Just did some number crunching, halo more popular on its system than GT on its

Just did some number crunching using wikipedia

total number of copies of the halo series sold, 15.7 million

total number of xbox and xbox 360 consoles sold, 32.9 million

% ppl who own a microsft console owning a halo game 47.72%

total number of copies of the GT series sold (1,2,3,4 (including prolouge)) 44.74 million

total number of copies of PS and PS2's sold, 238.69 million

% ppl who own a sony console owning a GT game, 18.74%

Its just interesting to see these results when cows claim that GT5 will help save the system but the attach rate of the game is ralatively low when compared to Halo, the game that they scorned before it got a 9.5. What do you guys think

I think you should go play some Halo 3.

Let's prove the attachment rate, shall we?

total number of copies of the halo series sold, 15.7 million

total number of copies of the GT series sold (1,2,3,4 (including prolouge)) 44.74 million

chris_yz80

I think your answer actually lies here.

Well, Halo,Mario,SSBM have among the highest attach rates of any console.

But its simple logic, the larger the install base, the lower the atttach rates will be.

Well, Halo,Mario,SSBM have among the highest attach rates of any console.

But its simple logic, the larger the install base, the lower the atttach rates will be.

whocares4peace

Indeed. I think the question he is answering is what game has the highest percentage of it's specific installed base purchasing it.

lol i knew this would kick up a fuss, u do realise though that the only way u can comapre these things is to work out the % attach rate because the console sales gapis so large.

If u don't agree find a better way to comapre the two "fairly"

In my opinion, attach rate isn't everything, had the xbox sold 100m consoles, how do we know Halo would have sold anymore? Maybe there is only 8m shooter fans around? (that would explain why no shooter game has sold more, to my knowledge)

Even though Halo does have a better attach rate, GT still was more "popular"

^ ok well i respect your opinion but listen to this,

If GT5 came out tommorow and the same attach rate that occured for the other GT games happened within the first 24 hours it would sell about 800k units, not much for a system seller.

i really shoud have stated in my first post that GT5 won't save the PS3 becuase of these reasons. honestly i don't have anything against the GT series, i own GT4 best racing game ever, no doubt that GT5 will be great also but i'm sick of cows saying that GT5, MGS and FF will save the PS3. heres some evidence agianst that statement.

I have heard this argument before and its not a very good one...Halo made Xbox so its bound to be its biggest game also GT has been around since the 90's and is now spread across three consoles

it could be said that Halo is more important to the xbox name than GT to the PS name but can't really make many assertions past that

you can't expect half the people in the world who have owned a PS1 2 and/or 3 to have owned a GT game

In my opinion, attach rate isn't everything, had the xbox sold 100m consoles, how do we know Halo would have sold anymore? Maybe there is only 8m shooter fans around? (that would explain why no shooter game has sold more, to my knowledge)

Even though Halo does have a better attach rate, GT still was more "popular"

user_nat

Indeed. I'm thinking most of the people who want to play Halo have purchased the 360 specifically for that game already.

^ ok well i respect your opinion but listen to this,

If GT5 came out tommorow and the same attach rate that occured for the other GT games happened within the first 24 hours it would sell about 800k units, not much for a system seller.

i really shoud have stated in my first post that GT5 won't save the PS3 becuase of these reasons. honestly i don't have anything against the GT series, i own GT4 best racing game ever, no doubt that GT5 will be great also but i'm sick of cows saying that GT5, MGS and FF will save the PS3. heres some evidence agianst that statement.

chris_yz80

I assume they mean ALL those games will keep the PS3 alive. I don't know why you singled out one game and compared it to Halo to make the point you are trying to make?

