JRPG's are not RPG's.

Alright, first of all, I know I'm probably gonna be flamed for this, but whatever. This has really bugged me for a long time. It's like if a game has turn-based combat, leveling and some dialog it's a RPG. This just sounds wrong to me. As of late, anything with leveling and an inventory is automatically a RPG.

When you play a JRPG, you don't define your destiny. I play a role, but I have no control of my character. JRPG's are extremely linear with absolutely no choices and consequences. JRPG's have dialog, but I can't chose what I want my character to say. It's like you're watching a movie (or more like reading a novel) with some turn-based combat. I don't get it. What's so great about this? Let alone what's so RPG about this?

I have a friend who thought (and probably still does) Final Fantasy VII is the best RPG ever, and probably the best game ever. I borrowed it since he couldn't stop talking about it. Also before this I've never in my life touched a JRPG, so FFVII would be my first. So, yeah, I completed it. Did I like it? It was alright. Story was OK, the dialog was weird, gameplay was kinda boring and repetitive (I move 2 steps at a time and have to fight the same monsters over and over, wooh, fun), I thought Cloud was a pretty good character and I liked the art design. But I thought it was melodramatic.

Then about 2 years later I found Fallout. The copy was sitting in a bargain bin in my local video game store, and on the cover it said "Remember Wasteland?" and I was sure I had played it at some point in my youth. I sat down to play it at 9 in the evening, and I didn't even notice I had played it for 6 hours straight. This game was mindblowing to me. This is a RPG! I called the same friend who thought FFVII was the best ever to say I had found a better RPG. He played it for 1 hour and he said "This isn't a RPG... it's a shooter game".

To this day I can't believe he thought Fallout was a shooter! A shooter!!

So, my point is... I'm not criticizing anyone's taste in games, just... don't call it a RPG.

Leveling system is what makes a game an RPG

Literally....I don't know what ur trying to say....

He played it for 1 hour and he said "This isn't a RPG... it's a shooter game".

To this day I can't believe he thought Fallout was a shooter! A shooter!!Spikenenspikspi

The definition of a Role Playing Game is: To assume the role of science fiction characters, wether that be created or preset, and create or follow stories.

With your logic, Dragon Quest one wasn't an RPG because you couldn't decide the outcome of the game.

EDIT: I think what you mean to say is, "I don't like JRPG's much, I prefer WRPG's" There, your whole essay all summed up, your welcome.

Leveling system is what makes a game an RPGf50p90

So, by that logic, Dead Rising is a RPG?

The definition of a Role Playing Game is: To assume the role of science fiction characters, wether that be created or preset, and create or follow stories.

With your logic, Dragon Quest one wasn't an RPG because you couldn't decide the outcome of the game.

Nagidar

This.

The definition of a Role Playing Game is: To assume the role of science fiction characters, wether that be created or preset, and create or follow stories.

With your logic, Dragon Quest one wasn't an RPG because you couldn't decide the outcome of the game.

Nagidar

What makes an RPG an RPG is having a leveling system. That's not an opinion that's a fact in video games.... With that said having a leveling system won't make two games the same. Western and JP devs do things a lot differently, so JRPGs and WRPGs are a lot different, to complete different genres. But they are technically both RPGs

RPGs are about Stats plain and simple. What seperates them from other genres is that your character determines the outcome through use of dialog skill and other skills, not the player.

[QUOTE="f50p90"]Leveling system is what makes a game an RPGSpikenenspikspi

So, by that logic, Dead Rising is a RPG?

[QUOTE="Nagidar"]

The definition of a Role Playing Game is: To assume the role of science fiction characters, wether that be created or preset, and create or follow stories.

With your logic, Dragon Quest one wasn't an RPG because you couldn't decide the outcome of the game.

f50p90

What makes an RPG an RPG is having a leveling system. That's not an opinion that's a fact in video games.... With that said having a leveling system won't make two games the same. Western and JP devs do things a lot differently, so JRPGs and WRPGs are a lot different, to complete different genres. But they are technically both RPGs

No, no, that was just the basic meaning of Role Playing Game, heres the full definition: Link

Okay, I'm not the biggest fan of RPGs but you obviously don't know what one is.starwarsgeek112

Well, alright. What I think a real RPG should have is choices and consequences. JRPG's offer none of that.

[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"]Okay, I'm not the biggest fan of RPGs but you obviously don't know what one is.Spikenenspikspi

Well, alright. What I think a real RPG should have is choices and consequences. JRPG's offer none of that.

[QUOTE="starwarsgeek112"]Okay, I'm not the biggest fan of RPGs but you obviously don't know what one is.Spikenenspikspi

Well, alright. What I think a real RPG should have is choices and consequences. JRPG's offer none of that.

Agreed. JRPG fanboys dont understand this though, they never will.Drukter

and youll never understand that they are, they pretty much define RPG.

i guess NWN2 isnt an RPG, since you have no control of your destiny.

being able to choose, often pointless dialog options doesnt make it not an RPG.

jrpg = rpg

wrpg = first person camra view from an fps game with rpg like elements not really a traditional rpg game like a jrpg.

being able to choose, often pointless dialog options doesnt make it not an RPG.warmaster670

But following a strictly linear story with NO choices does?

