Killing Floor 2 dev: The X1X is not powerful enough.

I doubt lems are humiliated if the X1X is better than the Pro. It succeeds where the Pro fails. X1X is a console and going against other consoles. Not getting the overhype part though if their version of games are still superior than the console competition.

@endofaugust: Nah, no one cares about my input. I guess that's why this thread is six pages long. Dude, you always do the same thing. "I don't care I don't care I don't care".......and in the meantime you keep coming back again, and again, and again, and.....

@gamecubepad: There are probably a dozen or more threads about devs stating that their game will not be running at native 4k on the X1X. That is the whole point. It is also the point that makes lems the craziest. You guys have no way of disputing it. According to the evidence thus far, including the evidence that is the basis for this thread, the X1X is simply not powerful enough to reliably produce 4k. Facts hurt.

Now go ahead and post some more Hulk gifs or whatever superhero you think you are. It's not going to change the facts stated above. Though I know you wish it could.

@reduc_ab_: You've been owned multiple times in this thread. It's a bit sad really. You must be a gluten for punishment.

Lemmings are in a state of denial. They claim as "proof" that MS never lied calling the 1X an uncompromised true 4k machine just because they said that developers can do whatever they want with the power. So they're effectively pre-damage controlling anything that happens with the 1X, even if 99% of the games don't achieve native 4k they'll claim is because the devs didn't want to. Well, if they claim this for the 1X I guess it is true for the Pro too:

https://www.playstation.com/en-gb/get-help/help-library/system---hardware/sound---screen/ps4-pro--4k-gaming/

"Whether a game is released in 4K is down to the developer, as they can develop a title in 4K or add a patch. Whether a developer decides on 4K depends on what they choose to use the PS4 Pro system’s extra power for; to add frames for smoother gameplay or add pixels for smoother graphics."

So, according to lemmings' reasoning the PS4 PRO is an UNCOMPROMISED TRUE 4K machine! Hail the king Sony! lol

the PlayStation 4 Pro as a device is sparsely capable of rendering games in native 4K, it's a capability problem of the hardware throughput and to make up for it developers are forced to lower their resolution and implement checkerboarding and the like. the Xbox One X is a different situation, in most games native 4K is absolutely possible, the throughput capability of the hardware is there but instead some developers are targeting higher end PC level graphical settings instead of native 4K with console settings. it's not that they couldn't do native 4K, they're choosing not to so they can ramp up the graphical fidelity.

PS4 Pro doesn't really offer a choice in direction for development, Xbox One X does

@endofaugust: "in most games native 4K is absolutely possible"

This is not proven at all yet. There's a grand total of 1 game only (Forza) that is confirmed running at full native 4k. Anything after that is pure speculation and, in fact, most developers that have spoken have come forward to say that full native 4k is not going to happen. Also if the matter is only of achieving native 4k no matter what yes, the PS4 Pro is also capable with sacrifices. You telling me that devs with Pro are "forced" while on 1X they are "choosing" is pure fanboyish interpretation. It's the same, developers choose where to focus on. Yes, the 1X is a more powerful machine and, as such, will be capable of achieving native 4k on more titles but the differences are hardly so big to make this a huge amount I would say. If one is forced both are forced, if one is chosen then both are chosen. Playing semantic games won't change that.

Huh. And here I thought I was gluten-free.

You mean like you did before with the PS4 Pro?

You're the king of the clowns lemming

And that's the gist of it. Lems come in here, and in threads like these in general, and claim "ownage this, ownage that", when in reality their precious new console has one (1), single, solitary game that is confirmed to run at actual "true" 4k. One game. On their "true 4k console without compromise". And a racing game on top of that.

Bottom line, they hyped this thing up to the moon and back and now they're hurting. Plain and simple.

How are they A) hurting when it hasn't release B) Is doing what MS said with regards to 3rd party devs C) Will be the most powerful console on the planet by a big margine D) Will have the best console multiplats PERIOD?

Explain how any of that adds up to hurting lems. I CAN see how it == hurt cows and you cows are proving the point with all the butthurt threads and responses. There is literally NOTHING for you to be happy about here. Your only hope is an updated Pro or the PS5.

How are they hurting? Simple: the X1X cannot reliably run 4k, yet reliably running 4k was all we heard on this forum from lems for a year.

What's under the hood proves it. That's the evidence.

Ex-lem now lem again !!! Shhh ! Your precious system this generation is PS4 as we speak, we all know that. You know youll be playing with your PS4/PRO way more than your X1X. You hypie/hypo show us your true colors.

@metalslimenite Ill teach you right now noob! Watch and learn

Nope. Games actually looking better would prove it. As of now it looks like games will run the same on both.

Exactly, lemmings have been hyping this machine to be on the level of very high end PCs. Truth of the matter is that the results in most practical cases will look pretty similar to the Pro and play similar too no matter the technique used. Both machines are capable of 4k but developers will choose when to use it where and how, it makes sense that devs will chose similar approaches for most games on both machines. Lemmings, after spending three years "not caring" about performance they suddenly think not so big differences as these are the most important thing in gaming. Lemmings will still have to compete with Sony exclusives which always look stunning even when compared next to better technical achievements on PCs (Horizon) meanwhile the Xbox still be with the worse gaming library of this gen by a large margin, and showcasing games like Crackdown 3 (at least the last videos shown) is honestly nothing to brag about. The 1X is not exactly the indisputable victory they were expecting and it's more expensive on top of all that.

