kids getting hold of inappropriate games this is a joke.

It's true though. Violence was never a problem until gaming.

I don't see what the big deal is; why can't developers simply replace all blood/gore with rainbow beams? Don't they care about the children?

its the parents fault...

if they looked closer at the content the kids were getiing it wouldnt be an issue.you'd be surprised how many parents out there are ignorant and just think casue its a game its ok for their kids to play..

It's true though. Violence was never a problem until gaming.

I don't see what the big deal is; why can't developers simply replace all blood/gore with rainbow beams? Don't they care about the children?

-Shrubs-

Well obviously the power of love inherent in rainbows isn't something the evil gaming systems are willing to render. Its a conspiracy to turn the children into sodomites I tell you.

It's true though. Violence was never a problem until gaming.

I don't see what the big deal is; why can't developers simply replace all blood/gore with rainbow beams? Don't they care about the children?

-Shrubs-

lol

lol finally something we agree on, I believe that the people you see on the news immitating violent games clearly have underlying problems not related to gaming or any other scape-goat the news come up with.hongkingkong

yah i think so

its mainly the parents, they dont do the work but they expect others to do so for them.reyad-u

it's true the goverment needs to let people run there own lives and let parents decide whats best.

[QUOTE="reyad-u"]its mainly the parents, they dont do the work but they expect others to do so for them.kingyotoX

it's true the goverment needs to let people run there own lives

Do not want.

The only problem that I have with ratings is that people don't play the game. They watch it. You can't understand a game by just watching it. You must play it to get the full experience.blizzvalve

hmmm....

Games are but a small part in this cycle, you get porno that keep be so easily accessed, you have gangser idols, Paris Hilton slut Idols, you have pretty much every blockbuster film featuring sex scenes, you have an overwhelming choice of Violent action films, and even worse ... films like SAW ... I mean why watcha snuff movie ... seriously .... it corsses a line somewhere.

Games do not represent reality, eveng ames like GTA 4, Television is the biggest hitter, it effects everybodys minds, the way they should act, the way they should be seen by others, how to look down at people for being different....

Gaming Violence is the least of thier bloody worries. Certain things need to be made Taboo again (if thats possibe :lol: ) ... dumbing down the laws on cencorship in Tv/films is ok but games cant?

I'm just sick of hearing parents complain about their young kids being exposed to violent games, when they carry big red 15/18 certificates just like films (in the UK). Its their own fault for allowing them to play these things in the first place, but they call up radio shows and complain to politicians about the industry.

I remember one dad saying his daughter plays Nintendogs and ALL games should be like it. Its like saying every movie should be like Peter Pan or Toy Story, which are great and everything but what about adults with different tastes?

Its not all about Super Mario and friends anymore! Gamers grew up!

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"]

[QUOTE="reyad-u"]its mainly the parents, they dont do the work but they expect others to do so for them.taikthebate

it's true the goverment needs to let people run there own lives

Do not want.

The goverment need to allow Police to beat vandal teens/kids I reckon though :lol:

[QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="kingyotoX"]

[QUOTE="reyad-u"]its mainly the parents, they dont do the work but they expect others to do so for them.Meu2k7

it's true the goverment needs to let people run there own lives

Do not want.

The goverment need to allow Police to beat vandal teens/kids I reckon though :lol:

lmao

[QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="kingyotoX"]

[QUOTE="reyad-u"]its mainly the parents, they dont do the work but they expect others to do so for them.Meu2k7

it's true the goverment needs to let people run there own lives

Do not want.

The goverment need to allow Police to beat vandal teens/kids I reckon though :lol:

It would make YOU TUBE alot more interesting.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="kingyotoX"]

[QUOTE="reyad-u"]its mainly the parents, they dont do the work but they expect others to do so for them.kingyotoX

it's true the goverment needs to let people run there own lives

Do not want.

The goverment need to allow Police to beat vandal teens/kids I reckon though :lol:

lmao

I'm not joking! :D Its bad enough Adults cant restrain children, had a conversation about it witha lecturer before, a guy on his street, had a bunch of teenages jumping on his car (no relation to him whatsoever) ..... all you can do is try adn scare them off ... you cant touch them ... otherwise YOU get arrested ... its just go horrible wrong somewhere ... if kids are little **** then they deserve a good WHACK in the kisser like anyone else :I ... Physical punishment was never meant to be removed.

[QUOTE="Meu2k7"][QUOTE="taikthebate"][QUOTE="kingyotoX"]

[QUOTE="reyad-u"]its mainly the parents, they dont do the work but they expect others to do so for them.taikthebate

it's true the goverment needs to let people run there own lives

Do not want.

