Killing Floor 2 dev: The X1X is not powerful enough.

@reduc_ab_: Don't even go there. Most of the posters on these forums are anti MS. Including you. Hell no one can post anything anti Sony or Nintendo without MS being brought up.

That's Gigabyte NVIDIA Geforce GTX 1070 G1 Gaming and it's OC's 1822 mhz boost mode yields 6.996 TFLOPS.

http://steamcommunity.com/groups/homestream/discussions/1/540733523386991936/

FPS Counter showing wrong frame rate

First off, I've been testing 1440p and up resolutions with the in home streaming, and I have to say it has been pretty smooth. On to the topic at hand, most games I stream report 58.82 fps on the steam in-home straming client, via the clients UI. I recently started recording the stream with Fraps and decided it would be an interesting comparison between the two fps counters. Fraps reports around 47fps while steam reports 58fps, this is not a big deal or anything, I just wanted to let you guys know about the issue. The games are all still smooth and responsive at 47fps.

Thanks,

Baub

I use MSI Afterburner and NVIDIA's own frame rate counter.

I thought cows didn't care about this? You really are an insecure bunch

4K Ultra settings without NVIDIA Flex and GTX 1070's sub 60 fps. Recorded with a camera without host PC's recording software interference.

Different map with different frame rate results.

GTX 1070 needs more head room for sustained 4K 60 fps for all maps.

Sure did lol.

Super cows like the OP, hairyquacknight, tormented and the like should take a 5 minute break to thank their godny in this thread.

The best part of this thread is the fact that neither most cows nor lems even care about kf2, but will still argue to the death over 4k and framerates.

Newsflash: The 4k/60fps is (has been) still in the oven (without spending more than $500).

PC gamers will let you know when it's done, but I expect you'll still buy into MS/Sony's hype.

"Muh APU!"

Are people so uninformed that they don't know this?

Console gamers.. tech geniuses.

Given similar memory compression, discrete GPU like RX-480/580 with fixed 256 GB/s bandwidth vs super APU like X1X GPU with up to 326 GB/s bandwidth flexible. Atm, X1X is superior to RX-480/580.

The argument between two discrete memory buses vs unified memory bus is the same discrete shaders vs unified shaders.

So? you're basically showing how a GTX1070 is more powerful than a X1X like we have been trying to educate you all this time.

@ronvalencia: Thermodynamics, do you speak it?

Did you watch the video? it's not even 60 fps. hypocrite.

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ps4-pro-enhancements-for-killing-floor-2-detailed/1100-6445106/

"Killing Floor 2's over-the-top gore system has never looked better with persistent blood reflecting the world and characters in high resolution," Hensley explained.

Your video has the following

1. Reflections disabled! PS4 Pro version has reflections! X1X's version missing reflection?

2. Texture Filtering: 4X Anisotropic. This is debatable. Refer to my video with PS4 vs PS4 Pro vs PC comparison.

3. AA's FXAA: disabled. This is debatable. Shader based.

4. Motion Blur: disabled. This is debatable. Shader based.

5. Ambient Occlusion: SSAO since NVIDIA has HBAO+ which is already optimized for NV hardware (Gamework title). Shader based.

X1X version only has four hours work.

Your video has GTX 1070 OC with 6.9 TFLOPS and it didn't over use effects with alpha/transparent effects i.e. as long the memory bandwidth consumption wasn't over committed, GTX 1070 OC's higher TFLOPS still stands.

Let me remind you with the following diagram. You can compare FLOPS only under specific conditions.

AMD's TFLOPS is not the problem i.e. hardware around TFLOPS is bottle-necking the GPU. The above diagrams are double edge sword for pro-X1X and anti-X1X sides.

ARC Survival is based on Unreal Engine 4 which X1X's hardware changes are part of the software profile list while Killing Floor 2 is based on Unreal Engine 3.

why the f didn't phil spencer give this dev the power he wanted for 4k

how are you a true 4k machine if your dropping framess and the dev has to go down to 1800p

All hardware has limits and it's just 4 hours work.