another important factor to consider is the number of AAA shooters on the 360 that halo has to compete with and the serious lack of AAA racers on the ps3, if GT5 doesnt have a higher attachment rate than halo 3, well it will staight up fail imo.marklarmer

another important factor to consider is the number of AAA shooters on the 360 that halo has to compete with and the serious lack of AAA racers on the ps3, if GT5 doesnt have a higher attachment rate than halo 3, well it will staight up fail imo.marklarmer

finally someone on my side

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]another important factor to consider is the number of AAA shooters on the 360 that halo has to compete with and the serious lack of AAA racers on the ps3, if GT5 doesnt have a higher attachment rate than halo 3, well it will staight up fail imo.Medjai

ok so your disagreeing with cows and are saying that GT5 wont be a system seller for the PS3 which would in turn mean that you are agreeing with my initial statement

[QUOTE="marklarmer"]another important factor to consider is the number of AAA shooters on the 360 that halo has to compete with and the serious lack of AAA racers on the ps3, if GT5 doesnt have a higher attachment rate than halo 3, well it will staight up fail imo.chris_yz80

finally someone on my side

Well, what is the point you are trying to prove. It is unclear. Is GT better than Halo? GT will fail in sales due to the lack of an installed base of the PS3? GT5 is not a system seller? What is it?

[QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]another important factor to consider is the number of AAA shooters on the 360 that halo has to compete with and the serious lack of AAA racers on the ps3, if GT5 doesnt have a higher attachment rate than halo 3, well it will staight up fail imo.chris_yz80

ok so your disagreeing with cows and are saying that GT5 wont be a system seller for the PS3 which would in turn mean that you are agreeing with my initial statement

i never said it wouldnt be a system seller, just that it should have a higher attachment rate than halo 3 based on the hype cows are giving it and the serious lack of other decent racers on the ps3.

it will be interesting anyway.

[QUOTE="Medjai"][QUOTE="marklarmer"]another important factor to consider is the number of AAA shooters on the 360 that halo has to compete with and the serious lack of AAA racers on the ps3, if GT5 doesnt have a higher attachment rate than halo 3, well it will staight up failimo.chris_yz80

ok so your disagreeing with cows and are saying that GT5 wont be a system seller for the PS3 which would in turn mean that you are agreeing with my initial statement

all I am saying is that Halo is a far more popular game for Xbox than GT is for PS I don't know who could possibly think the other way around...sure GT has sold far more copies overall as a series but up until this point the PS brandhas been alot more popular than xbox...(and out alot longer)

what made PS2 so popular is the culmination of brand recognition and a large quantity of high quality titles not just 1-3 games...

alot of people held off on buying a DC because the PS2 was looming and people didn't even know what an Xbox was...PS2 had a year lead and to counter the launch of Xbox (and GC) had a ton of great titles (FFX, GT3, GTA3, MGS2, Madden plus a ton bolstering titles such as SSX, DMC, Dark Cloud, NBA Street and the list goes on...plus it had a DVD player and at the time that was a big deal as DVD was the format that the generally public saw as a big deal (yes Xbox had one too but you had to buy extra equipment and that didn't sit well with people)...plus Japan sales for it were strong as it launched there even earlier than here

with Wii and 360 going strong and the PS3 faultering even before it was launch its not going to be that way this time around

so to say 1-3 games will save the system is kinda ridiculous

PS3 will finish strong before this gen is said and done (I don't know who will win) but PS3 is not all of a sudden going to have a land slide victory like last gen just because its getting some titles next year

that was alot to type...edited for formatting and sp (GS since the last time the editted their site has done something with the formatting sticks words together and its annoying)

Overall sales are more important than attach rates, always have been and always will be. Lineage isn't suddenly a failure because out of the potential base of lets say...400 million PCs (conservative numbers) its only done 43 million.

Plus theres the fact that with a larger customer base the chances that they will all (or almost all) share the same preferences in games decreases dramatically.

Just did some number crunching using wikipedia

total number of copies of the halo series sold, 15.7 million

total number of xbox and xbox 360 consoles sold, 32.9 million

% ppl who own a microsft console owning a halo game 47.72%

total number of copies of the GT series sold (1,2,3,4 (including prolouge)) 44.74 million

total number of copies of PS and PS2's sold, 238.69 million

% ppl who own a sony console owning a GT game, 18.74%

Its just interesting to see these results when cows claim that GT5 will help save the system but the attach rate of the game is ralatively low when compared to Halo, the game that they scorned before it got a 9.5. What do you guys think

chris_yz80

You don't think that lower attach rate could be due to it being on systems that sold 200 million more do you? FAIL!