The goverment need to allow Police to beat vandal teens/kids I reckon though :lol:

It would make youtube alot more interesting.

YOU TUBE...

YOU TUBE...

kingyotoX

I edited my post ;(

I think the irony here is too much too bear. people attacking esrb and gaming in general trying to pass insane laws when a ten year old kid can go onto a porn site in less than 30 seconds just by pressing an icon saying they are appropriate age. it's ludicrous kids being exposed to porn no big deal but violence in a video is ruining Americas youth it's ridiculous. kingyotoX

No, whats insane is that people think video games actually control someone's actions. Just because someone says ":cry: im sorry I shot him with an RPG I was playing too much COD4 beta and it took over :cry:" doesn't mean its true..but they would just let them go free and say "ban teh video games, dey are teh devils!!!"

Being that I have alot of young cousins and family members, they talk more about shooting someone after watching a movie like, Bad Boys 2 (the gunfight when they're in Jonny Tapia's house) than playing Gears of War. People talked about street racing more after Fast and the Furious than after playing Need for Speed.

But yeah movies don't impact decisions, only video games. :roll: I hate the media with a passion..

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"]

YOU TUBE...

taikthebate

I edited my post ;(

wha???

[QUOTE="kingyotoX"]I think the irony here is too much too bear. people attacking esrb and gaming in general trying to pass insane laws when a ten year old kid can go onto a porn site in less than 30 seconds just by pressing an icon saying they are appropriate age. it's ludicrous kids being exposed to porn no big deal but violence in a video is ruining Americas youth it's ridiculous. xDonRobx

No, whats insane is that people think video games actually control someone's actions. Just because someone says ":cry: im sorry I shot him with an RPG I was playing too much COD4 beta and it took over :cry:" doesn't mean its true..but they would just let them go free and say "ban teh video games, dey are teh devils!!!"

Being that I have alot of young cousins and family members, they talk more about shooting someone after watching a movie like, Bad Boys 2 (the gunfight when they're in Jonny Tapia's house) than playing Gears of War. People talked about street racing more after Fast and the Furious than after playing Need for Speed.

But yeah movies don't impact decisions, only video games. :roll: I hate the media with a passion..

me too

gaming is one of the smallest section in the entertainment industry, so it is easiest to protest against violence in games.elite_ferns1

I think its really up to the parents to deal with it. There is only so many safeguards we can put into effect that will work.

I find it amazing that so many parents apparently are unaware which games are unsuitable for their children. They just buy what the kid wants and pay no attention to the big M in the corner of the cover. And when the people selling the games are clueless, that doesn't help. My friend went to Walmart to buy Metroid Prime 2 when it came out. The lady gave him such a hard time because she was trying to make sure it wasn't an M rated game. She was looking all over the box for the M and failed to see the big T on the cover. Stupid people...MrDziekuje

What's ruining it is the retail stores. Most people buy games from a store including myself and these people just sell games to anyone! I bought Gears last year when I was 15 and no-one batted an eyebrow. Even worse is when i see mothers with young kids buying GTA games blatantly for the child, I'm pretty sure it's still illegal if the product was intened for a minor.

The movie industry on the other hand is treated much more seriously, there's no way I could go to the cinema and watch an 18 rated film or even but an 18 rate DVD. I think its people not taking the issue seriously, combined with people taking it TOO seriously, probably because this busines is still relatively new to most people.

lol at the youtube comment btw :lol:

I'm not joking! :D Its bad enough Adults cant restrain children, had a conversation about it witha lecturer before, a guy on his street, had a bunch of teenages jumping on his car (no relation to him whatsoever) ..... all you can do is try adn scare them off ... you cant touch them ... otherwise YOU get arrested ... its just go horrible wrong somewhere ... if kids are little **** then they deserve a good WHACK in the kisser like anyone else :I ... Physical punishment was never meant to be removed. Meu2k7

That's what I like about being in Scouting. No one complains if you duct-tape someone into their sleeping bag and hoist them up the flag-pole. And if you're a cub counsellor, no one really minds if you pick up the really annoying kids and throw them into the bushes (but actually striking them would be going a little too far).

I find it amazing that so many parents apparently are unaware which games are unsuitable for their children. They just buy what the kid wants and pay no attention to the big M in the corner of the cover. And when the people selling the games are clueless, that doesn't help. My friend went to Walmart to buy Metroid Prime 2 when it came out. The lady gave him such a hard time because she was trying to make sure it wasn't an M rated game. She was looking all over the box for the M and failed to see the big T on the cover. Stupid people...MrDziekuje

Its too bad we can't put in place an IQ test as a requirement for reproduction.