Xbox One's Direct3D doesn't have PC's driver just-in-time re-compiler with optimization injection features for related game engine (Unreal Engine 3) i.e. PC's monthly driver download from AMD and NVIDIA.

On consoles, it's game developer's job to optimize their game.

System Wars is a collection of monkeys with learning disabilities.

They could probably run it if they capped it at 30 fps, but Tripwire is a dev that believes 60 fps should always be the target.

Microsoft said: "We made a 4K capable machine, but devs can decide what to do with that power". Not sure why cows have a difficulty with this? Is it because "capable" has 3 syllables? I can dumb it down for you guys if you want

Cognitive Dissonance:

Cognitive dissonance refers to a situation involving conflicting attitudes, beliefs or behaviors. This produces a feeling of discomfort leading to an alteration in one of the attitudes, beliefs or behaviors to reduce the discomfort and restore balance etc.

Boy, you're just running in circles attempting to explain why they cant do something everyone knew they could not do (at a reasonable price point).

It's still running in native 4k which is much better than native 1800p on the X1X. So again, you're purposely leaving out facts just to hide your cluelessness but you're not so smart to do that kid.

I'm pretty sure the ones who had difficulty with that were lemmings since they made outrageous claims for a whole year that they can't back up now. Now they're eating crow, too bad, but you rip what you saw. Cows are just having the expected fun, is not like lemmings weren't warned about overhyping yet again a MS marketing campaign full of BS and exaggerations.

There isn't any eating crow from lems... Microsoft delivered EXACTLY what they promised. The most powerful console in the world, capable of 4K. Keep salty though...

No they promised a True4k machine? Where is the True4k? Dynamic 4k is not True4k, checkerboard is not True4k. That they changed the narrative afterwards doesn't change the fact that they kept talking about True4k and implying the Pro was not True4k when in fact both use similar techniques to achieve 4k rendering. Also lemmings promised Ryzen CPU, where is it? they promised GTX 1080 or GTX1070 level of performance, where is it? They promised that a majority of games will be native 4k and until now there's 1 confirmed, so where are they? I'm sorry but lemmings can't now pretend that a year of spilling BS can go unnoticed. Good luck with that.

By the way lemmings have also promised that DX12 was going to make a significant difference and that teh Cloud was going to be a game changer and that MS first party would shine on E3 and etc etc. Where are all those things. Lemmings should stop living in their imaginary future and start living in the present real world if they don't want to keep getting owned. Just a tip.

Microsoft statements:

• 4K capable machine: True
• Devs can use the power anyway they want: True
• Cows will be REKT: True

Devs decide what they want to do with it. A 12TF console could also not run in native 4K because the devs decide to use that power for image quality.

You know Sony said the EXACT SAME THING right? That didn't stop lemmings for making fun of the Pro for the last year.

Microsoft statements:

-True4k machine: False

I'm sorry but the blog MS wrote where they clarified all of the above came a bit too late, they had already spilled so much BS for a year and many lemmings haven't yet gotten the memo so making fun of them comes naturally.

Are you going to be butthurt for the next three years? LOL

Owning lemmings more likely. It wouldn't surprise me they will still think it is equivalent to the 1070 in 3 years actually so there will be a lot of material to work with.

Good to see you don't have any proof, and your only argument is how you perceive what Microsoft is saying what True4K should mean... Nice one, but Microsoft made promises, and delivered. Cows are the only ones that can't seem to keep up.

Microsoft said devs can decide what they do with that power, they didn't want to take creativity away from the developers.

@FastRobby: "Microsoft is saying what True4K should mean"

Actually there is a technical definition of True4k, so what MS says True4k "should mean" is worthless. You can't just change the definition of technical terms for your marketing BS and then decide what they actually mean months later like MS did. It's still shady.

"Microsoft made promises, and delivered."

Like I said too little, too late. The promises you mentioned came on a blog that was published way after the True4k claims. So they still were lying in their campaign and adjusted it when they knew people were going to start questioning their True4k claims. And all the proof in the world is there just look at the dates. Also, even if what MS promises now is true there are many lemmings out there who are refusing to learn so they should be educated.