So basically if there were 100 of X console and one game sold 100 copies and 100 people played it, it would have an attach rate of 100% beating any game out there making it more popular? :?

Logic fail.

as i said before the only way u can comapre 2 series and say they are system sellers is to use the attach rate, sales do count but when u have over 200 million consoles out there sales should be higher for any game its common sense, however system sellers should sell to a large % of console owners its common sense. i've supplied the numbers and u cows still disagree do u not even see a little logic?

The sad thing is that this thread is now so full of crap (mine included), thats system wars for you

Super mario 64 sold over 12 million copies.

There were 30 million N64s

That is 40%

Not equal to Halo.

SSBM sold 7 million copies.

There were about 21 million GCs sold.

That's 33% attachment rate.

And for your information, there were sold 24 mill Xb 1s. Now there is 11 mill X360s. That is 35 mill, not 32,9. So it is 45%

So from start of N64 era, Halo is best-seller

Super mario world for nes sold 21 million copies. There were 49 million NESs. That is 42%

So Halo has better attachment rate than Nes game too.

BUT! you have done a thing wrong in your math.

If you sum up all mario games from back to NES you get this.

MB1 40 mill

MB2 10 million

MB3 18 million

Mb4 (MW) 20 million

Super mario 64 sold 12 million

Super mario sunshine sold 7 million (abouts)

107 million copies.

Ness 60 mill

Sness 49 million

N64 32 million

GC 20 millon

Equals 66%

Mario overall is clearly the best selling. (Only 1p games included)

Ok, Zelda

Original The legend of Zelda: 7 million

Links adventure: 5 million

A link to the past 5 million

OoT : 7 million (You know what is funny? The other ninty magazine, not NP, didn't give OoT 100/100 but 98 out of 100 :P

MM: 4 million

WW:5 million

TP: 6 million and counting

That is 39 million on consoles... That is only 25% (abouts)

For handhelds:

Links awakening: 6.1 mill (combined for the double release on same handheld)

Oracle of ages/seasons: 4 mill

Four swords: Unkown, so I say 4 mill.

The minish cap about 2 million.

So that is about 16.1 million.

There were sold 118mill GBCs and 80 mill GBAs

That is 8% on handhelds.

Zelda is NOWHERE near Halo and mario in attachment rate.

as i said before the only way u can comapre 2 series and say they are system sellers is to use the attach rate, sales do count but when u have over 200 million consoles out there sales should be higher for any game its common sense, however system sellers should sell to a large % of console owners its common sense. i've supplied the numbers and u cows still disagree do u not even see a little logic?

The sad thing is that this thread is now so full of crap (mine included), thats system wars for you

chris_yz80

So basically if there were 100 of X console and one game sold 100 copies and 100 people played it, it would have an attach rate of 100% beating any game out there making it more popular? :?

Logic fail.

Cedmln

Thank you! I didn't feel like arguing this because the logic is horrible. Thank you to the poster above you also.

Lies, damn lies and fanboys!:roll:

Just did some number crunching using wikipedia

total number of copies of the halo series sold, 15.7 million

total number of xbox and xbox 360 consoles sold, 32.9 million

% ppl who own a microsft console owning a halo game 47.72%

total number of copies of the GT series sold (1,2,3,4 (including prolouge)) 44.74 million

total number of copies of PS and PS2's sold, 238.69 million

% ppl who own a sony console owning a GT game, 18.74%

Its just interesting to see these results when cows claim that GT5 will help save the system but the attach rate of the game is ralatively low when compared to Halo, the game that they scorned before it got a 9.5. What do you guys think

chris_yz80

omg what ownage..

the total number of GT sold is more than xboxs and 360 sold ...