fun adventure/horror games with no guns in sight.

[QUOTE="ManatuBeard"]

[QUOTE="PAL360"]

Try The Witness, it seems to have alot in common with those games!

1080pOnly

I am getting that! But that is fantasy graphics. I miss realistic 1st person games with some purpose besides shooting things. Love puzzles and adventures games. The enviroment, sound and music of Riven/Myst games were amazing. I could just wander around enjoying the scenery without having to worry with being shot from everywhere.

Have you played the Penumbra series and it's spiritual successor Amnesia The Dark Descent? Not quite the same thing but fun adventure/horror games with no guns in sight.

Sadly i dont have a pc to play games, only a netbook and a ps3.

My pc broke 3 years ago and i havent bothered to replace it (saving for ps4 + games)

But i remember seeing that game in internet pages. Spooky!

Random pimple faced virgin hermits>>>well established developrtsNonBiasOwnage

Alt account..

[QUOTE="NonBiasOwnage"]Random pimple faced virgin hermits>>>well established developrtsAMD655

Alt account..

[QUOTE="AMD655"]

[QUOTE="NonBiasOwnage"]Random pimple faced virgin hermits>>>well established developrtsNonBiasOwnage

Alt account..

A random guy who made his account yesterday, and knows the full lingo of the forums, definitely an alt account.

Stay mad, as whoever you are, you got owned last time.

[QUOTE="NonBiasOwnage"][QUOTE="AMD655"]

 

Alt account..

AMD655

A random guy who made his account yesterday, and knows the full lingo of the forums, definitely an alt account.

Stay mad, as whoever you are, you got owned last time.

[QUOTE="AMD655"]

[QUOTE="NonBiasOwnage"] Nice lack of rebuttal.NonBiasOwnage

A random guy who made his account yesterday, and knows the full lingo of the forums, definitely an alt account.

Stay mad, as whoever you are, you got owned last time.

Well, you had better watch your face around here then, mods do take note of who they ban you know?

[QUOTE="NonBiasOwnage"][QUOTE="AMD655"]

 

A random guy who made his account yesterday, and knows the full lingo of the forums, definitely an alt account.

 

Stay mad, as whoever you are, you got owned last time.

AMD655

Well, you had better watch your face around here then, mods do take note of who they ban you know?

[QUOTE="Sweenix"]

i own a titan, and my pc is better

Senor_Kami

pc early will own ps4 right now at multiplats  but they start getting sloppy with the multiplat optimizations later on  so u will need to upgrade to more powerful card down the road

pc early will own ps4 right now at multiplats  but they start getting sloppy with the multiplat optimizations later on  so u will need to upgrade to more powerful card down the road

pcgamingowns

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

pc early will own ps4 right now at multiplats  but they start getting sloppy with the multiplat optimizations later on  so u will need to upgrade to more powerful card down the road

04dcarraher

quake 4 ran awesome on my pc and 360 version was dogshit same with call of duty 2

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

pc early will own ps4 right now at multiplats but they start getting sloppy with the multiplat optimizations later on so u will need to upgrade to more powerful card down the road

04dcarraher

NVIDIA's GeForce 8800 GTX started the 185 watt class GPUs and AMD follow it e.g. NVIDIA's GeForce 8800 GTX is the TDP level template for the current PC flagship GPUs.

2012/2013 entry level PC flagship GPUs already stomped on X1/PS4 e.g. the GPUs you mentioned used flagship GPU ASICs.

8800 GT still owns any ps3/360 at multiplats hell even my 8600 gts does crytek are bitches for making crysis 3 direct x 11 only on pc because the console versions are dx9 and open gl its dumb as ****

8800 gt could still run crysis 3 with better graphics than shitty ps3/360

8800 gt could still run crysis 3 with better graphics than shitty ps3/360

pcgamingowns

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw48V03EaVk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU2Y61ZCnUE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XPfnzqix0k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhEcyI_XP2c

8800gt still runs games better than current gen consoles.  My OC'd 7950 which is pushing 4TFlops will do just fine for the PS4's ENTIRE life cycle.  I will only be upgrading because I want to not because I have to.  Consolites don't like to live in reality.  