You don't get to decide what evidence is lol. That's like saying, oh give me evidence that 64bits is more powerful than 32bit! I want evidence dammit!

GTFO

It is an actual, factual, self evident improvement on all previous console tech.

@kuu2 said:

@pinkanimal said:

@kuu2 said:

When a dev actually states their game doesn't run in 4K the Cows are all over it.

When a dev does state their game runs in 4K the Cows say they didn't say "native" and its not 4K.

Sony Fan continue to be the clowns of SW.

You mean like you did before with the PS4 Pro?

You're the king of the clowns lemming

ProFauxK fans have FauxUserNames as well.

Is anything real or to be taken seriously from Sony Fan?

*shrugs* Screenshots don't lie lem, your clownish and hypocritical behavior is easy to point out.

REKT

How many games have released on it so far? Will the games runs and look better than it's Pro counter parts? Were lems not reiterating what MS said about allowing devs to decide what to do with the power? I fail to see how they're hurting.

Nope. It's a $100 more expensive PS4 Pro.

Oh come on dude, we all know you're a massive cow but there is NO dispute about power.

@reduc_ab_: Microsoft now has Xbots believing "dynamic 4k" is native 4k. It's amazing how thing console is imploding before it's even released. So much hype leads to disappointment. I guess that's why I don't and never did think the Pro was anything other than what it claims to be. I believe their webpage even says "dynamic 4k". Someday soon people will realize native 4k is a waste of system resources for the hardware we have out now.

@kingtito: The original Xbox was the world's most powerful console... How'd sales reflect that? 24 million sold to 155 million ps2s, which had half the power.

How does that have anything to do with what I said? Did I say it would sell the most? Do I even care about sales? Come on cow, don't but into a conversation until you understand what the conversation is about.

@kingtito: It was a fact that the OG Xbox was the world's most powerful console at the time. No, sales don't take away that fact, but that fact doesn't sell consoles either. I'm adding to your comment. The World's Most Powerful Console EVER Made is the dumbest selling line I've heard in a long time.

In other news, an airplane is just a more expensive car.

Lol you accuse people of going about setting things "on fire" when you're one of the biggest trolls in this site.

Case in point, the exact same arguments cows are using now and you're crying about you were using them against the Pro:

Don't be a hypocrite.

I'm still trying to figure out who's alt it is... Quacknight maybe?

lol @ legitimate user

@hrt_rulz01:

It's either Quacknut, I Can Haz, or Dakur.

Probably all 3 are the same butthurt Emo Rekt COWards.

Fucking alts

Possibly but quack doesn't really respond without posting a ton of gifs. Pink seems to refrain from such tactics. Could be quack trying to throw people off but something about his responses sounds like dakur.

Lmao. Yeah I forgot about dakur. I thought we were finally rid of his nonsense... :(

I just don't think quack could post longer than 2 replies without posting tons of gifs or repeating "you mad" because he has no comebacks.

@kingtito: Lmao... so true.

Very high end PC goes beyond 60 fps when it's not GPU bound (e.g. 144 fps, for superior competitive multiplayer) and different game-play simulation level e.g. large scale RTS and accurate simulator exclusives.

Real Hermits wouldn't see X1X as a threat to high end gaming PCs.

X1X is just year 2017 mid-range gaming PC with about half the TFLOPS from GTX 1080 Ti FE's 12.9 TFLOPS (NVIDIA's stealth overclock mode with 1800 Mhz).

At the time, it didn't matter if the Original Xbox was powerful then PS2, Xbox was still brand new to the gaming world at the time and PS2 had been release first before it showed up and not only that, Xbox was release 3 days ahead of Gamecube. Gamers already know both Sony & Nintendo, MS Xbox was a stranger to gamers so it's no wonder the console sold poor but not in a bad way, Xbox gave us Halo, Forza, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, Fable and most of all, it push online gaming AKA XBL.

At the end, Xbox was the new kid on the block and PS2 already dominate the market due to it's awesome exclusive games and the first console to include DVD drive cause DVD's were still a thing.

Edit: In truth, being powerful doesn't mean nothing if you don't have the exclusive games to back up the console.

Stop talking crap mad cow.

Devs for Fallout 4 already stated full 4K for X1X while 1440p for POS Pro.

You have your own fanboyish interpretation hypocrite.

so 2 games at 4k?

You're an idiot Ron, it's time you start figuring that out. There's a reason why your predictions are 100% of the times off. You're a clueless as they get.

You misspelled FauxK

You're an mad cow Pinkanimal, It's time for you to figure it out.

You just chase marketing marketing labels not what's inside the chip's design elements.

If AMD claims Project Scorpio has some association with Ryzen with greater than 12 percent CPU overclock results from PS4 Pro's version, then who are you? You are not from AMD.

Pinkmadcow is wrong again.