Lems in this thread so far....

You didn't highlight the most important part that frame rate still drops at 1800p. That is no where near a true 4k console. Ron...for once just admit like everyone has stated that we all knew there was no way with that price point that it was going to do like it stated it was going to do.

True4K just means capable of outputting in 4K, which is what the OneX is able to do...

The promises I mentioned were before they even used the term True4K... Immediately after E3 2016, Spencer said that developers can do what they want with the power. He always said that if a game is able to run 1080p 30fps on OneS, then the OneX is able to run it native in 4K 30fps.

@FastRobby: "True4K just means capable of outputting in 4K"

No the technical term is different. Why would you say TRUE 4k if all you can say is 4k? Now you're being dishonest, figures... What would be Faux 4k then? and why did lems keep saying then that the Pro was Faux4k if it achieves 4k exactly like the X1X. Lems are a bunch of hypocrites and they haven't stopped spinning terms this whole gen be it 4k or exclusives. The word True is significant here because it implies you're talking about the technical native 4k.

Like here for example: https://www.engadget.com/2017/04/06/microsoft-project-scorpio-xbox-specs-reveal/

""True" 4K gaming is tricky, and the PS4 Pro isn't capable of pulling it off. (Instead, it uses an upscaling technique to leverage all of those extra pixels on your TV.)"

So first, Microsoft uses the term 4k to merchandise their product above of Sony and when it shows up that they're using the same techniques as Sony they suddenly change the definition of True 4k. That's the dictionary definition of hypocrisy.

Here is the hypocrite of Spencer calling the Pro NOT a true 4k console so he was referring to something else 4k before we found out the X1X is using other techniques as the Pro.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/13/15790162/microsoft-phil-spencer-xbox-one-x-vs-ps4-pro-interview

More marketing BS

http://www.valuewalk.com/2016/11/xbox-project-scorpio-4k-gaming/

Thank you MS for Mighty X1X and causing massive mountains of salt. The Salt is real baby, good stuff. lol :P

@pinkanimal: Like I said, the OneX IS capable of True4K, and then I mean your True4K - Native 4K definition. Microsoft hasn't been lying, the developers just use the power for something else... Is that Microsoft's fault?

In that case the Pro is also capable of True 4k. In fact it has more True 4k games now than those confirmed for the X1X. So why was that hypocrite of Spencer and lemmings claiming the Pro is not a True 4k machine and the X1X is?

After making it to page 3, it has become very clear to me that 4K has taking over console gamers out of there minds when it comes to greater power. 4K shouldn't be the primary target for this gen, stable framerates should have been the focus and Xbox One X miss that target.

Instead of letting the Xbox One X speak for itself. Lems here hyped it as the second coming of Jesus. Now that more than one dev has their hands on it and Digital Foundry is able to count source video, the Xbox One X is missing the mark set by Lems hype. This is why you temper expectations and look at things with a level head. Lems lives would be so much easier right now if the narrative was just "the Xbox One X is better than the PS4 Pro." Instead, Lems went after high end GPUs and are quoted as "expecting the majority of Xbox One X games to run native 4K/60."

You can't run to the "well it's better than the PS4 Pro" defense now. Not after the past few months. You all have to own this. You did it to yourselves.

Because the OneX is much more powerful than the Pro, and will give you much better visuals... It's much easier to go to 4K on the OneX than on the Pro, still devs decide not to, that's not really Spencer's fault.

But but they told me it's a 1070 console monster machine that can play 4K/60fps games!

Yeah right, I saw that BS statement from a mile away when they said that shit and no way it's gonna be on the same level as 1070. Even PC gamers like me already knew this all BS from the gek-go, Lems really jump the hype train way too early. They might as well just shut up and wait until Xbox One X is release.

Don't get me wrong, I think X1X is okay for what it provides, Lems shouldn't be taking this seriously and this is NOT a next-gen console, this is an upgrade console were talking about here.

Oh so now you're redefining True4k to mean "better 4k than the Pro". Why do I expect less hypocrisy from a lemming? Gosh...