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

8800 gt could still run crysis 3 with better graphics than shitty ps3/360

NFJSupreme

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw48V03EaVk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU2Y61ZCnUE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XPfnzqix0k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhEcyI_XP2c

8800gt still runs games better than current gen consoles.  My OC'd 7950 which is pushing 4TFlops will do just fine for the PS4's ENTIRE life cycle.  I will only be upgrading because I want to not because I have to.  Consolites don't like to live in reality.  

[QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

8800 gt could still run crysis 3 with better graphics than shitty ps3/360

xboxiphoneps3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw48V03EaVk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU2Y61ZCnUE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XPfnzqix0k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhEcyI_XP2c

8800gt still runs games better than current gen consoles.  My OC'd 7950 which is pushing 4TFlops will do just fine for the PS4's ENTIRE life cycle.  I will only be upgrading because I want to not because I have to.  Consolites don't like to live in reality.  

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"][QUOTE="NFJSupreme"]

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uw48V03EaVk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU2Y61ZCnUE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XPfnzqix0k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhEcyI_XP2c

 

8800gt still runs games better than current gen consoles.  My OC'd 7950 which is pushing 4TFlops will do just fine for the PS4's ENTIRE life cycle.  I will only be upgrading because I want to not because I have to.  Consolites don't like to live in reality.  

pcgamingowns

it doesnt make sense when people claim the 8800 gt plays games much better, but then when they link videos/benchmarks of the 8800 gt, the rig they use has much more ram with different specs and then you dont compare

many devs say consoles get 2x more power when compared to similiary specced pc

try 8800 gt with 256 mb of vram and 256 mb of ram on a windows computer and YOU let me know how it will run? okay ;)

pc's always out spec consoles lol so it doesnt matter nobody's gonna run equal hardware on a pc.

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] that rig has 4 gigs of ram, give it 512 mb of total system memory and watch it not run at allxboxiphoneps3

it doesnt make sense when people claim the 8800 gt plays games much better, but then when they link videos/benchmarks of the 8800 gt, the rig they use has much more ram with different specs and then you dont compare

many devs say consoles get 2x more power when compared to similiary specced pc

try 8800 gt with 256 mb of vram and 256 mb of ram on a windows computer and YOU let me know how it will run? okay ;)

crysis 2 i've played with a 8600 gts 256 mb and 1gb of memory slow loadtime times and hitching but once u enter area and it's loaded up into virtual memory aka hdd it smooths out.

same shit happen with 256 mb ram

pc's dont stream games off a game disk

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"] any modern game can run with 512 mb  still just have hitching pauses

04dcarraher

it doesnt make sense when people claim the 8800 gt plays games much better, but then when they link videos/benchmarks of the 8800 gt, the rig they use has much more ram with different specs and then you dont compare

many devs say consoles get 2x more power when compared to similiary specced pc

try 8800 gt with 256 mb of vram and 256 mb of ram on a windows computer and YOU let me know how it will run? okay ;)

equal spec pc kicks a consoles ass because console always runs lower settings

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] What a load of BS Pc's dont have to stream the data like consoles which is why more memory is used....... just because consoles have to stream in the data in small chunks does not mean they are magically better. strawhatlupi

equal spec pc kicks a consoles ass because console always runs lower settings

pcgamingowns

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] given same primary specs, same application (specifically gaming), and same performance matrix.. it is magically better. consoles are computers too albeit custom design to do a specific thing... gaming. in contrast pc s are expected to do many things. a pc with comparable primary specs as a ps3 will have a hard time running a ps3 game at the same level of quality and performance even if the game is design to run on pc (not emulated) xboxiphoneps3

equal spec pc kicks a consoles ass because console always runs lower settings

pcgamingowns

[QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"]

[QUOTE="strawhatlupi"] people seem to forget that game consoles and their hardware and their performance are designed straight up for.... WAIT FOR IT..... GAMESSSS!!!!!!!!!  [QUOTE="pcgamingowns"]

equal spec pc kicks a consoles ass because console always runs lower settings

pcgamingowns

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] nope.xboxiphoneps3

[QUOTE="pcgamingowns"][QUOTE="xboxiphoneps3"] nope.xboxiphoneps3