To be fair in this day and age it is much more harder for parents to make sure that children do not get their hands on inappropriate materials. Even if the parent ensures that they do not buy their child any inappropriate games it would not be too hard for the kid to borrow the games from friends. And unless parents are willing and able to sit with their kids during their gaming periods (and take some kind of measure to ensure that they do not play unsupervised) then you can be sure the kid will end up playing games not for their age group.

[QUOTE="MrDziekuje"]I find it amazing that so many parents apparently are unaware which games are unsuitable for their children. They just buy what the kid wants and pay no attention to the big M in the corner of the cover. And when the people selling the games are clueless, that doesn't help. My friend went to Walmart to buy Metroid Prime 2 when it came out. The lady gave him such a hard time because she was trying to make sure it wasn't an M rated game. She was looking all over the box for the M and failed to see the big T on the cover. Stupid people...Runningflame570

Its too bad we can't put in place an IQ test as a requirement for reproduction.

:lol: Move to Russia and suggest it, you'll probably see results o_O Goddam freedom of speech/thought/actions! Fachism ftw! erm, i'm out...:P

To be fair in this day and age it is much more harder for parents to make sure that children do not get their hands on inappropriate materials. Even if the parent ensures that they do not buy their child any inappropriate games it would not be too hard for the kid to borrow the games from friends. And unless parents are willing and able to sit with their kids during their gaming periods (and take some kind of measure to ensure that they do not play unsupervised) then you can be sure the kid will end up playing games not for their age group.

Philmon

This does occur, but its hardly a common thing in my experience. I've borrowed games from somebody maybe twice in my life and neither of them were M-rated titles. The thing parents really need to be doing that can solve the entire issue is to not buy their kids M-rated games (I've seen quite a few people doing so) and to make it known to them they don't approve of them.

That would solve most of the issues right away, but if the parent is a breeder who worships their kid and thinks they can do no wrong (also seen a fair number of them) then they will not have respect and they won't do what they need to be doing.

Parenting is the bottom line here, outside circumstances can affect things but its decidedly less common and more preventable than people tend to imply.

:lol: Move to Russia and suggest it, you'll probably see results o_O Goddam freedom of speech/thought/actions! Fachism ftw! erm, i'm out...:P

O_OdazX_X

Say what you want but lots of the people having kids aren't qualified and/or willing to do what they need to do for their offspring. Thing is lots of us that are qualified have **** to do.

We aren't the ones making teachers not use red ink and pushing friendship circle in place of tag because "that doesn't hurt their self-esteem". Its the freaking breeders who aren't willing to spank their kids at all, give them everything they want, and basically let the kid set the rules instead of the other way around.

While I'm not a strict advocate of corporal punishment or anything I think that used in moderation it can have some benefits and heck you don't even have to use it, you just have to have something more effective than "go sit in your room for the next 30 minutes".

[QUOTE="Philmon"]

To be fair in this day and age it is much more harder for parents to make sure that children do not get their hands on inappropriate materials. Even if the parent ensures that they do not buy their child any inappropriate games it would not be too hard for the kid to borrow the games from friends. And unless parents are willing and able to sit with their kids during their gaming periods (and take some kind of measure to ensure that they do not play unsupervised) then you can be sure the kid will end up playing games not for their age group.

Runningflame570

This does occur, but its hardly a common thing in my experience. I've borrowed games from somebody maybe twice in my life and neither of them were M-rated titles. The thing parents really need to be doing that can solve the entire issue is to not buy their kids M-rated games (I've seen quite a few people doing so) and to make it known to them they don't approve of them.

That would solve most of the issues right away, but if the parent is a breeder who worships their kid and thinks they can do no wrong (also seen a fair number of them) then they will not have respect and they won't do what they need to be doing.

Parenting is the bottom line here, outside circumstances can affect things but its decidedly less common and more preventable than people tend to imply.

It is not as uncommon as you think. I remember when I was a kid, I used to borrow horror (18 Cert) movies from my friends, who "borrowed" it from their older brothers or parents and gave it to me. Now while thiswas not games (this was before PS era, when very few games hadmature content) the principal applies. It is the same argument as children smoking, drinking, having sex or using drugs. While parents do have a certain amount of control, there is a point where outside influences have more influence on the kids than parents. The best parents can hope for is that they have instilled enough of their values that the kids will do the right thing when the time comes.

Should parents make sure that they know what types of games they are buying for their children? Of course. Will that mean that their children wont get their hands on games not meant for them? No. Even if you ensure that your child does not bring any inappropriate materials inside the house somehow, they could still get their hands on it at friends houses.