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]being able to choose, often pointless dialog options doesnt make it not an RPG.Spikenenspikspi

But following a strictly linear story with NO choices does?

[QUOTE="Spikenenspikspi"]

[QUOTE="warmaster670"]being able to choose, often pointless dialog options doesnt make it not an RPG.f50p90

But following a strictly linear story with NO choices does?

Oh, yeah, sorry. Leveling = RPG. Gotcha.

JRPG's are RPGs.

In fact, they are the original RPG.

There are no other RPGs.

They give you a role to play, and you play it. That's roleplaying. I find other rpg's to be much less rpgishblingchu55

No. You are not supposed to be GIVEN an role, you're supposed to CREATE the role yourself, hence why JRPGs are not RPGs.

[QUOTE="blingchu55"]They give you a role to play, and you play it. That's roleplaying. I find other rpg's to be much less rpgishDrukter

No. You are not supposed to be GIVEN an role, you're supposed to CREATE the role yourself, hence why JRPGs are not RPGs.

You do know that JRPGs were the first RPGs ever released, right?ChrnoTrigger

Sorry, but I lawled

Rpg consist of final boss, important enemy characters with important characters on your side and finding out a lot more about those people. Story eventually ends like all stories do.

Wrpg is go online meet anyone anywhere. endless amount of land to explore with no final boss and no ending. The story is the same every time you play its just in a different location. All you do is explore new areas and fight slightly different enemies each time you play and really your not going any where. The story can't really relate to anyone elses because its always different. Thats what your own life is for.

Hey TC... strangely enough I had a topic about this yesterday, and I said EXACTLY the same thing as you.... JRPG's don't really have anything that even remotely resembles Role-Playing.... to me, JRPG's are more like JSA's (Japanese Story-driven Adventures).....

.... and I"m not a hater.... I love me some JSA's, but RPG's they are NOT!

Wrpg is go online meet anyone anywhere. endless amount of land to explore with no final boss and no ending.

odin2019

Uhh, that's called a MMO.

Hey TC... strangely enough I had a topic about this yesterday, and I said EXACTLY the same thing as you.... JRPG's don't really have anything that even remotely resembles Role-Playing.... to me, JRPG's are more like JSA's (Japanese Story-driven Adventures).....

.... and I"m not a hater.... I love me some JSA's, but RPG's they are NOT!

Veterngamer

Uhh, that's called a MMO.

Spikenenspikspi

which is what 90% of WRPGs are these days anyway.

Hey TC... strangely enough I had a topic about this yesterday, and I said EXACTLY the same thing as you.... JRPG's don't really have anything that even remotely resembles Role-Playing.... to me, JRPG's are more like JSA's (Japanese Story-driven Adventures).....

.... and I"m not a hater.... I love me some JSA's, but RPG's they are NOT!

Veterngamer

[QUOTE="odin2019"]

Wrpg is go online meet anyone anywhere. endless amount of land to explore with no final boss and no ending.

Spikenenspikspi

Uhh, that's called a MMO.

Its a wrpg. It really has no story at all because its the same thing every time you play it. You go to a different location and you fight different enemies and thats it. Its not really a story and its quite predictable. Thats why its labeled by most as cyber crack.

Rpg consist of final boss, important enemy characters with important characters on your side and finding out a lot more about those people. Story eventually ends like all stories do.

Wrpg is go online meet anyone anywhere. endless amount of land to explore with no final boss and no ending. The story is the same every time you play its just in a different location. All you do is explore new areas and fight slightly different enemies each time you play and really your not going any where. The story can't really relate to anyone elses because its always different. Thats what your own life is for.

odin2019

lol..... ahhh man.... ah geez... I'm not even gonna bother. :lol:

Hey TC... strangely enough I had a topic about this yesterday, and I said EXACTLY the same thing as you.... JRPG's don't really have anything that even remotely resembles Role-Playing.... to me, JRPG's are more like JSA's (Japanese Story-driven Adventures).....

.... and I"m not a hater.... I love me some JSA's, but RPG's they are NOT!

Veterngamer

Agreed.

[QUOTE="Spikenenspikspi"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

Wrpg is go online meet anyone anywhere. endless amount of land to explore with no final boss and no ending.

odin2019

Uhh, that's called a MMO.

Its a wrpg.

Do you even know what WRPG means?

WRPGs do play A LOT like MMORPGs except WRPGs feel empty bland and boring because your playing with NPCs and not actual people.

JRPGs tend to have more life and better story driven RPG elements...Yet still, these are all RPGs. I'm not some kind of elitist trying to claim what is and isn't a certain type of game.. *cough* tc

[QUOTE="odin2019"][QUOTE="Spikenenspikspi"][QUOTE="odin2019"]

Wrpg is go online meet anyone anywhere. endless amount of land to explore with no final boss and no ending.

Nagidar

Uhh, that's called a MMO.

Its a wrpg.

Do you even know what WRPG means?

western role playing game or world role playing game.