Yeah all the xbox one x reminds me of those premium chicken sandwiches at mcdonalds....most people won't be able to tell the difference or care if its little better and cost more most will go with the 1 dollar regular chicken sandwich with the mayo and lettuce

its not FINE DINING like PC gaming its still trash fast food if you catch my drift.

I'm not redefining anything... So because the OneX doesn't run EVERY game natively in 4K it's not a True 4K console? What does that make the PS4? OneX is capable of 4K hence the True 4K, devs choose to use the power for something else, their choice.

I agree with this.

I think it was/is a mistake for Sony and MS to go after 4K, especially since not even PC is doing it consistently at a reasonable cost.

They should be pushing for higher framerates like you said, something that has more of a tangible effect on gameplay.

1080p is fine for a console.

As I have said many times, i rarely play at anything higher than 1440p with a GTX1080 because i prefer the higher framerates and max settings.

I only push 4K as a last resort if i have already maxed my game and have GPU to spare.

@FastRobby: "So because the PS4 Pro doesn't run EVERY game natively in 4K it's not a True 4K console? PS4 Pro is capable of 4K hence the True 4K, devs choose to use the power for something else, their choice."

The exact same quote you just said applies exactly the same to the PS4 Pro. So again I ask hypocrite lemming, why did Spencer and lemming have been calling the Pro a non True4k console for a year now? Come on, man up and accept you're being hypocritical is not the end of the world. If the X1X is True 4k then the Pro is True 4k by your True 4k and MS True 4k definition, as simple as that.

You don't care about performance hypocrite what are you doing in this thread.?

Remember there is no difference between 720p and 1080p and is minimal,for you lemms 100% gaps in pixels is nothing so please stop riding scorpio since you have no care about having the inferior version for close to 4 years,in fact the most powerful console ever release still is the PS4 and you don't care..lol

The PS4 is more than 40% superior over the XBO and you didn't care,in fact you ran quite allot of damage control for it.

Tomb Raider.

MGS5

Pes

COD Ghost

Doom

Sniper Elite 3

And many others prove so.

Still the most powerful console then, also the game will be running on higher settings ofcourse. Cows still crying because they lost their beloved spot?

They never say the xbox one X would have ultra setting they say ultra textures which even the Pro can do on that game,worse the xbox one X has to be downgrade to 1800p because the frame drops are to SIGNIFICANT That means it would probably run way under 30FPS which the 1070GTX doesn't do.

So at lower settings than the 1070GTX the XBO X can't hit 4k let alone have ultra everything at 4k,so expect plenty of frame drops even at 1800p which clearly shows the xbox one X isn't a 1070GTX level GPU.

We have been telling you this for a long time but you never listen..lol

You mean like MS hiked the Price from $50 to $60 as well? Or how they have been charging since 2002 when sony started to charge in 2013? 11 years after MS did.

So before crying about a price hike,please remember how for 11 years sony gave free online play with more games on dedicated servers than MS free while you were been milked for P2P by MS.

Online fee's in one thing lemmings should not talk about MS invented them on this market..lol

Oh is the CPU that is to weak and is already showing it can't drive 4k at 60FPS so the game drops to hell and has to be lower resolution wise...Hahahaa

Isn't that what you lemmings use to say about any game on PS4 that dropped frames,that it was the CPU.?

Hahahahahahaaha

Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.... You are so full of shit...

Now true 4k means capable of outputting 4k....Hahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

True 4k means 2160p no compromises like they claim,Dynamic resolution,1800p upscale to 4k,and checkerboard rendering are compromises.

MS lied and still do they try to sell the XBO X as a true 4k machine over the Pro,but then make an example of what 4k means for them dynamic,checkerboard and true 2160p which is exactly the same crap the PS4 Pro is doing and what lemmings ave been attacking since before the Pro came out.

From the moment checkerboard was confirmed you lemmings attack it,and claim Scorpio would be a true 4k machine running on MS PR promises that like always fail.

Just like they claim on 2013 that xbox one games and PS4 games would look the same. lol